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who would you decide gets the money?

  • 28-02-2008 1:00am
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭


    I listen to the radio too much for my own good and have notice some amazing views. So here is a scenario

    There are three pupils

    Student A
    Autistic child and in order for him to get the best treatment they need individual teaching. This will in the long run mean that he will cost the state more money in care if not properly taught
    Student B
    Socio path child due to his parents. If not educated in emotional response likely to end up in prison costing the state a vast amount
    Student C
    Genius child unchallenged by the education system. Under achieves in a mediocre job costing the state little.

    Where do you spend your limited resources?

    Why should get the money 52 votes

    Autistic student
    0% 0 votes
    Emotionally disturbed student
    30% 16 votes
    Genius student
    23% 12 votes
    Don't know
    46% 24 votes


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,919 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    I'd spend it on a big fat trip to Vegas and some hookers. Woooh!!!


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,125 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Could you not split the cash between all three?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭muppetkiller


    You could get the wasters off the dole by putting a minimum of 6 months free welfare before you have to work for your dole.
    Then you'd have enough to cover all 3 cases.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭Kipperhell


    Could you not split the cash between all three?

    To to keep it simple no


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,186 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    B I guess. Results are more likely to affect a greater number in society.

    How does non individual treatment cost the state more in the long term in A? What is that based on?


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,125 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Kipperhell wrote: »
    To keep it simple no

    Fine.

    Get the sociopathic kid to kill the autistic kid and then kill himself. Then get genius-boy to write a book about it. Net profit and everyone's a winner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    C, then when he grows up he can become a professor of Latin, we need more of them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭Kipperhell


    Sangre wrote: »
    B I guess. Results are more likely to affect a greater number in society.

    How does non individual treatment cost the state more in the long term in A? What is that based on?

    That is the claim of the autistic groups campaigning for ABA


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    D. On tribunals.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭nice1franko


    Gushy


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭nice1franko


    or b


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭the dee


    This senario is unrealistic, there's enough money to give some to all groups. Who should get more money? I don't know, they're all important social issues that need to be tackled.

    It's unhelpful to think that if we give money to one group it means not giving to another, equally deserving one. They all need funding and there are different organisations which ensure that they all get funding.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Hagar wrote: »
    D. On tribunals.
    lol, good call

    the dee, why don't you just play along? It's not real life!!! We won't hold you to your decision!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭the dee


    DaveMcG wrote: »

    the dee, why don't you just play along? It's not real life!!! We won't hold you to your decision!

    I know but it was posed as a serious question so I gave a serious answer.

    I think we should spend all the money on Atari Jaguars.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭prendy


    is this the politics forum mascerading as AH???

    its not a serious question if its posted in here!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭the dee


    prendy wrote: »
    is this the politics forum mascerading as AH???

    its not a serious question if its posted in here!

    I've seen plenty of serious disscussions in here, running alongside jokes with no problem.

    I'm just tired today and couldn't think of anything funny :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Archeron


    Which child has the mum with the biggest boobs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭The_B_Man


    C. coz they have the potential that the other 2 dont. Kid C could go on to cure a disease, invent the television v2.0, or basically make a big improvement which could make loadsa cash.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Dinter


    C because his taxes can help support the other two.

    Just like real life!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭Rob_l


    The_B_Man wrote: »
    C. coz they have the potential that the other 2 dont. Kid C could go on to cure a disease, invent the television v2.0, or basically make a big improvement which could make loadsa cash.


    Or even web 3.0 :eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    I think the whole point in education is to help a child be the best he can possibly be regardless of his abilties. So this is an impossible question to answer, best I can think of is to split the resources three ways and do the best we can with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    c. **** the other two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    I'd give it to the autistic kid............for new boobs.

    Then I'd lock the genius in a room with the sociopath and a knife which can only be released by solving a number of puzzles each more fiendish than the last. I would pipe this out to the masses in the form of a reality TV show and have the autistic kid host it. No-one would care as they'd only be staring at the amazing newly purchased bahamajads. I would sell this format abroad and make millions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    SetantaL wrote: »
    I'd give it to the autistic kid............for new boobs.

    Then I'd lock the genius in a room with the sociopath and a knife which can only be released by solving a number of puzzles each more fiendish than the last. I would pipe this out to the masses in the form of a reality TV show and have the autistic kid host it. No-one would care as they'd only be staring at the amazing newly purchased bahamajads. I would sell this format abroad and make millions.

    i agree with most of that but why give the autistioc kid boobs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    No-one would care as they'd only be staring at the amazing newly purchased bahamajads

    You missed the above. New boobs to distract the masses from the hosting abilities (or lack therof, but hey, he's cheap) of the autistic kid


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    sorry my mistake:o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭Kipperhell


    Lux23 wrote: »
    I think the whole point in education is to help a child be the best he can possibly be regardless of his abilties. So this is an impossible question to answer, best I can think of is to split the resources three ways and do the best we can with it.

    Somebody has to make these decisions. I am amazed at the radio listening/radio callers have all the sympathy for a particular group without considering the full picture. I think you might find every student with needs would be be helped by individual experts but one group appear to get more media attention.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭slipss


    Kipperhell wrote: »
    I listen to the radio too much for my own good and have notice some amazing views. So here is a scenario

    Heh, when I read that bit there I thought to myself well "what do you expect idiots that spend there time ringing in and texting radio stations are gibbering, well, idiots"

    And then i saw the results of the poll so far, I guess it's just people in general that are gibbering idiots and it has nothing to do with the radio, option C by a landslide huh? Lucky I have a keyboard here because I am genuinly speachless.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭slipss


    SetantaL wrote: »
    I'd give it to the autistic kid............for new boobs.

    Then I'd lock the genius in a room with the sociopath and a knife which can only be released by solving a number of puzzles each more fiendish than the last. I would pipe this out to the masses in the form of a reality TV show and have the autistic kid host it. No-one would care as they'd only be staring at the amazing newly purchased bahamajads. I would sell this format abroad and make millions.

    Hell, I'd watch it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    I'd spend it on a big fat trip to Vegas and some hookers. Woooh!!!

    Or give it to a big fat minister to spend on a trip to the superbowl...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭Kipperhell


    slipss wrote: »
    Heh, when I read that bit there I thought to myself well "what do you expect idiots that spend there time ringing in and texting radio stations are gibbering, well, idiots"

    And then i saw the results of the poll so far, I guess it's just people in general that are gibbering idiots and it has nothing to do with the radio, option C by a landslide huh? Lucky I have a keyboard here because I am genuinly speachless.

    What is funny is you aren't stating who you think should get the money and I can't tell. I guess a lot of people think a genius is a good commodity. Unfortunately they get the least amount of money spent on them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,416 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    Kipperhell wrote: »
    What is funny is you aren't stating who you think should get the money and I can't tell. I guess a lot of people think a genius is a good commodity. Unfortunately they get the least amount of money spent on them

    So you think that the other two should sink or swim? Not pinpointing you in particular, just yours was the last post before mine. I'm undecided between A and B, leaning towards A


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭Kipperhell


    Collie D wrote: »
    So you think that the other two should sink or swim? Not pinpointing you in particular, just yours was the last post before mine. I'm undecided between A and B, leaning towards A

    I just think people don't think and the media are way too powerful. It is always easier to think of caring without thinking of reality IMHO.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Neither A nor B would appreciate the gesture, in all honesty. C might not either, but C might just possibly make a difference to the world, unless... wait a second, an autistic guy invented BitTorrent with no funding - all bets on A. Or B, the hard begininnings might give him/her motivation to make the best of a new chance.

    Can the money just rest in my account while I mull it over?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    I would give it to c


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭Smellyirishman


    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    I would give it to c

    C is a dude.


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