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Is the English FA gone mad ?

  • 27-02-2008 10:33AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭


    I see this morning the Aliadiere suspension of 3 games has been upheld and that an extra game has been added for a 'frivilous' appeal
    This now means that martin Taylor will be suspended for 3 games
    while aliadiere will be suspended for 4
    A slap in the face after provocation of being grabbed in the face in the first place or a reckless challenge that has left a player fighting for his career, which is worse ?
    Then to add to things they have sent a letter to both parties in the Taylor/Eduardo incident offering their sympathies, fair enough send the letter to Eduardo the guy is shattered both mentally and physically but to just send a letter of sympathy to Taylor is crazy, they should at least mention that his tackle was late and reckless before jumping to sympathy. He may be a nice guy but his tackle was not nice and I'm sick of seeing all the sympathy for him (because of nationalities no doubt, if this was Richard Dunne on Rooney I wonder would we be seeing the same reaction)
    Eduardo is the victim here not Taylor


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    You should work for The Sun.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,404 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Evil_Clown wrote: »
    I see this morning the Aliadiere suspension of 3 games has been upheld and that an extra game has been added for a 'frivilous' appeal
    This now means that martin Taylor will be suspended for 3 games
    while aliadiere will be suspended for 4
    A slap in the face after provocation of being grabbed in the face in the first place or a reckless challenge that has left a player fighting for his career, which is worse ?
    Then to add to things they have sent a letter to both parties in the Taylor/Eduardo incident offering their sympathies, fair enough send the letter to Eduardo the guy is shattered both mentally and physically but to just send a letter of sympathy to Taylor is crazy, they should at least mention that his tackle was late and reckless before jumping to sympathy. He may be a nice guy but his tackle was not nice and I'm sick of seeing all the sympathy for him (because of nationalities no doubt, if this was Richard Dunne on Rooney I wonder would we be seeing the same reaction)
    Eduardo is the victim here not Taylor

    point a) Both were given straight red cards, the punishment for which is a 3 match ban. The Alieadiere appeal WAS frivilous and adding an extra punishment is to stop clubs appealing for every single decision. How they could have that would be rescinded is beyond me.

    point b) I would imagine they sent a sympathy letter because Taylor now has it on his conscience that he has caused a massive potentially career ending injury on a fellow professional, which will at best keep him out for 9 months of agony and recuperation.

    To be honest I wouldn't mind if there was an added retorospective punishment (6 match ban or something) for horror tackles, i.e those which Can cause massive injury, whether they actually do in each circumstance or not.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    I have no problem with Taylor having only a 3 match ban because of the straight red.There's no reason to give him more.

    However I can't believe the Aliadere incident has been upheld, surely that should mean Mascherano will be suspended for three games aswell?
    The referee didn't book him for it so The FA could do something about it.
    Doubt they will though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,404 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    SantryRed wrote: »
    I have no problem with Taylor having only a 3 match ban because of the straight red.There's no reason to give him more.

    However I can't believe the Aliadere incident has been upheld, surely that should mean Mascherano will be suspended for three games aswell?
    The referee didn't book him for it so The FA could do something about it.
    Doubt they will though.

    ?! That makes no sense?! Mascherano has absolutely nothing to do with Aliadiere's appeal. Boro wanted Aliadiere's punishment lessened, which was never gonna happen. Even if they did give Mascherano a retrospective punishment, it would not effect Aliadiere's in any way.

    It was a frivolous appeal, and was treated as such.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So he misses more than 10% of the season because of a bi-tch slap, ridiculous. IMO opinion the most horrific incident last weekend was the so called "Captain" of Arsenals behaviour. IF anything deservers a 4 match ban it was that muppetry!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭yom 1


    Boggles wrote: »
    So he misses more than 10% of the season because of a bi-tch slap, ridiculous.

    Yeah so if he's smart he wont do it again. And Boro wont either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Evil_Clown


    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    ?!
    It was a frivolous appeal, and was treated as such.

    Jon Obi Mikel and Essien both had appeals for far worse sendings off rejected but neither were deemed frivolous.
    Why is one frivolous and not the other ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,404 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I dont know, and i also dont know what that has to do with this really beyond showing inconsistency..thats a totally different case. Im sure i could go look for a YouTube clip for them and agree that yes an appeal was frivilous in those cases, but the point remains, Aliadiere's was a pointless appeal.

    Perhaps since those appeals you mentioned, more clubs have just been appealing everything so the FA has decided enough is enough and put the foot down.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 609 ✭✭✭Dubit10


    Taylor in my eyes should have been banned for the rest of the season.Cant understand where all this sympthy in coming from.He went over the top and smiled after tackle.Disgraceful IMO.What if it had been rooney or lampard etc..(English star) who had have had a broken ankle? Do you think the press would have had this kind of sympthy if lets say tugay or some other non english player would have done the same thing.Like hell they would:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    ?! That makes no sense?! Mascherano has absolutely nothing to do with Aliadiere's appeal. Boro wanted Aliadiere's punishment lessened, which was never gonna happen. Even if they did give Mascherano a retrospective punishment, it would not effect Aliadiere's in any way.


    I know that Mascherano has nothing to do with Aliadere's appeal.

    What I meant was that in terms of consistency by the FA, Macherano has to get a 3 match ban IMO.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    Dubit10 wrote: »
    Taylor in my eyes should have been banned for the rest of the season.Cant understand where all this sympthy in coming from.

    You honestly think he was smiling after that tackle?
    You can't be serious?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,836 ✭✭✭Vokes


    SantryRed wrote: »
    I know that Mascherano has nothing to do with Aliadere's appeal.

    What I meant was that in terms of consistency by the FA, Macherano has to get a 3 match ban IMO.
    Then that wouldn't be consistent - he wasn't sent off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    SofaKing wrote: »
    Then that wouldn't be consistent - he wasn't sent off.

    Well if Aliadere's suspension has been upheld, Mascherano did worse and because it wasn't dealt with on the day the FA can ban him for it.
    And if they think what Aliadiere did warranted the three match ban to be upheld then I think Mascherano should be banned too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,860 ✭✭✭ditpoker


    Dubit10 wrote: »
    Taylor in my eyes should have been banned for the rest of the season.Cant understand where all this sympthy in coming from.He went over the top and smiled after tackle.Disgraceful IMO.What if it had been rooney or lampard etc..(English star) who had have had a broken ankle? Do you think the press would have had this kind of sympthy if lets say tugay or some other non english player would have done the same thing.Like hell they would:rolleyes:

    :eek:

    what game/incident did you see? taylor smiling?! are you kidding me!? as soon as the tackle went in he knew he'd done something wrong, he sat up on one knee, got shown a red card and didnt care... watch it again, he gets sent off, barely reacts and looks back down at eduardo looking quite concerned for him.

    also there are much worse tackles week in week out in every division from schoolboy football to pro's. what made this one worse was the angle/eduardo's foot being planted on soft ground. if it had been summer on a drier pitch, his stud slip from beneath him and he rolls the tackle, if his foot was in the air, he rolls the tackle. if it had been at another angle, he;d probably roll the tackle. it was a bad accident. a youtube search for "good tackles" would find many similar ones.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,404 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    SantryRed wrote: »
    Well if Aliadere's suspension has been upheld, Mascherano did worse and beacause it wasn't dealt with on the day the FA can ban him for it.
    And if they think what Aliadiere did warranted the three match ban to be upheld then I think Mascherano should be banned too.

    First off, how was Mascherano's worse?! Are you saying that because he acted first? in that case if he had provoked Aliadiere by saying something to him, would that be worse too? In terms of the actions themselves, Aliadiere's was obviously worse.

    Now, on the actual rule itself, the rule IS NOT "raise your hands, your off", Its more like "Do something with the intent of harming an opponant" and in a match situation more often then not the ref takes a player raising his hands to be just that. But, in this case he obviously didn't and probably said so in his match report. Masch raised his hand clearly with no force and just touched Aliadiere's face, obviously to somewhat provoke him, but not to cause harm. Aliadiere meanwhile actually did 'hit' masch, however girly.

    One way i was thinking of looking at it, is if both incidents were carried out to a child, Maschs probably wouldn't hurt, Aliadiere's would probably make them cry.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Boggles wrote: »
    IMO opinion the most horrific incident last weekend was the so called "Captain" of Arsenals behaviour. IF anything deservers a 4 match ban it was that muppetry!

    I hope you are never in a position of power. That would idiocy. What exactly did Gallas do to warrant a suspension? Kicked an advertising hoarding? Get real.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    It's easy. Taylor accepted his card and wrongdoing. Obviously Aliadiere didn't. If he ain't man enough to accept his mistakes, then yeah, he probably well deserves the extra game ban.

    At least Taylor has shown humility and genuine regret, Aliadiere was just girls blouse stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    Masch raised his hand clearly with no force and just touched Aliadiere's face, obviously to somewhat provoke him, but not to cause harm. Aliadiere meanwhile actually did 'hit' masch, however girly.


    So squeezing someone's face isn't force then?

    Mascherano should be given a three match ban as well as he was as much in the wrong as Aliadiere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,952 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    SantryRed wrote: »
    Well if Aliadere's suspension has been upheld, Mascherano did worse and because it wasn't dealt with on the day the FA can ban him for it.
    And if they think what Aliadiere did warranted the three match ban to be upheld then I think Mascherano should be banned too.

    FA can only ban him the the match ref ask them to look at the video

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    This is the English FA gone nuts, but not in the Taylor sense.

    Last week Fergie asked the FA to look at Gallas kicking Nani on three seperate occassions, the FA took no action. Aliadiare touches Mascheranos face, appeals the ban, and is given an extra day ban for daring to question the FA's decision.

    The FA are utterly inconsistant all the time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,952 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    PHB wrote: »
    This is the English FA gone nuts, but not in the Taylor sense.

    Last week Fergie asked the FA to look at Gallas kicking Nani on three seperate occassions, the FA took no action. Aliadiare touches Mascheranos face, appeals the ban, and is given an extra day ban for daring to question the FA's decision.

    The FA are utterly inconsistant all the time.


    FA cant take action if a manager asks them it has to ne the match ref.

    If they took action after Fergie asked them how many times would you then seen Wenger and every other manager ask them to look at videos

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Well I don't know about procedure but,
    the FA did review the footage and said
    "Having viewed the footage, the referee was not satisfied that it showed evidence of violent conduct and therefore no further action will be taken."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,952 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    If the ref has booked the player for it the FA will not upgrade it to a red card they will see the yellow card as enough.

    I cant comment as I did not watch the match as i had more important things to be done, and would never go out of my way to watch Man U

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,495 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    Boggles wrote: »
    IMO opinion the most horrific incident last weekend was the so called "Captain" of Arsenals behaviour. IF anything deservers a 4 match ban it was that muppetry!

    That's a reallly typical Man Utd fan post - nothing sporting in it, just hurt the competition however possible. Shallow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Can someone find the actual rule/law relating to hitting/touching someone's face during a match? I don't see how Masch and Aliadiere's incidents were so different -- they were both intentional, both involved force (one squeeze, one strike), and neither caused injury.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    The ref didn't book Gallas. It's a joke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    nipplenuts wrote: »
    That's a reallly typical Man Utd fan post - nothing sporting in it, just hurt the competition however possible. Shallow.

    And that's a typical boards.ie persons post. What? That's a stupid thing to say? Why is generalising in general just stupid?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,404 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    SantryRed wrote: »
    So squeezing someone's face isn't force then?

    Mascherano should be given a three match ban as well as he was as much in the wrong as Aliadiere.

    Come on, i really cant honestly believe that you think Masch's is as bad. Its clealry not forcefull. there's no push to the face or anything, its quite simply a touch, (I definately didn't see this "forceful squeeze") which would definately piss someone off. definate yellow imo. aliadiere's was clearly a swing in reaction. If i had my way that would have been a yellow too since it was so girly, but unfortunately in the current game, whatever about raising your hands, if you swing - you're off.

    The ref looked like he had seen both incidents and decided there was no intent to harm from Mascherano since he did nothing.

    Dave, Ref365 did an article on this a while back stating what i stated above, thats it not about raising your hands, its about showing an intent to harm. I tried looking for it there quickly but no joy. Id imagine if the ref thought there was a "squeeze of force" on Aliadiere he would have been off too, but to be honest i saw no such thing and i guess he didn't either. There isn't even contact long enough for a squeeze. The ref has since said he "had a good clear view of the whole incident"

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Any links to a replay? Can't find it on y00t00b. And if anyone else can find the relevent law then post away por favor


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭Loomis


    Evil_Clown wrote: »
    Jon Obi Mikel and Essien both had appeals for far worse sendings off rejected but neither were deemed frivolous.
    Why is one frivolous and not the other ?

    Nail on the proverbial head!
    That's what pissed me off. Not that he got an extra match ban. The inconsistency of the FA. It's the same as referees - we'd all bitch and moan about them far less if even their crap decisions were consistent. They're not and that's what annoys people


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