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Medicine or Law?

  • 24-02-2008 5:54pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭


    Anybody doing either of these?Id be interested to know what each involves in Uni, and what subjects at LC would you need for either?Or would at least help?Another question:confused: what are the best reasons to do each?what should you be interested in?(Apart from €€€€€ lol)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭Thomas_S_Hunterson


    Are you interested in either of them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭stainluss


    Sean_K wrote: »
    Are you interested in either of them?
    yes, both im just asking what topics (eg. politics etc) should you be interested in to enjoy either of these professions?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭ZorbaTehZ


    stainluss wrote:
    Anybody doing either of these?Id be interested to know what each involves in Uni

    Are you serious? You have no idea what either would involve?
    stainluss wrote:
    what subjects at LC would you need for either?

    Qualifax.ie. Look up the courses and you'll be able to see what subjects and points are required.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 950 ✭✭✭EamonnKeane


    Both involve a lot of study, hard work and money. The difference is that as a lawyer you'll spend half your time keeping scum of the earth out of jail and the other half doing paperwork, while as a doctor you'll spend half your time cutting people up and the other half doing paperwork.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭Thomas_S_Hunterson


    Both involve a lot of study, hard work and money. The difference is that as a lawyer you'll spend half your time keeping scum of the earth out of jail and the other half doing paperwork, while as a doctor you'll spend half your time cutting people up and the other half doing paperwork.
    Two silly points really.

    There's more than just criminal law...in fact the real money is in corporate.

    As a surgeon, you'll spend a lot of time cutting people up, but there are many branches of medicine, not just surgery.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43 HoldOnTight


    why medicine and law? two very different careers...

    Is it a prestige and money thing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,195 ✭✭✭Corruptedmorals


    It's a points thing. If you can get the points for medicine, but secretly prefer law, then choose law and don't be a points snob. The amount of people who end up hating their high-points courses who just put it down on the cao because they knew they'd get it. What's the point in that? You're only fooling yourself.

    Anyway, Law needs the general matriculation subjects for the college, and nothing else. History would be good though. Lecture hours are generally less than 10 a week, but it's a given that you will spend your life in the library reading gigantic books and struggling to finish 5000 word-essays every week.

    Medicine has far more hours, and far more practical and work placement based. Still more time-consuming.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43 HoldOnTight


    Yeh all my law buddies at college seem to have loads of spare time. Most of them have the entire friday off. But they have just learned that all the extra free time they have is supposed to be spent cramming at the library!

    Dont know anyone really from medecine other than a few minor acquaintances. They seem fairly relaxed and there is a definate 'work hard-play hard' ethos among them. They are definate hardcore partiers when they do emerge from their books!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Nothingcompares


    stainluss wrote: »
    Anybody doing either of these?Id be interested to know what each involves in Uni, and what subjects at LC would you need for either?Or would at least help?Another question:confused: what are the best reasons to do each?what should you be interested in?(Apart from €€€€€ lol)

    Presumably you're in TY or earlier. The only special subjects you need for either are 2 sciences (physics, chemistry or biology (or derivatives) for medicine. However, a lot of people would recommend you do Physics Chemistry Biology and Higher Level Maths for medicine and History, Latin, Foreign Language, HL English etc. for Law however they're only recommendations.

    Medicine in Uni involves a lot of lectures and labs on basic science as well as stuff more related to medicine such as anatomy. You'll be expected to do a lot of memorisation of different body parts (names of muscles,nerves etc.) in the early years. As you progress you'll spend more time in hospitals then in lectures in the college. In the hospitals you'll basically follow doctors around and learn stuff. I don't know the details.

    Law in Uni involves a lot of reading of literature, stuff from trials/cases/law books, journals etc. Expect a lot of emphasis on essay writing, critical thinking, making persuasive arguments.

    The similarities between Law and Medicine are few in the specific sense other than they require high points to get into and that the associated professions are "high status". People often want to be doctors or lawyers because they're impressive professions.

    A medical degree will take 5/6 years to achieve and will then be followed by more years training in hospitals. You can expect really long hours as a junior doctor and a lot of stress associated with it. You can expect your social life (hobbys/girlfriends/boyfriends/going drinking) to suffer compared to that of people that got jobs in banks for example.

    A law degree will not qualify you as a lawyer, you will need to complete more training and exams to be qualified as a solicitor or barrister. They're separate careers so you need to research the differences. The early years of Law are also quite difficult and require a lot of hours.

    Both careers require intelligence, both in terms of academic competence (Doctors need to know their area inside out and be prepared to consistently upgrade their knowledge, lawyers require an encyclopaedic knowledge of the law etc.) and emotional/interpersonal ability (be able to "deal" with all types of people from patients to judges). You can argue that both require a desire to serve the community and fellow man etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,186 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    It will take roughly the same time to qualify as as solicitor as it will a doctor. Being a barrister will be a bit quicker. They're not much similarities between the professions in terms of what you'll be doing/learning. They'll both require a lot of hours and academic work to qualify or even become remotely successful. Are you considering them because they both have high points?

    BTW only a minority of lawyers will deal with criminal matters.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 135 ✭✭Stirling


    OP I'm sorry but I have to question your motivations based on how you phrased your original question. The Leaving Cert creates this idea of "If I get lots of points I must do a course that requires them/has the necessary status" and if that should never be anyone's motivation for choosing a career. Medicine and Law are so radically difficult in some ways that even asking what is the difference between them is worrying. There are some similarities though in that both require dedication, sacrifices, a lot of hard work and if and when the money comes it really is earned. I won't speak about Medicine but just to give you my background...

    I always wanted to do Law and the fact that I was capable of getting, and did get well over 500 points was never a motivation for my decision. Law is a strange profession in that you will hear all sorts of things about needing family history in it or loads of money to survive or get through the system. I have neither and no matter how many horror stories I heard it didn't put me off. You will hit a lot of brick walls in any career path you choose so you want to be absolutely sure that you are committed or you won't make it to the end or you'll hate what you're doing which is even worse. I did my degree in UCC and followed that up with a masters in UCD. Both of these cost me, and my parents, a lot of hassle and expense and in addition to studying through the years I tried to get as much as legal experience as I could through the summers through grovelling and remember most people will be more than happy to do this unpaid.

    I have spent the last while doing my entrance exams to Blackhall Place (solicitor training) and am only now, at the age of 23, about to start earning anything after 5 years of really hard studying and I am getting through the process as quickly as you can I have friends in their late 20s who still aren't where I'm at.

    For this I will be earning a training wage and working extremely hard and long hours - and I am delighted by this as I can't wait to get involved in real cases and see what law away from the College Library is like. If you are in any way daunted by this then think seriously about your choices as the exact same slog is involved in medicine. On the other hand if you are motivated by real desire and interest in either of the professions then I am sure you will enjoy both the academic side of both and the exciting part of actually doing the jobs after.

    However if you are motivated by status/money and aren't prepared to work then remember that status is something that other people have an interest in and as someone doing the job neither it, nor money, will make you happy or lessen the workload of something you chose for the wrong reasons.

    Best of luck


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭degausserxo


    Presumably you're in TY or earlier. The only special subjects you need for either are 2 sciences (physics, chemistry or biology (or derivatives) for medicine. .

    In UCD, you need only one lab subject, be it chemistry, physics, biology, physics with chemistry or whatever, but I think that if there's an overload of students applying you need at least HC3 in Chemistry to be considered.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 193 ✭✭straight_As


    In UCD, you need only one lab subject, be it chemistry, physics, biology, physics with chemistry or whatever, but I think that if there's an overload of students applying you need at least HC3 in Chemistry to be considered.

    I might be wrong, but I think the HC3 in chemistry is only a pre-requisite for those with a 600 point leaving cert and hoping to do the 5 year course instead of six, i.e., skip premed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 923 ✭✭✭Chunky Monkey


    In the UK now when you graduate (F1 year) your take home pay will be £14/15 k. This is due to the EWTD, you'll officially only be working 48 hours a week (and if you work more you won't be paid for it). And considering the fact that they will be halving the number of junior doctors here and more than doubling the number of med school places, you'll be lucky if you even have a job when you graduate. EWTD will probably come into affect here in the near future which means you'll get paid less here too. Those ridiculously high wages you hear in the news that doctors are getting are only for the consultants, another post you'll be lucky to get and will take an extreme amount of study and very hard work to get even close to it many, many years after you graduate.

    The best reason to do either? Having an insane interest in the subject and the field of work that will get you through the very hard and long slog. Think well before you decide to embark on it and make sure you only choose a career that you know you will love.

    Regarding subjects for medicine, considering entry for it is very competitive I'd recommend at least taking chemistry as many schools in the UK (you may have to apply there for back up) require it, apparently because it's a hard subject and is another way of distinguishing between the huge amount of applicants who have the A grades, work/volunteering experience and high UKCAT/BMAT scores.

    A physics teacher in my school told me not to do biology but to do physics if I want to do medicine. I couldn't see the sense in that as in medicine you treat the human body so I thought an interest in biology at least would be essential. It turns out there are a lot of medical schools in the UK that also require biology. Never mind what people say about physics being the subject that smart people do and biology the one that dumb people do. Contrary to popular belief, biology is actually quite hard but is also very interesting. As wel as looking at entry requirements, choose subjects that you will enjoy and think you can work towards getting an A1 in.

    If you are choosing subjects now, the best thing for you to do is take a look at all the careers you may be interested in, find out what colleges offer courses that you would need to get into these careers, look at the prospectuses and find out what the subject requirements are. For UK schools (if you are interested in going there/having a back up) all their course subject and grade requirements are on the UCAS site.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 193 ✭✭straight_As


    Those ridiculously high wages you hear in the news that doctors are getting are only for the consultants, another post you'll be lucky to get and will take an extreme amount of study and very hard work to get even close to it many, many years after you graduate.

    I was told by a junior doctor that in his intern year he earned between €70000 and €75000. The only problem was that he was earning at a rate lower than the cleaners. I suppose the motto is that one respect doctors are well paid but in another the contrary is true. A bit of a paradox.:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    lol, Medicine, Law is such a typical combination from prestige seekers. It's funny because there's very little chance that anyone genuinely interested in medicine would be equally interested in law. I mean they're drastically different subjects.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 923 ✭✭✭Chunky Monkey


    I was told by a junior doctor that in his intern year he earned between €70000 and €75000. The only problem was that he was earning at a rate lower than the cleaners. I suppose the motto is that one respect doctors are well paid but in another the contrary is true. A bit of a paradox.:rolleyes:

    And he was probably working 100+ hour weeks but that will be cut right down to 48 hours with the European Working Time Directive.

    I wonder will it affect chances of taking out student loans. Apparently banks are quite welcoming to medicine students at the moment.

    Couldn't imagine doing law, sounds very boring, though human rights law could be interesting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 773 ✭✭✭Cokehead Mother


    JC 2K3 wrote: »
    lol, Medicine, Law is such a typical combination from prestige seekers. It's funny because there's very little chance that anyone genuinely interested in medicine would be equally interested in law. I mean they're drastically different subjects.

    I dunno. I'm torn between Maths and English.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,383 ✭✭✭Aoibheann


    JC 2K3 wrote: »
    lol, Medicine, Law is such a typical combination from prestige seekers. It's funny because there's very little chance that anyone genuinely interested in medicine would be equally interested in law. I mean they're drastically different subjects.


    I'm awfully sorry to burst that bubble, but I can honestly say that I had an interest in both, and no, it was nothing to do with the prestige. People can have a wide range of interests. There's very few courses on the CAO that I haven't seriously considered at one stage or the other (from medicine to law, maths to english, genetics to architecture) - I'd spend the rest of my life in college if I could. I love learning - not studying, my god, that's painful, but the achievement of learning something new, no matter what area it's in, just gives this amazing feeling.

    As regards medicine and law specifically, I've always wanted to do medicine, for as long as I can remember anyway. There were a variety of reasons - seeing doctors in the hospital treating my grannies, one with stroke, one with cancer and realising that I wanted to do what they were doing some day.. my insane interest in all things science, most specifically disease, illness, genetics and the like. I could go on but I fear this post is rambling quite a lot.

    There were a few areas of law that I also saw myself going into some day - Human Rights, Family, Criminal. I read cases and cases, what set precedent here, some interesting loophole someone had exploited there. When I really thought about it though, no matter how interesting I found it, I just couldn't go into those areas - Human Rights would get frustrating, Family Law upsetting, Criminal would involve a lot of questioning of my own ethics and morals. Yes, I realise that my studying medicine will lead me to a career which will have all 3 as cons. That doesn't matter though. In the end, after a long period of consideration, I decided that medicine was the career for me. But, and I stress that but, I seriously considered law. Not because of any prestige - I couldn't care less how my job decides my social status - but because I had a genuine interest in it.

    Just because the courses are so totally different doesn't mean that people can't honestly consider the two. If medicine and law required 200 points, I'd still be every bit as interested. Not everybody's there just because they can get the points. Some of us actually give a damn! ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    I'm awfully sorry to burst that bubble, but I can honestly say that I had an interest in both, and no, it was nothing to do with the prestige. People can have a wide range of interests. There's very few courses on the CAO that I haven't seriously considered at one stage or the other (from medicine to law, maths to english, genetics to architecture) - I'd spend the rest of my life in college if I could. I love learning - not studying, my god, that's painful, but the achievement of learning something new, no matter what area it's in, just gives this amazing feeling.

    As regards medicine and law specifically, I've always wanted to do medicine, for as long as I can remember anyway. There were a variety of reasons - seeing doctors in the hospital treating my grannies, one with stroke, one with cancer and realising that I wanted to do what they were doing some day.. my insane interest in all things science, most specifically disease, illness, genetics and the like. I could go on but I fear this post is rambling quite a lot.

    There were a few areas of law that I also saw myself going into some day - Human Rights, Family, Criminal. I read cases and cases, what set precedent here, some interesting loophole someone had exploited there. When I really thought about it though, no matter how interesting I found it, I just couldn't go into those areas - Human Rights would get frustrating, Family Law upsetting, Criminal would involve a lot of questioning of my own ethics and morals. Yes, I realise that my studying medicine will lead me to a career which will have all 3 as cons. That doesn't matter though. In the end, after a long period of consideration, I decided that medicine was the career for me. But, and I stress that but, I seriously considered law. Not because of any prestige - I couldn't care less how my job decides my social status - but because I had a genuine interest in it.

    Just because the courses are so totally different doesn't mean that people can't honestly consider the two. If medicine and law required 200 points, I'd still be every bit as interested. Not everybody's there just because they can get the points. Some of us actually give a damn! ;)
    Well I never said that it wasn't possible for someone to be torn between both, but Medicine and Law is quite a frequent combination and it doesn't add up that there'd be that many people genuinely interested in both. And in any case, if someone'd decided that they wanted to do Medicine, and therefore put it first, surely it'd make lot more sense to put something along the same lines like Pharmacy or Science second, not Law....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,383 ✭✭✭Aoibheann


    JC 2K3 wrote: »
    Well I never said that it wasn't possible for someone to be torn between both, but Medicine and Law is quite a frequent combination and it doesn't add up that there'd be that many people genuinely interested in both. And in any case, if someone'd decided that they wanted to do Medicine, and therefore put it first, surely it'd make lot more sense to put something along the same lines like Pharmacy or Science second, not Law....

    They're as far away from medicine as law is.. Ok, granted, there's some overlap, but at the end of the day you're looking at totally different subjects and careers there too! Law wasn't my second choice in the end, I didn't put it on the CAO because of the various reasons I'd decided it wasn't for me. But my CAO was somewhat varied.. Ok, granted I had Veterinary down too. After that though I had Psychology and Maths TSM, Human Genetics, Theoretical Physics and Science. I'd also considered and ruled out a lot of others. But I'd have been happy doing any of the courses I had on my CAO. It's not completely unfathomable and incredible to have an interest in a lot of subjects!

    That said, I get what you mean (or what I think you mean!). A lot of people do put down either or both of these subjects just because they can get the points. These people inevitably drop out because it's clearly not right for them - I know a fair few people like that actually. It irritates me because I also know people who were so close to getting medicine, yet just missed out because there's a certain number of people studying it because they can. It's ridiculously unfair, but it's still not right to tar the rest of us with the same brush, y'know? :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    Well my point basically was that Medicine, Law is a typical prestige seeker's combination. Now I don't mean to imply that everyone who puts these down as 1 and 2 is a prestige seeker, nor did I mean to imply that having multiple interests was unfathomable, just that there is no obvious link between Medicine and Law and that the amount of people putting down that combination on their CAO is disproportionate, probabilitywise, with the amount of people who would randomly happen to be very interested in both.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,383 ✭✭✭Aoibheann


    *nods* Get what you mean.. I just have a horrible tendency to go into rants about how we're not all like that! :) But I definitely see your point.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 923 ✭✭✭Chunky Monkey


    There's not just prestige seeking, there's thrill seeking too! I'd also be interested in investigative journalism...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,919 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    There's not just prestige seeking, there's thrill seeking too! I'd also be interested in investigative journalism...

    Journalism is a good road to go down if you have an interest in a topic but don't necessarily have the ambition or drive to fully pursue it.

    I always had an idea that I could do law but had no interest in doing the amount of years it takes to fully qualify. With journalism it is possible for me to still go into that area as a kind of 'commentator' i.e. reporting on cases, sitting in on hearings etc.

    The same applies for sports i.e you may not be good enough to play professionally but you can still be involved in the industry. Journalism is very diverse and an option I'd recommned people to look at.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 435 ✭✭~Candy~


    my advice would be go and do a work experience in a hospital and then go to solicitors.. i mean you gotta to like one more than the other ..:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,944 ✭✭✭Jay P


    I've said this before on boards. Do no go into law. Believe me, it is not enjoyable work. And believe me, you would be very lucky to get work these days. There is an absoute abundance os solicitors in Ireland. Medecine would be good if you love to help people. But don't do law. I have been told by any solicitor I have met not to do it.Seriously boring work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭Thomas_S_Hunterson


    Jay P wrote: »
    I've said this before on boards. Do no go into law. Believe me, it is not enjoyable work. And believe me, you would be very lucky to get work these days. There is an absoute abundance os solicitors in Ireland. Medecine would be good if you love to help people. But don't do law. I have been told by any solicitor I have met not to do it.Seriously boring work.

    If you're good, you'll get work. There may be an abundance of solicitors, but there's always room for good ones.

    If you go to a private school, it'll be easier to get work.

    Enjoyment of work is entirelly subjective. Some people may get great satisfaction out of piecing together a watertight case as a solicitor, or out of swinging a jury through sheer rhetoric as a barrister.

    In the end it's down to what the OP thinks they will enjoy IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 135 ✭✭Stirling


    Sean_K wrote: »

    If you go to a private school, it'll be easier to get work.

    Sense of entitlement or what! Competence will also get you work


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,944 ✭✭✭Jay P


    Sean_K wrote: »
    If you're good, you'll get work. There may be an abundance of solicitors, but there's always room for good ones.

    If you go to a private school, it'll be easier to get work.

    Enjoyment of work is entirelly subjective. Some people may get great satisfaction out of piecing together a watertight case as a solicitor, or out of swinging a jury through sheer rhetoric as a barrister.

    In the end it's down to what the OP thinks they will enjoy IMO.


    While you may be right about there never being enough good ones, there truely is too many. Also the introduction of the Personal Injury Assessment Board hasn't helped one bit.

    Solicitor work certainly is not all piecing together a case. Far from it. The solicitor I know is completely fed up with her work, it's all conveyancing, and as you would expect, that's beginning to dry up. On a related note, there's talk that all the convayancing might be deregulated so estate agents would do all that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭Thomas_S_Hunterson


    Stirling wrote: »
    Sense of entitlement or what! Competence will also get you work

    Fact of life I'm afraid


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    Methinks you're slightly deluded on that one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭Thomas_S_Hunterson


    I don't think so. The ammount of mutual back-scratching at past-pupil's union get-togethers is....significant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,186 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    I don't think so. The ammount of mutual back-scratching at past-pupil's union get-togethers is....significant.

    No it isn't, you're full of ****. I'd love to know what you're basing this on.
    The solicitor I know is completely fed up with her work, it's all conveyancing, and as you would expect, that's beginning to dry up.

    Well the simple solution to that would be not to practice conveyancing, like a huge amount of solicitors do. Anyway, who says you even have to be a solicitor? You could be a judge or paralegal or academic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭Fibonacci23


    Just while everyone's having there rant there... anyone actually got med on their cao?? if so let me no 'cause i do! (not 'prestige seeking' either.... i've always wanted it....!)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    Dont forget that you can do graduate entry Law and Medicine. Basically go to college, get any degree you want and either go to Kings Inns for Law or do the GAMSAT and go to one of the colleges offering graduate medicine and do it there for four years. It means more time in college, and paying a lot of money, but it's worth it if it means you're not going into something you're unsure about.

    If you're swinging more towards Law than medicine you could always go anywehre and do a law degree and then do graduate entry medicine if you decide it's not for you.


    Good luck :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40 eoinalmighty


    Just while everyone's having there rant there... anyone actually got med on their cao?? if so let me no 'cause i do! (not 'prestige seeking' either.... i've always wanted it....!)

    Hehe you have a short memory! You wanted veterinary for 16 years of your life!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭Fibonacci23


    Hehe you have a short memory! You wanted veterinary for 16 years of your life!




    Ahhh, people, animals, whats the difference?? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    The points are higher for people? ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40 eoinalmighty


    Which doesn't quite make sense! There is a greater variety of ailments for all the possible animals than there is for us bipeds. Shouldn't the points be higher for a course teaching you to cure many different animals, not just one?!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭Thomas_S_Hunterson


    Which doesn't quite make sense! There is a greater variety of ailments for all the possible animals than there is for us bipeds. Shouldn't the points be higher for a course teaching you to cure many different animals, not just one?!

    Points are based on demand for courses.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭Fibonacci23


    Sean_K wrote: »
    Points are based on demand for courses.



    Not necessarily, granted they'll go up and down because of demand, but look at the statistics for the courses last year, 13499 for Arts as first preference, and its what, like 300?? Compared to 2539 (a good 10960 less applicants...) for medicine as first preference and its point range was 570-600.....


    Demand makes a difference, as does places for courses, but it's not entirely based on it....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭carlowboy


    Sean_K wrote: »
    Points are based on demand for courses.

    Along with what Fibonacci said, it's also based on what points the university wants their course to be. For example, computer applications in DCU. There are 300 places on the course but there were only 100 places filled this year as they didn't want the points for the course to dip below 300 points.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭Kelso


    As a final year law student, I have to say some of the comments in this thread about the workload are a massive exageration. Most law students will do very little work outside the 12 hours of lectures during the week and then cram the whole month or so before the end of year exams. It's not really difficult, just as long as you can put the head down for a bit and soak up all the info. You really don't have to read through that many cases, the majority will be adequately summarised in lectures, and the same goes for reading books. Basically if you attend all your lectures and know your notes really well, that is enough for top marks.
    As regards subjects to study for law, there's nothing really specific you need to have studied. Quite a few law students would have an interest in history, but it won't really benefit your study of law (certainly undergraduate) much.
    I also saw somebody commenting that there is no jobs for solicitors at the moment, this is just wrong. Yes there is a massive increase in the amount of people sitting the entrance exams, but if you get a good degree from a well respected college (NUI, Trinity etc) then you will get a job. The vast majority of my year who want to be solicitors have job offers.
    But as everyone is saying here, medicine and law are very different courses and the OP should really consider what they actually would like to do. A good few of my friends in college dropped out in first year due to picking the wrong course so make sure you get that right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 kellykl


    If you have to ask, I'd say neither! Neither are particulary easy career choices and involve long hours of work and study.
    So I wouldn't go into either unless you were really really interested in them, should be something that you really really want to do!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭nerd3000


    Jay P wrote: »
    I've said this before on boards. Do no go into law. Believe me, it is not enjoyable work. And believe me, you would be very lucky to get work these days. There is an absoute abundance os solicitors in Ireland. Medecine would be good if you love to help people. But don't do law. I have been told by any solicitor I have met not to do it.Seriously boring work.

    I know that is a few posts back but I just want to vent my frustration to this fella! Can I just ask, what experience do you have of the law trade? You have a word of mouth knowledge which clearly doesn't suffice in this instance. Firstly, you totally generalized the whole profession by saying "Don't be a solicitor, there are no jobs" Law is not solely solicitors, that's basically saying that ALL Medicine undergraduate's will be GP's!???

    What I found so disheartening about your post in particular was the way you painted the Law profession to be a dead end quagmire and that nobody should touch it with a barge pole. Anyone viewing your post/all the posts would immediately disregard Law when in actuality they may be perfect for the job. Law is hard-work but very yielding and Lawyers should have a natural drive for success and are willing to work hard to achieve. Law is enjoyable and one can easily reduce the banality. It's like life, it can be as fun as you make it!

    Furthermore, I find it really annoying how the whole country (i.e LC students this year) are so naive when it comes to choosing careers. The way I see it, Students nowadays want to do earn lots of money but are not prepared to work seriously hard for it. Law/Med etc are the highest points (means nothing) yet everyone says it's TOO hard, too boring and not worth it even though the money is potentially through the roof. But because it maybe tedious then one isn't attracted to it anymore? Students don't seem to want to move from their comfort zone's for fear of the "unknown". For example someone said " If you have to ask, I'd say neither! Neither are particularly easy career choices and involve long hours of work and study." Is it really too much to ask to study for 4 -5 hours to earn SERIOUS money?? If it is too much to ask then why are people craving money so badly??

    If you want anything in life then you should be more than prepared to work for it. You can't just breeze through everything and expect to live it up in a life of luxury at the same time. (Win the lotto is the only alternative!)

    This prestigious status came about because Medicine deals with saving people's lives and Law involves the obvious. It goes without saying that these are serious professions and deservedly attach prestige. One would hardly take a Lawyer/doctor seriously if he/she was out every weekend in clubs til 3 in the morn, off one's head on Tequila shots, now would they? Personally, I wouldn't want a surgeon opening me up with a hangover from a hard weekend on the beer!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Carsinian Thau


    kellykl wrote: »
    If you have to ask, I'd say neither! Neither are particulary easy career choices and involve long hours of work and study.
    So I wouldn't go into either unless you were really really interested in them, should be something that you really really want to do!

    This is completely true.

    While it's possible that the OP has an interest in both, it sounds more like a "I think I'm smart, what high points course will I do to prove this to others?" situation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭aine-maire


    I'm just wondering why the only choices are medicine and law? Besides the fact that both these courses demand atmospherical points and a great level of dedication as well the widely perceived high status of the solicitor/barrister and doctor the two careers bear little in common. Seriously,this decision should be based on your own personality and interests as well as the lifestyle you yourself would like to lead, not on money or any supposed reverence which is associated with a certain job. Think about this now, rather than half way through your course, don't make a choice you'll regret!!
    Good luck,let us know how you get on :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭turgon


    stainluss wrote: »
    yes, both im just asking what topics (eg. politics etc) should you be interested in to enjoy either of these professions?

    If you like law > choose law

    If you like medicine > choose medicine

    If you like raping dogs > choose veterinary


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭peachystarr


    Medicine and Law are extremely different and the very fact that you picked these too career choices says a lot. The points for medicine are up near 600 while for law they are closer to the 510 mark which is a huge difference in itself.

    If your doing medicine because you want a line of letters after your name and the status that goes with the title Dr. , then chances are your extremely intelligent but prob wont make a very good doctor because if you have to ask what you should be interested in to enjoy these careers then I think you should rethink you course choice based on what your ACTUALLY interested in not what people tell you to be interested in.

    Law is a 3 year degree (4 if you do a language) then its a tough competition to get into Blackhall Place/Kings Inns and for those that do get in the failure rate is high so even if you do pass your starting at the bottom and its a struggle uphill from there (unless of course you know someone willing to take you on say a parent aunt of uncle then you've hit the jackpot)

    Either way I dont think your suited to either if your asking such questions.


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