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Will Arsenal throw it away?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    LOL. The squad that many were predicting to finish outside the top 4 can somehow 'throw it away'.

    This Arsenal squad are punching above their weight and the strain is beginning to show.

    If anyone's thrown anything away it's Chelsea and Abramovich. Sack one of the best managers in the league and then finish third with the most ridiculously expensive squad ever. That said, they still could win.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,398 ✭✭✭MIN2511


    United supporter here, i have to say Gallas is a disappoitment for a captain. His inability to control his temper and control his actions makes me wonder why was he chosen as captain after Henry?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    MIN2511 wrote: »
    United supporter here, i have to say Gallas is a disappoitment for a keeper. His inability to control his temper and control his actions makes me wonder why was he chosen as captain after Henry?

    Cause he scored a goal with his c*ck once!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,530 ✭✭✭Fuzzy_Dunlop


    MIN2511 wrote: »
    United supporter here, i have to say Gallas is a disappoitment for a keeper. His inability to control his temper and control his actions makes me wonder why was he chosen as captain after Henry?

    Yeah to be honest his ability as a keeper hasn't impressed me one bit either:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,398 ✭✭✭MIN2511


    playa3 wrote: »
    Yeah to be honest his ability as a keeper hasn't impressed me one bit either:D

    My apologies.. captain :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    I think Gallas was an inspired choice for captain. He combined what Arsenal were missing with what Arsenal have. He plays a lovely game, great all round footballer, but cares about winning more than anything else. Was exactly what Arsenal needed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Yup. Chelsea are gonna win it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Stupid thread. It was never theirs to throw away in the first place. And key injuries isnt helping either.

    Arsenal and Chelsea have had their fair share of injuries this season, while united have gotten away with it but saying that they have a better squad in terms of quality then Arsenal.

    Its still all to play for but when the dust settles come may one just has to look at the costs of the squads and you will see that Arsenal's is a fraction of united's and chelsea. Even at this stage competing for the league title is an acheivment of sorts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Nunu


    jank wrote: »
    Stupid thread. It was never theirs to throw away in the first place. And key injuries isnt helping either.

    Arsenal and Chelsea have had their fair share of injuries this season, while united have gotten away with it but saying that they have a better squad in terms of quality then Arsenal.

    Its still all to play for but when the dust settles come may one just has to look at the costs of the squads and you will see that Arsenal's is a fraction of united's and chelsea. Even at this stage competing for the league title is an acheivment of sorts.

    I can't see how Utd have got away with it? ..as you say they have a better squad that's all.

    Utd have missed Neville, Silvestre, Scholes, Park, Hargreaves, Rooney and Saha for prolonged spells this season....and VDS for 4 league games over the crucial Christmas period.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 609 ✭✭✭Dubit10


    Yup. Chelsea are gonna win it.

    Cant say id like to see it but id have to agree.They have not played well at all this year in general but will be a couple of points off the lead if they win there game in hand.Compare that to United and arsenal who have played to the height of there abilitys and have failed to open up a big gap on them.I still think that Chelsea have the best squad in the league by some distance and can go out and outspend any team on the planet this summer :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭Nailz


    Nunu wrote: »
    I can't see how Utd have got away with it? ..as you say they have a better squad that's all.

    Utd have missed Neville, Silvestre, Scholes, Park, Rooney and Saha for prolonged spells this season....and VDS for 4 league games over the crucial Christmas period.
    I have to add Pique, Hargreaves & Foster to that list aswell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Every squad has had injuries, indeed Liverpool have probably had the least of the top 4, but now they are suffering one kinda in defence.

    United haven't played anywhere near their abilities this year. There was a shocking period at the start of the year where we dropped a ****load of points, and have been playing catch up ever since. Realising I'm sounding like a Liverpool fan, but if the league had started in mid September, we'd be well ahead. United are really only coming to form in the last month or two to be honest, which is fine. But to suggest that they've played to their heights and that Chelsea haven't is just silly, especially since United were much better last year, and they have only added to their squad. Indeed, the way its going, after the additions in the summer, this years league performance has been a disappointment. But that was because we had an injury crisis in the weakest area of our squad, up front. Pretty much every time we've dropped points we shouldn't have has been due to either Rooney or Saha missing, or Saha being played when he wasn't fit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Ruskie4Rent


    Last 10 games:
    Chelsea
    Man Utd
    Arsenal

    Der (H)
    Sun (A)
    Der (A)
    Wig (A)
    Tott (A)
    Bol (H)
    Midd (H)
    Arse (H)
    Liv (H)
    Chel (A)
    Midd (H)
    Ast (H)
    Bol (A)
    Man.C (A)
    Midd (A)
    Liv (H)
    Wig (H)
    Arse (H)
    Man.U (A)
    Eve (A)
    Blac (A)
    Read (H)
    Man.U (H)
    Chel (A)
    Der (A)
    New (A)
    WHU (H)
    Eve (H)
    Bol (H)
    Wig (A)
    Sun (A)
    This is not arsenal's to throw away. Looking at these remaining games, chelsea have the easier run in IMO.
    Neither man u or arsenal will win all their remaining games and united have a particularly difficult run of hard games from the Liverpool tie to the Chelsea one.
    I can definietly see it going to the final game, and with all 3 playin teams that could be playing for their survival, it will be very very exciting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    its not arsenals to throw away....they were 5 points clear, so what, united dropped 5 points in a week, they dropped 4 points this week, thats what happens. both teams are neck and neck and arsenal have had alot of luck so far this season to still be one point ahead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,398 ✭✭✭MIN2511


    There is still a few weeks in the premiership to go, it would be interesting to see who wins.. Personally i hope Man Utd


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    smemon wrote: »
    Well i always thought arsenal were punching above their weight...

    Can't say I agree. I saw all of Arsenal home games last season and where we did drop points I left thinking how the hell did we not win that and for games we won,left thinking how we did not score more. Then I would watch MOTD and read the reports and was left thinking did they see the same game. What we lacked last season was a bit of luck in front of goal and we were a bit fragile. I got 12/1 at the start of the season, I really could not believe those odds. We are going through a bit of a rough patch at the moment, we are still top at the moment and I still believe both Arsenal and Utd will still drop points, we have RVP to come back and Rosicky which will be a huge boost for the run in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,176 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    Very true that

    I couldn't believe how many chances Arsenal missed last season. You were always stung by the opposition taking an early lead as well.

    Thought the same was going to happen this season when Fulham took a very early lead first game of the season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,485 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    PHB wrote: »
    Every squad has had injuries, indeed Liverpool have probably had the least of the top 4, but now they are suffering one kinda in defence.

    United haven't played anywhere near their abilities this year. There was a shocking period at the start of the year where we dropped a ****load of points, and have been playing catch up ever since. Realising I'm sounding like a Liverpool fan, but if the league had started in mid September, we'd be well ahead. United are really only coming to form in the last month or two to be honest, which is fine. But to suggest that they've played to their heights and that Chelsea haven't is just silly, especially since United were much better last year, and they have only added to their squad. Indeed, the way its going, after the additions in the summer, this years league performance has been a disappointment. But that was because we had an injury crisis in the weakest area of our squad, up front. Pretty much every time we've dropped points we shouldn't have has been due to either Rooney or Saha missing, or Saha being played when he wasn't fit.

    2006/07
    Pl:28 W:22 D:3 L:3 F:60 A:23 Pt:69

    2007/08
    Pl:28 W:20 D:4 L:4 F:58 A:15 Pt:64

    i wouldn't say Man Utd are playing that more worse than last year, they have only scored 2 goals less than this time last year and conceded nearly 50% less, yes they have drawn and lost one more game but it ain't no crisis

    will do Chelsea's comparison when i get a chance :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    United will win it I reckon. Arsenal haven't got the bottle for the run-in as witnessed by Gallas' strop after Birmingham nicked a point. Since their FA Cup defeat the team have been very poor. Have they even won a game since then?

    As for Chelsea, judging by the reports of unrest within their ranks, I don't think they have the spirit required for the final charge which they had under Mourinho.

    If United can avoid key injuries - unlike Arsenal with Eduardo - then I believe they will clinch the title as they seem to have the greater spirit and bottle in my opinion. I believe it will be close though between Man U and Arsenal. I reckon Chelsea will quietly slip out of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,398 ✭✭✭MIN2511


    I have to say i have respect for Avram, when Jose left it seemed Chelsea would never survive without him. Expecting him to bring a cup home in this season is a bit too ambitious imo. Watch out for next year though........


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭iregk


    I always love that line from the liverpool fans. If only the league started here. Well guess what lads its a league, winners are good throughout not just for a few months of it.

    On topic watching the Arsenal Brum game myself and a mate said together at the end they ain't winning the league. I said a few months back Arsenal are great but I'd be interested to see how the young talent handles the pressure come march - may. This is where you need your most experienced and indeed captain to control and guide them through. Against brum Arsenals captain cracked and in spectacular fasion. Wengers post match comments also showed for the first time he is starting to crack.

    In my opinion Arsenal have cracked and are gone as far as the title race is concerned. Yes I know they are still top but its the begining of the end for them. Between Chelsea and united.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    iregk wrote: »
    I always love that line from the liverpool fans. If only the league started here. Well guess what lads its a league, winners are good throughout not just for a few months of it..

    Why was this even said?

    I think it is interesting though that from the months of November/December all the way through to the end of the season that a team who apparently has never shown, or never wil show under the current manager, championship winning form can actually amount the largest number of points over a period that spans 2/3rds of the duration of the season.

    I personally think that it is a worthwhile observation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭iregk


    Again I think its a much more worthwhile observation to look at points tally at the end of the season rather than for 2/3's of it. Kinda backed up my comment there!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,372 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    its not arsenals to throw away....they were 5 points clear, so what, united dropped 5 points in a week, they dropped 4 points this week, thats what happens. both teams are neck and neck and arsenal have had alot of luck so far this season to still be one point ahead.

    Gotta agree with this. It can swing either way over the course of a week. United look in great form, as they did before they had 2 bad games and dropped 5 points. It could easily happen again, it's not like Arsenal have to win their remaining 10 games to win the league.

    People are saying it's Arsenal's to throw away because they got carried away when United dropped those points and Arsenal were 5 points clear... somehow making Arsenal champions elect. Just like they're getting carried away now Arsenal have dropped 4 points in a week. From reading this thread you'd swear Arsenal had dropped out of the title race instead of actually leading the table with 10 games to go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    iregk wrote: »
    Again I think its a much more worthwhile observation to look at points tally at the end of the season rather than for 2/3's of it. Kinda backed up my comment there!

    Of course it is.

    My point is, and stands, that numerous people on these forums have stated that Liverpool never look like they are able to put together any sort of run and that this is conclusive proof as to what they won't ever win the league under Rafa Benitez.

    Now, I am not saying that we defo will win it under him. What I am saying is that having the highest points tally over a period of that that spans 2/3rds or more of a whole season is that run that some folks claim never happens or won't happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,820 ✭✭✭grames_bond


    lookin at the line up of fixtures for the three contenders i think chelski have the easier run in, but it rele is up in the air, anyones game!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    and arsenal have had alot of luck so far this season to still be one point ahead.

    Yeah, bad luck. RvP and Eduardo's injuries, several games they dominated but failed to pick up 3 points. etc.
    Not that I'm bemoaning our bad luck as an excuse. Every team has had good and bad luck this season. Thats football. Thats life.
    It really bugs me when people say "Oh team X are lucky" when their own favourite team (Y) have had their fair share of late goals, dodgy decisions etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    Had a chuckle at Taggart the other day moaning about Arsenal getting a late goal and saying they normally play 8 mins of extra time at the Emirates :rolleyes: how many late goals have United got over the years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    United have the hardest run in, but I'd still put them as favourites, slightly ahead of Arsenal. I thnk Chelsea fans are hoping a little too much.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    OPENROAD wrote: »
    Had a chuckle at Taggart the other day moaning about Arsenal getting a late goal and saying they normally play 8 mins of extra time at the Emirates :rolleyes: how many late goals have United got over the years.

    Good teams are capable of playing at a higher level for longer periods of time, hence why Arsenal and United get plenty of late goals.


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