Liquid Egg Whites.

StormWarrior

I'm trying to gain muscle fast. My only problem is the lack of protein in my diet. I can't really stand any animal products except for eggs. I don't want to eat more than 2 eggs a day though, because of the fat and cholesterol. Has anyone tried heat-treated liquid egg whites (I'm not talking about raw eggs here.) If so, tell me about them. What did it taste like, did you find it a good source of protein, etc?

Tar.Aldarion

It is basically protein and water. So eh, a good source of protein.
Never had them, no. Just cook eggs and don't eat the yolks if you don't like them, although the yolks aren't that bad for you etc.

Al_Fernz

SW,

Are you aware that you can get a utensil that allows you to crack an egg into it and it separates the yolk from the white? Much cheaper than liquid egg whites if you plan on eating a lot of them.

You will struggle to gain muscle if you don't have a lot of protein sources in your diet. Make sure to stock up on nuts, cheese, cottage cheese, milk and beans if your a vegetarian. A protein supp may be appropriate for your goals too.

StormWarrior

Al_Fernz wrote: »

SW,

Are you aware that you can get a utensil that allows you to crack an egg into it and it separates the yolk from the white? Much cheaper than liquid egg whites if you plan on eating a lot of them.

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But then they won't be heat treated to get rid of salmonella. I don't want to cook them as that makes the protein less absorbable.

rubadub

StormWarrior wrote: »

Al_Fernz wrote: »

I don't want to cook them as that makes the protein less absorbable.

Wrong, it is the other way around.

Leave raw eggs and knuckle pushups to rocky.

StormWarrior

rubadub wrote: »

StormWarrior wrote: »

Wrong, it is the other way around.

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That's not what every bodybuilding site I've just been looking at says. From where did you get this information?

Tar.Aldarion

It's commonly known.
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/10/1716

StormWarrior

Could you post a link? I can't find any site that says so. Anyway, I'm not talking about raw egg whites, like I said, they've been heat treated just not cooked.

Tar.Aldarion

I edited my post above. For raw egg it is 51% bioavailable, for cooked it is 91%. Big difference.

StormWarrior

Like I said they're not raw, they are heat treated to kill the avidin and salmonella. Hasn't anyone ever tried them?

Roper

Are you reading the responses? Cooked is better.

Also for readily available protein drink milk

StormWarrior

All the websites I've looked at say if you cook the eggs you only absorb about 80% or less of the protein, but if they are liquid you absorb 100%.

nibble

Also to the OP, dietery cholesterol does not impact blood cholesterol so you can eat as many eggs as you want and yes just cook 'em. Smoking, genetics and lots of other things impact LDL cholesterol levels but not cholesterol or fat intake.
Oh and BTW there's nothing wrong with fats (yes even saturated), they're just as important as protein and carbs.
Any reason you don't eat meat? Because really meats are the best whole source of protein IMO.

StormWarrior

I just can't stand meat. It makes me gag and I can't stop thinking about where it comes from. I can't set foot in a butchers shop. The thing is, to get as much protein as I want I would have to eat tons of eggs, and since I want to burn fat, I don't want to eat more than 2 whole eggs per day.

Tar.Aldarion

StormWarrior wrote: »

All the websites I've looked at say if you cook the eggs you only absorb about 80% or less of the protein, but if they are liquid you absorb 100%.

Did you read my link? Or wiki? :-)

Any reason you don't eat meat? Because really meats are the best whole source of protein IMO.

How are they different from any other source of protein? Tofu has a lot.
Also:

Nutrition wise, imitation meat is comparable to animal meat, however they rarely contain the same levels of saturated fat and can often contain valuable minerals and vitamins while still containing approximately the same levels of protein as animal meats.

nibble

StormWarrior wrote: »

I just can't stand meat. It makes me gag and I can't stop thinking about where it comes from. I can't set foot in a butchers shop. The thing is, to get as much protein as I want I would have to eat tons of eggs, and since I want to burn fat, I don't want to eat more than 2 whole eggs per day.

Why not?

nibble

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

How are they different from any other source of protein? Tofu has a lot.
Also:

Plant sources don't contain all the amino acids that animal sources do, not saying it isn't good for upping the protein intake but I wouldn't rely on it.

StormWarrior

Here is an example quote from one of the many websites I've looked at:

Our 100% pure liquid egg whites from Egg Whites International are heat pasteurized and salmonella tested. The pasteurization process heats the egg white to 134 degrees for 3 ½ minutes. This heat kills the salmonella and neutralizes the Avidin to allow the egg whites to be digested safely by the human body. When you cook an egg white to the point of scrambled eggs, you are overcooking the protein and denaturing the true value of the protein. Therefore, 100% Pure Liquid Egg Whites are liquid but not raw, making them the purest form of protein, known to man, In The Entire World

StormWarrior

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Did you read my link? Or wiki?

Well I looked at it, but it was far too complicated for me to get, I'm afraid. Anyway, that page was talking about raw vs cooked, the liquid egg whites I'm on about are neither raw nor cooked.

StormWarrior

nibble wrote: »

Why not?

Because eating about 20 or more eggs a day will have too much fat. I need to burn fat.

nibble

StormWarrior wrote: »

Here is an example quote from one of the many websites I've looked at:

Our 100% pure liquid egg whites from Egg Whites International are heat pasteurized and salmonella tested. The pasteurization process heats the egg white to 134 degrees for 3 ½ minutes. This heat kills the salmonella and neutralizes the Avidin to allow the egg whites to be digested safely by the human body. When you cook an egg white to the point of scrambled eggs, you are overcooking the protein and denaturing the true value of the protein. Therefore, 100% Pure Liquid Egg Whites are liquid but not raw, making them the purest form of protein, known to man, In The Entire World

But denaturing of Protein is in fact desirable...

Because eating about 20 or more eggs a day will have too much fat. I need to burn fat.

Dietary fat most positively definately does not = bodyfat. Fat is broken down by your body and used for a myriad of very important things in your body and it can be used as a source of energy too, it doesn't just stick to your gut.. An excess amount of calories and no activity leads to fat gain, not eating fats (within reason, of course).

StormWarrior

why?

Tar.Aldarion

nibble wrote: »

Plant sources don't contain all the amino acids that animal sources do, not saying it isn't good for upping the protein intake but I wouldn't rely on it.

Well, that is wrong.

nibble

StormWarrior wrote: »

why?

Honestly there's evidence to say each is better than the other, but I know which I'd prefer to eat. If you want to eat raw eggs do, there's nothing wrong with them but I'd bet it would make zero difference to your goals whether you ate raw or cooked.

nibble

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Well, that is wrong.

No it's really not wrong, you can get all the essential amino's by eating multiple plant sources but none contain all of them;).

Tar.Aldarion

I thought there was evidence, that paper I linked to etc

nibble

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

I thought there was evidence, that paper I linked to etc

Evidence of what? Are we talking eggs here again?

Tar.Aldarion

nibble wrote: »

No it's really not wrong, you can get all the essential amino's by eating multiple plant sources but none contain all of them;).

What about soy stuff?


(Also, I originally thought you were referring to plant sources as in just using no animal products in general, originally.

Tar.Aldarion

nibble wrote: »

Evidence of what? Are we talking eggs here again?

Eggs, yes.

EDIT: Btw OP, you should eat a lot of spinach.

nibble

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

What about soy stuff?


(Also, I originally thought you were referring to plant sources as in just using no animal products in general, originally.

Actually yes you're right soy does have a complete amino acid profile, so it would be one of the few plants that do, just found that out right now!
But there is evidence to show that soy raises estrogen levels in males, and if you want to be anabolic that aint good (if it is indeed true, obviously).

Honestly OP: EAT THE EGGS HOW YOU WANT

StormWarrior

why spinach?

Tar.Aldarion

Too much of anything is never good!
It seems everything will give you cancer. :-)

StormWarrior

Thanks I'll be sure to stock up on those.

Tar.Aldarion

StormWarrior wrote: »

why spinach?

I believe both spinach and broccoli are very high in protein and have some other nutrients and are low in fat.
They are called super foods by some people...

nibble

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Too much of anything is never good!
It seems everything will give you cancer. :-)

Aye, I wouldn't worry too much.

OP I suggest posting a new thread and throw up your diet and routine so everyone can give you a hand, it's hard to say what you should do without knowing how good the rest of your diet is. And if you have a crap workout well all that diet tweaking will be in vain.

Tar.Aldarion

StormWarrior wrote: »

Thanks I'll be sure to stock up on those.

Lol, did you think I wanted to give you cancer? :P

Esse85

Al_Fernz wrote: »

SW,

Are you aware that you can get a utensil that allows you to crack an egg into it and it separates the yolk from the white? Much cheaper than liquid egg whites if you plan on eating a lot of them.

You will struggle to gain muscle if you don't have a lot of protein sources in your diet. Make sure to stock up on nuts, cheese, cottage cheese, milk and beans if your a vegetarian. A protein supp may be appropriate for your goals too.

Where can one of these utensil's be bought.

There was a previous thread about the availability of buying egg whites in Ireland, however i dont think anywhere in Rep Ireland sells them, if im wrong please inform me.

Roper

StormWarrior wrote: »

Here is an example quote from one of the many websites I've looked at:

Our 100% pure liquid egg whites from Egg Whites International are heat pasteurized and salmonella tested. The pasteurization process heats the egg white to 134 degrees for 3 ½ minutes. This heat kills the salmonella and neutralizes the Avidin to allow the egg whites to be digested safely by the human body. When you cook an egg white to the point of scrambled eggs, you are overcooking the protein and denaturing the true value of the protein. Therefore, 100% Pure Liquid Egg Whites are liquid but not raw, making them the purest form of protein, known to man, In The Entire World

Yeah I think I see the problem here. You're reading an advertisement, on the internet, which means they can say what they want to sell their product (in this case their egg whites) and get away with it.

If you want to put on muscle, you HAVE to put on some fat. Eating 2 eggs a day as your total protein source is extremely poor I've had 4 eggs today already and it's only 12 o'clock

If you're quasi-veggie you are going to have problems, but eggs, whey, milk are all good if you want to put on mass. You'll just have to take some interim fat on board and if you want those abs to show, cut it off later.

Tar.Aldarion

Email this guy OP.
http://ksteveh.tripod.com/pearl.html
:-p

tallaght01

nibble wrote: »

Also to the OP, dietery cholesterol does not impact blood cholesterol so you can eat as many eggs as you want and yes just cook 'em. Smoking, genetics and lots of other things impact LDL cholesterol levels but not cholesterol or fat intake.
Oh and BTW there's nothing wrong with fats (yes even saturated), they're just as important as protein and carbs.
Any reason you don't eat meat? Because really meats are the best whole source of protein IMO.

Now this is dangerous advice.

Dietary fat most certainly does impact on cholesterol levels. Obesity is a well known risk factor for high cholesterol.

True, other factors do influence your cholesterol, but telling people that dietary sources don't impact on it is plain wrong.

There's lots wrong with saturated fats. They're needed in very small quantities, but after that they're of no use.

BossArky

Other great sources of protein: almonds, chicken, tuna, milk

Other great sources of good fats: almonds, avocada

Al_Fernz

Esse85 wrote: »

Where can one of these utensil's be bought.

There was a previous thread about the availability of buying egg whites in Ireland, however i dont think anywhere in Rep Ireland sells them, if im wrong please inform me.

I'd say you would get them in most department stores i.e Dunnes Stores etc.

Here's one I found on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Pedrini-Black-Satin-Stainless-Separator/dp/B0000959ET

I love the chrome finish.:D


This thread has descended into a farce. OP you are making things too complicated for yourself.

These heat-treated mass-infusing super-duper egg whites or whatever there called sound like a load of rubbish. If you want to gain muscle mass you need to focus on your training and getting your kcals and protein in from quality sources as suggested.

Being pedantic over insignificant details like bio-availability %'s and LDL cholesterol will achieve nothing.

nibble

tallaght01 wrote: »

Now this is dangerous advice.

Dietary fat most certainly does impact on cholesterol levels. Obesity is a well known risk factor for high cholesterol.

True, other factors do influence your cholesterol, but telling people that dietary sources don't impact on it is plain wrong.

There's lots wrong with saturated fats. They're needed in very small quantities, but after that they're of no use.

Yes obesity is, but obesity is not directly linked fat intake, within reason of course i.e. if you ate a very large amount of fats leading to a major calorie surplus then you would become obese. More and more evidence shows that saturated fats are not bad for you at all, in fact maybe even more important than polys/monos. Saturated fat has also been shown to keep test levels up in males.

Think about it, a lot of natural sources of protien like meat and eggs are relatively high in sat fats, now these are things that would naturally form a major part of our diet, if this is the case how could they "bad" for you?

Ok fair enough diet of course will impact but if you have a reasonably healthy one and excersise blood cholesterol shouldn't be an issue.

Tar.Aldarion

Think about it, a lot of natural sources of protien like meat and eggs are relatively high in sat fats, now these are things that would naturally form a major part of our diet, if this is the case how could they "bad" for you?

If they are a large part of peoples diets that does not mean they shoulod be, or that it is not bad for you. look at the amount of people that die from heart disease, it's insane.
Of course you need them, just very little.

nibble

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

If they are a large part of peoples diets that does not mean they shoulod be, or that it is not bad for you. look at the amount of people that die from heart disease, it's insane.
Of course you need them, just very little.

By part of peoples diets I mean as in historically what humans would have hunted, before farming meat was the primary source of nutrition for people. Did prehistoric man all have high cholesterol levels and die of heart disease? I don't think so...
Look at the people that die of heart disease, are they active people who eat a good variety of healthy, natural foods and just also happen to have a high sat fat intake? Or for the most part are they people with a piss poor diet and little/no excersise who smoke 30 a day?

I'm not trying to push anything here everyone can make up their own mind, but you won't see me drinking low fat milk or trying to avoid beef as if it was the devil..

tallaght01

Yes, tiny amounts are fine.

But that's very different to:

nibble wrote: »

dietery cholesterol does not impact blood cholesterol so you can eat as many eggs as you want and yes just cook 'em. Smoking, genetics and lots of other things impact LDL cholesterol levels but not cholesterol or fat intake.

nibble wrote: »

Yes obesity is, but obesity is not directly linked fat intake, within reason of course i.e. if you ate a very large amount of fats leading to a major calorie surplus then you would become obese. More and more evidence shows that saturated fats are not bad for you at all, in fact maybe even more important than polys/monos. Saturated fat has also been shown to keep test levels up in males.

Think about it, a lot of natural sources of protien like meat and eggs are relatively high in sat fats, now these are things that would naturally form a major part of our diet, if this is the case how could they "bad" for you?

Ok fair enough diet of course will impact but if you have a reasonably healthy one and excersise blood cholesterol shouldn't be an issue.

A high fat intak very much puts you at risk of obesity.

What's the evidence that saturated fats aren't bad for you?

A diet very high in meat and eggs will put you at risk of coronary heart disease and stroke. Not to mention high cholesterol.

Tar.Aldarion

nibble wrote: »

By part of peoples diets I mean as in historically what humans would have hunted, before farming meat was the primary source of nutrition for people. Did prehistoric man all have high cholesterol levels and die of heart disease? I don't think so...

That is because they were scavangers, you can't exactly get huge amounts of saturated fat when you have to hunt for your own food every day and live with poeple you have to share it with.

Look at the people that die of heart disease, are they active people who eat a good variety of healthy, natural foods and just also happen to have a high sat fat intake? Or for the most part are they people with a piss poor diet and little/no excersise who smoke 30 a day?

It is such a huge percentage of people in a lot of countries that you can't really generalize about what they do.
Do I know of people who ate loads of red meat, high sat diets... but had a good variety of food etc, led very active lives, exercise et al and died from heart disease and cancer thought to be caused by this diet, yes.

I'm not trying to push anything here everyone can make up their own mind, but you won't see me drinking low fat milk or trying to avoid beef as if it was the devil..

You don't have to avoid it, people eat too much of it in general.

nibble

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat
The contrary research has some info, yes Wikipedia I know..
Saturated fats have been shown to regulate test and other hormones, don't have the link to the paper though...

Anyway I'm not saying to eat loads of saturates or anything, just not to shun them they are just as important as any other fat. And Tar.Aldarion do you actually know people who genuinely led active lives with healthy diets that died because of high sat intake? And you know people that died of cancer from eating sat fat/red meat and actually have proof of that? Because I find that very hard to believe.

I'm not trying to come across as a know it all because I certainly don't, but I'm an honest believer in a balanced diet that consists of red meat and sat fats along with heavy lifting . If I get a stroke I'll let you guys know.

tallaght01

wikipedia indeed

anyway, if you're now saying that saturated fats in low quantities are fine, then I agree.

if you're still saying that det plays no part in high cholesterol, heart disease/stroke, then you're definitely wrong.

rubadub

tallaght01 wrote: »

What's the evidence that saturated fats aren't bad for you?

I would have presumed they were bad, it is drilled in by the media/marketing, and I could not see a reason to lie. This is why this thread surprised me
Coconut Oil- good choice?

I was also surprised at reading people against the "food pyramid" too, and how the pyramid came about in the first place.

Mikel

it is drilled in by the media/marketing, and I could not see a reason to lie

if anyone here is in advertising or marketing, kill yourself