bitching about time wasters

remo2

Dont know if its the right place to post a bitching add but it is bands & musicians, and there's plenty of TIME WASTERS in here so here go's

To all musicians that reply to add's posts threads or whatever
when bands or musicians are looking for personnel for their band,

listen carefully.............. when a band ask's in their add, for no TIME WASTERS this means

dont reply to the add unless your going too turn up for an audition and then if you get the position that you have the commitment
and time for your new band
some band's have to pay money yes money for rehearsal room's so get yous'er finger out and cop-on

and stop WASTING bands/people's time money and energy

i think real musicians that dont waste peoples time. should post time wasters names nicknames so we can weed out the WASTERS so they will have to work at getting thier name off the TIME WASTERS list dont know how its going to work its just an idea

because i have about 24 nicknames and names of people in here that are wasters

regards

p.s words to look up in your dictionary ie, waster, audition, band, commitment, musician, audition, rehearsal
look up the meaning and remember it

I think public boards like this would be great, but i think not so in finding real musicians,
like many years ago there was notting like putting an add up on musicmaker wall with yor little bit of sello-tape where you find REAL musicians

haha boards.ie are going to love for this one

unclebill98

+1

Vanhalensarmpit

I Thoroughly agree with all the points raised, and I think it is a post that should be read by ALL who browse these forums. I am not ass kissing as I am probably on Remo's crap list but sometimes situations do genuinely occur where people cant make appointments. (Remo, I ended up in Beaumount:()

I gather that with the anonymity the internet offers, people get excited etc when reading/responding to posts and "jump the gun" so to speak. There will always be Tire kickers as such and it is a pity that the end result is disillusionment for someone who bothered to try and do something creative with their time.
Anyway, thanks for posting Remo, Good luck with your hunt.

remo2

thanks vanhelen

i know theirs some Genuine resons for not turning up for an audition. but when you get 90percent of people not turning up its a bit of a bummer

cheers and thanks for your reply

get well soon.:)

nyarlothothep

100% agreement. Theres way too many timewasters/egos. Its a major problem. Though people can turn up to a practice and personalities don't mix. Thats understandable although its curious that many/99% musicians happen to be difficult to get along with (ie they speak very little and put on a holier than thou attitude=music store snobs). Really annoying.

Savman

There is an abundance of musically talented folk in this country, however the unfortunate truth is that most will never amount to anything simply due to their attitude.

You have to bust yer ass and you get your just rewards.

Don't get me started on audition no-shows :mad:

Baggio

Yeah its no bad thing for folks to know who NOT to expect to turn up for sure, name and shame is a goood idea...but some folks DO have REAL reasons for not showing...so Im almost always giving the benefit of the doubt to most non showers...so there ya go......personally I'm fine with my bandmates...we're rehearsing away to start back live in next month or two...so have no beef myself with anyone...
...........but its that whole "i can do this/that listen to my samples" thing and theyre just sooooo unreliable in reality...it reallly grates me ......someone said before i was being bitter through "not making it" bla bla..that made me laugh...ive no interest in "making it in the music business!",,,,,,i just play drums and get paid for it ...so far! ........so again theres no personall soreness involved here just basic annoyance at bluffers,,and the fact that again as i said before....its almost a disadvantage if yur any goood as singers in particular seem scared of trying out for a goood band...its easier to shine with a bunch of avereage joes perhaps.....still its even worse when no shows happen.......thats my 2 cents worth anyway.

ciao' amigos....Baggio............

henessjon

thats a great rant here...

and probably justified..

so who is looking for rhythm guitarist.

Yap Stam

YOU FORGOT TO MENTION PHONE BILLS!!!
I've often ended up spending 10 EUR on trying to arrange auditions, total pain in the mickey.

Fairly sh1t- but I guess thats just the way things are. One girl sent me lyrics she had written, asking for my opinion, then she sent me music she had made and went into great detail about what she wanted to do; and then didn't bother turning up for the audition.

Lauragoesmad

well dont worry Stam, I'll be seein ya at 6!;)

la79

Hi,

I completely agree, I have done a lot of auditions over the last few weeks, as people did NOT turn up......and it has cost me a lot of time and money, so needless to say, thanks for the rant space......

I have got messages for so many people, one in particular, "you have found what your looking for" and they didn’t even show up...imagine.

The way I see it is they have lost out on a good opportunity, and won’t get many other offers in this country. Don't get me wrong, as one of you said there are some genuine people who could not make it, but they have the decency to contact you beforehand.

Anyway I hope all of you guys have more look than me. I better say thank you to all the girls who did show up, and had genuine talent.

Jelly 292

+10000


I have plenty of nicknames from boards I would warn people against.

We got there in the end tho.Because of boards.

As a positive note - I’ve been using boards as a music contact for 5 years and have been in a few great bands because of it and have a good few musicians/contacts/friends.

U just have to dig through a lot of delusional, inexperienced fools since this whole Your a star/pop idol/ everyone’s a superstar/ sh!te over the last few years started.

I think this pop/celeb culture is behind a lot of these muppets ideas of themselves and the fact them invaded a space normaly inhabited by folks with a bit of ability at least.


phew.feel better.now.

Rigsby

I agree with everything said so far. I suppose advertising for anything is a lottery - you can be lucky or not.

On the positive side, it's better to find out at the start if people are unreliable, though I agree it's frustrating when you get messed around.

la79

Hi Jelly292,

So you found someone in the end? thats good.... I wish I was that lucky.. But I think I am almost there.. good luck with the band.

Jelly 292 wrote: »

+10000


I have plenty of nicknames from boards I would warn people against.

We got there in the end tho.Because of boards.

As a positive note - I’ve been using boards as a music contact for 5 years and have been in a few great bands because of it and have a good few musicians/contacts/friends.

U just have to dig through a lot of delusional, inexperienced fools since this whole Your a star/pop idol/ everyone’s a superstar/ sh!te over the last few years started.

I think this pop/celeb culture is behind a lot of these muppets ideas of themselves and the fact them invaded a space normaly inhabited by folks with a bit of ability at least.


phew.feel better.now.

remo2

thats it people get it off your chest. tea and biscuits will be served shortly

he-he

Tommy the Cat

About time someone mentioned this.

Seziertisch

The sad reality reality is that there are huge numbers of space cadets out there.

From people that are really keen right up until the last minute to people with the wildest ambitions/visions about the kind of music that they want to make, but having no clue as to how they would go about doing it.

Another problem, I find, is that a lot of people entertain the notion that "art" and "work" are mutually exclusive i.e. if you have to work at it, it ceases to be "art". Which, of course, is complete bull****.

From my own experience I would say that it is probably better to meet up with someone face to face before going booking rehearsal time. A lot of times, 5 minutes in someone's company is enough to tell whether or not they are generally the kind of person you are looking for, regardless of their capabilities as a musician.

raindog.promo

It works both ways lads,

I've answered ads where the original poster then wants me to organise the whole jam or make my way over to their house to jam in the back of beyond. Posting an ad and saying no time wasters means you need to get off your own hole as well. If anything's gonna work everyone's gotta put in a lot of effort.

Getting a band off the ground is the hardest thing. getting to know how someone else plays takes a while and fitting in with those around you takes at least a month or so, depending on how often you're gonna play per week.

The other thing that pissed me off trying to put a band together was other band members expecting to pay less then a tenner or something for a jam. or quitting on the spur of the moment, leaving you footing the bill for rehearsals, i've been burned of over 100 quid on that one.

raindog.promo

Seziertisch wrote: »

From my own experience I would say that it is probably better to meet up with someone face to face before going booking rehearsal time. A lot of times, 5 minutes in someone's company is enough to tell whether or not they are generally the kind of person you are looking for, regardless of their capabilities as a musician.

that's a very good idea.

nyarlothothep

Rigsby wrote: »

I agree with everything said so far. I suppose advertising for anything is a lottery - you can be lucky or not.

On the positive side, it's better to find out at the start if people are unreliable, though I agree it's frustrating when you get messed around.

yes its exactly like a lottery, one in a million=straight misses for close to eternity ie 4 million years.

Rigsby

nyarlothothep wrote: »

yes its exactly like a lottery, one in a million=straight misses for close to eternity ie 4 million years.

.......... but you have to keep on trying 'till you hit the jackpot. No sense being pessimistic

unclebill98

Well I think the like of them "X Factor" shows have a lot to answer for.

Mainly when your looking for singers etc... they have this really strange way of auditioning etc....

I really would love to record them and have the band sitting at a table all Simon Cowell like and see what happens.

remo2

unclebill98 wrote: »

Well I think the like of them "X Factor" shows have a lot to answer for.

Mainly when your looking for singers etc... they have this really strange way of auditioning etc....

I really would love to record them and have the band sitting at a table all Simon Cowell like and see what happens.

yeah and let the singers rent the room ha ha ha ha

in saying that how come simon cowbell gets to audition tree thousand people
even if there all crap at least you'll get a laugh out of some of them

you dont have to answer that i know

nyarlothothep

Rigsby wrote: »

.......... but you have to keep on trying 'till you hit the jackpot. No sense being pessimistic

True, though 2 years of searching and no results is a bit bleak.

tj-music.com

remo2 wrote: »

Dont know if its the right place to post a bitching add but it is bands & musicians, and there's plenty of TIME WASTERS in here so here go's

To all musicians that reply to add's posts threads or whatever
when bands or musicians are looking for personnel for their band,

listen carefully.............. when a band ask's in their add, for no TIME WASTERS this means

dont reply to the add unless your going too turn up for an audition and then if you get the position that you have the commitment
and time for your new band
some band's have to pay money yes money for rehearsal room's so get yous'er finger out and cop-on

and stop WASTING bands/people's time money and energy

i think real musicians that dont waste peoples time. should post time wasters names nicknames so we can weed out the WASTERS so they will have to work at getting thier name off the TIME WASTERS list dont know how its going to work its just an idea

because i have about 24 nicknames and names of people in here that are wasters

regards

p.s words to look up in your dictionary ie, waster, audition, band, commitment, musician, audition, rehearsal
look up the meaning and remember it

I think public boards like this would be great, but i think not so in finding real musicians,
like many years ago there was notting like putting an add up on musicmaker wall with yor little bit of sello-tape where you find REAL musicians

haha boards.ie are going to love for this one

Agree 150%

Rigsby

remo2 wrote: »

I think public boards like this would be great, but i think not so in finding real musicians,

Dont shoot the messenger !

remo2

Rigsby wrote: »

Dont shoot the messenger !

thats true rigsby:o

Jelly 292

Lads its not totally hopeless here. But Id say its about 1 in 10 from first contact thru to being anyway decent on what ever they do. The other 9 are deluded wannabe's, singers,guitar players what ever.

Its just about worth it for the 1 in 10 u do meet.Must keep positive:rolleyes:

nsonline

The way I see it, you post an ad for example...

Bassist Wanted into oasis-beatles-stone roses-the la's-the verve
age 20-30 etc......

and someone replies saying "that sounds amazing or some other bull**** kiss ass expression". You meet up for a jam and they start playing speed metal riffs over a ****ing stone roses tune or slap bass to oasis. Every person I've met with from this site has been a million miles from what they describe themselves as (unfortunately there is no real alternative) bassists who cant play, singers who cant sing etc..... the only place to find decent musicians is on stage in venues around dublin. To sum it up, go to gigs, watch a few bands if you think you can do better ask your target to join you, some people are in multiple bands, you are more likely to get a proper musician at a gig than from here or a wall in some music shop.

END

Jelly 292

Bassist Wanted into oasis-beatles-stone roses-the la's-the verve
age 20-30 etc......

you said it, most adds here are so fuking generic its a joke. How many depressed saps here think they are the next Jeff Buckly?

Heres my song- que E A Bm, I had a bird, she left me, ill kill myself
(do it do it do it)

Not that Im a cynic at all....

la79

Hi,

I think I will give up looking for a singer here....:p

But thanks for the bitchin session....

Jelly 292

Hi,

I think I will give up looking for a singer here....

But thanks for the bitchin session....

To be fair, I have a lot of venom for time wasters but if you read my posts:

Essentially - "If you dig thru the crap there are some talented people here"

Its folks who reply with if,buts and maybes who are the deal killers.

but if you do decide to go, where exactly is this Nirvana you will run to? this is as good as it gets for random recruitment in Ireland I think.

la79

Jelly 292 wrote: »

To be fair, I have a lot of venom for time waters but if you read my posts:

Essentially - "If you dig thru the crap there are some talented people here"

Its folks who reply with if,buts and maybes who are the deal killers.

but if you do decide to go, where exactly is this Nirvana you will run to? this is as good as it gets for random recruitment in Ireland I think.

Yea your right..I wouldnt mind if I didnt get a responce, what annoyed me more is I got loads of responces, but most of them didnt turn up...
I know I contacted yourself when you were doing auditions, but before I went ahead and got into anything, I emailed you and advised you of what I was doing, as I could not have done both.
ah well I found one girl I liked, and I might be going with her, so if it works out, it will be worth it.

Jelly 292

ah well I found one girl I liked, and I might be going with her, so if it works out, it will be worth it.

Thats the spirit, Journey said it best, Don’t stop believing , etc etc

chillyspoon

Jelly 292 wrote: »

Thats the spirit, Journey said it best, Don’t stop believing , etc etc

Cool - everything can be answered with a Journey quote!!!

I agree to most of what's been said by the way, A few years ago I spent a two year period looking to form a new band, jamming with various different people (mostly from an ad in the Buy and Sell), only one matched up with what they said they could do.

If you've got something good going with some mates when you are young, don't be too quick to throw it away, most of it really is a matter of attitude and hard graft! .. and replacing even one person can be a nightmare. Trying to find someone who can slot in and meld with a well defined sound can be so tricky; as can remembering that it's got to be a two way street for compromise.

Good topic to raise by the way - a healthy venting outlet!

Malice

remo2 wrote: »

rant

Well said Remo, I agree 100% with what you said!

Pusshead

Wow... that's a lot of bitching.. how about people who turn up to auditions only to find out that the organiser's a complete ****ebag and his songs/playing & everything negative is sub par sludge .. especially frustrating is when the auditionees have been led to believe it's something great from all the bull**** the organiser has fed them.

There's two sides to every story.

If you were all so professional, you wouldnt be advertising here.:eek:

Give me a break...

AndyTheDude

Pusshead wrote: »

If you were all so professional, you wouldnt be advertising here.

Why not?

Malice

Pusshead wrote: »

Wow... that's a lot of bitching.. how about people who turn up to auditions only to find out that the organiser's a complete ****ebag and his songs/playing & everything negative is sub par sludge ..

Personally I wouldn't dream of turning up to an audition unless I had heard some music that the organiser had recorded. Now, it doesn't have to be a pristine studio recording but it should still be clear enough that the listener can understand the musical ideas being portrayed.

Pusshead wrote:

especially frustrating is when the auditionees have been led to believe it's something great from all the bull**** the organiser has fed them.

Agreed. Cutting through the rubbish that someone is spouting is a skill. I suppose as you go through life you learn to recognise when someone is talking through their rear end .

Pusshead wrote:

If you were all so professional, you wouldnt be advertising here.

Who said anything about being professional? Personally I play music as a hobby.

Jelly 292

If you were all so professional, you wouldnt be advertising here.

Give me a break...

Get real mate, find me a musicians board that has more traffic and Ill use that instead.Duh.

Rigsby

So, guys, after forty posts, apart from getting things off our collective chests are we any wiser as to what we can do about these time wasters. Personally I dont think much can be done.

EightyEight

Why not meet up first for a pre-audition chat to find out what they are looking for and explain clearly about the time, availability and committment that you require and just and take it from there if you want to.

No pressure then and no valuable time wasting.
88

Rigsby

EightyEight wrote: »

Why not meet up first for a pre-audition chat

Can you be sure they'll turn up for that ??

raindog.promo

Better they don't turn up for that then a rented rehearsal time for audition.

Rigsby

raindog.promo wrote: »

Better they don't turn up for that then a rented rehearsal time for audition.

Agreed. But they are still wasting your time. I suppose if a certain time was agreed and you waited ten minutes after that time it would be ok ( still frustrating though :mad: ).

unclebill98

EightyEight wrote: »

Why not meet up first for a pre-audition chat to find out what they are looking for and explain clearly about the time, availability and committment that you require and just and take it from there if you want to.

No pressure then and no valuable time wasting.
88

Ok, so now your giving someone the chance to waste your time twice!

You explain everything they say yes. Then turn up for a jam and are ****e...

No thanks.

raindog.promo

unclebill98 wrote: »

Ok, so now your giving someone the chance to waste your time twice!

You explain everything they say yes. Then turn up for a jam and are ****e...

No thanks.

That's the chance you take. And these types of things happen in every walk of life. I've turned up for job interviews and received no notification either way which way the interview had gone.

I'm sure there's a large enough number of no replies when people reply to these drummer / bassist / wanted ads.

I do think your best chance of getting a decent musician for your band is getting out there and talking to people. "pressing the flesh" so to speak.

I do think as well that it is quite hard in Dublin to find people that are willing to get off their arse and put some effort in.
I'm guilty of all the above myself.

Lauragoesmad

raindog.promo wrote: »

And these types of things happen in every walk of life. I've turned up for job interviews and received no notification either way which way the interview had gone.

Funny enough, someone on this very thread who was giving out about time wasters did that exact thing and asked everyone at the audition to keep Monday free but yet did not get back to them. Shoddy! He should have let people know either way.

Rigsby

raindog.promo wrote: »

I do think as well that it is quite hard in Dublin to find people that are willing to get off their arse and put some effort in.

I agree. Though what baffles me is why do they bother their arse advertising or replying in the first place.

MonkeyTennis

i think bear in mind a 50% no show rate.

If you have patience why not arrange to meet for a pint or a coffee before studio time. You'll quickly rule out people that are just unsuitable after 5 mins meeting them.

Spicy Lauren

Name and shame I say!