Wives, Girlfriends,ladies

Gatling

being we have a summer league and another night op coming up soon ive decided to work on a new project,

Team Black Widow (provisional name )

the first all womens/ girls airsoft team in the country

who will regularly skirmish as a full time team ,

if anyone is intrested or know some one who is please contact me for more details

monksavage

Are you the first member?

kdouglas

full time eh? you gonna be paying them a salary?

i like the name

Gran Hermano

Hope the Irish retailers have spoken to their wholesalers and have
a container load of P90s on the way

Gatling

monksavage wrote: »

Are you the first member?

could be worse could own an svd as well

Gatling

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Hope the Irish retailers have spoken to their wholesalers and have
a container load of P90s on the way

there is a lot of women buying aegs lately looking to get involved in airsoft

Gizmodeon

Hope the Irish retailers have spoken to their wholesalers and have
a container load of P90s on the way

cheers man, real mature :rolleyes:

CrazyRabbit

Gizmo....you could be a team of 1 and still kick arse in a team vs team game.

(She paid me to say that)

kinkstr

Gatling wrote: »

could be worse could own an svd as well

Then you would look like a fairy:)

Arcto

Honest question (not taking the piss), if there is so many why did you have to make the team/anouncment?


And ive allways wondered....why do we have these "female" airsofter threads. Surely in this day and age we dont need them. Women are just as good at anything men can do (except drumming ) so the segragation (spelling?) is unescicery (horribly spelled).

EDIT: Wait i just realised something. Gatling i have no idea weather (rainy weather.....cause i am a **** speller....and after this....my grammer has gone too) your male or female. I just made an assumption. My bad

Alvin T. Grey

Arcto wrote: »

Honest question (not taking the piss), if there is so many why did you have to make the team/anouncment?


And ive allways wondered....why do we have these "female" airsofter threads. Surely in this day and age we dont need them. Women are just as good at anything men can do (except drumming ) so the segragation (spelling?) is unescicery (horribly spelled).

EDIT: Wait i just realised something. Gatling i have no idea weather (rainy weather.....cause i am a **** speller....and after this....my grammer has gone too) your male or female. I just made an assumption. My bad

We know Gatling, and we still have that problem.

Gizmodeon

(except drumming )

oh...now you're in trouble!!
lets just say a carefully placed drum stick will fix that attitude

There is actually girls interested in this guys!

oh and cheers rabbit
(I'll pay you in bb's:D)
Sadly I won't be joining, I will always be a ghost:)

Hivemind187

Gatlings Angels huh?

(And up yours, P90's rock )

edit: Seriously though, there are a huge number of women out there who are more than capable of cutting you down in a hail of little white BB's and I suspect more than a few of them who are eager to do it. However, I agree with Arcto, this topic has come up before and descends in to stupid jokes which rapidly become offensive.

If you are wondering why there arent so many female players you might ask yourself if it has anything to do with thinking there is a need for "an all girl team" or that women somehow need to be helped in these things.

We all look the same through a red dot lads.

kevteljeur

Hivemind187 wrote: »

Gatlings Angels huh?

(And up yours, P90's rock )

edit: Seriously though, there are a huge number of women out there who are more than capable of cutting you down in a hail of little white BB's and I suspect more than a few of them who are eager to do it. However, I agree with Arcto, this topic has come up before and descends in to stupid jokes which rapidly become offensive.

If you are wondering why there arent so many female players you might ask yourself if it has anything to do with thinking there is a need for "an all girl team" or that women somehow need to be helped in these things.

We all look the same through a red dot lads.

I agree. I went up to MIA and bought some kit a few weeks ago, and my girlfriend ended up coming along. She wasn't too keen, but after seeing and holding a few AEGs and GBBs she thought she might have a go! But she was quite intimidated by the large number of serious, camo-clad blokes there (and I mean no offence, but that was probably a number of the blokes on this forum) and that put her off.

I don't think the answer is an all-female team, or drawing attention to needing to facilitate women, just getting interested women along on the day knowing there'll be more like-minded individuals, and selling the friendly, fun aspect of the game. I can guarantee you that most women are far more interested in being on a mixed team of people they know and trust than an all-female team of people they don't.

I think the military trappings and the endless Youtube videos of guys showing off their airsoft bruises and injuries puts off most women, while getting men interested. Put it this way, I myself was a little apprehensive to get involved just on the off-chance that airsoft turned out to be a bunch of shouty, testosterone-fueled Schwartzeneggers but it's a lot more good-natured than say, 5-a-side footie, you're all a sound bunch of friendly blokes who spend more time chatting at HRTA than shooting, and I think that's something that doesn't come across enough. It will come with time.

And as for the offensive jokes, there are some insecure blokes out there, and that sort of stuff keeps away guys and girls, without ever having set foot on an airsoft site. :mad:

Masada

i agree with the above and hives post, to have a girly team would be to single women out as if they are different and cant play like the rest f us.,
my other half will be comming along at some stage but an all girl team would be a little insulting id imagine.,

ED E

Gatling just about counts as a man, but he's not far from womanhood:p

monksavage

Gatling wrote: »

could be worse could own an svd as well

yeah too bad you lost that sale eh?:D:D:D:D

Mrs MaxForce

Gatling wrote: »

being we have a summer league and another night op coming up soon ive decided to work on a new project,

Team Black Widow (provisional name )

the first all womens/ girls airsoft team in the country

who will regularly skirmish as a full time team ,

if anyone is intrested or know some one who is please contact me for more details

i am in the process of setting up a galways ladies team as we speak

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Hope the Irish retailers have spoken to their wholesalers and have
a container load of P90s on the way

:mad:that is very mature mate i taught in this day and age that kind of attitude was gone seemingly not

vtec wrote: »

i agree with the above and hives post, to have a girly team would be to single women out as if they are different and cant play like the rest f us.,
my other half will be comming along at some stage but an all girl team would be a little insulting id imagine.,

nice to see a positive attitude and yes nice to see guys and girls on one team thats the way things should be

Captain Chaos

What's with the P90 comment. Is it an inside skirmish joke. I'm missing something here?

Silverfish

...... and here would be why I lost all interest in airsoft. Hurrah!

Boston

Giz, are you saying there's women you know seriously interested in playing on an all female team? If you where not in the Ghosts would you do it?

I think this type of thing is an extremely bad idea.

kdouglas

Silverfish wrote: »

...... and here would be why I lost all interest in airsoft. Hurrah!

If you've nothing worth contributing, dont bother posting, consider this a warning, next time it's a ban

Silverfish

Bit harsh, considering last time I contributed, it ended up in a lengthy discussion and it was agreed that overall, I was correct. It was a contribution. It was 'here is why I bought airsoft equipment yet...... lost interest because I'd be separated out'

Women are being treated like a flock of scared chickens here, they need to be herded into teams of other girls just so they don't cry or whatever the boys seem to think they will do?

I failed to see before, and still fail to see now, why all-girl teams are required for the 'wives girlfriends and ladies'. Why can it not just be mixed teams? Why the segregation?

Continue segregating them, and the boys will still be sitting here in 5 years time wondering why 'my missus won't come airsofting with me'

Its basically saying 'you're not good enough to play with us boys, go over there with the other girls and play with this my little pony gun. You'll love that. Be back later, honey'


Threatening to ban a female for giving a female opinion on this is a bit ridiculous and rendolent of the whole attitude that seems to come with this sport.

Boston

You're loss Silverfish. You've not played airsoft once to my knowledge and tarring us all in the same fashion is bound to piss some off. Gatlings heart is in the right place, but I still think its a terrible idea. I really can't think of any occasion where a female player has been disrespected while player at a site and I can only imagine the type of reaction that would get.

CrazyRabbit

kdouglas wrote: »

If you've nothing worth contributing, dont bother posting, consider this a warning, next time it's a ban

...I thought that a bit harsh as well. Silverfish was merely pointing out that all this 'ladies teams' stuff is what turned her away from airsoft. I personally think the comment she made was the most relevant comment in the whole thread.

It's bad enough that we segregate younger players by having junior teams for them (Sorry Johnny, but yeah I don't agree the the White Skulls concept), but now we want to have women on their own teams as well???

One of the main positive aspects of Airsoft is that anyone can play with little regard for age, fitness, size, or sex. Why are we trying to destroy that? What's next....an all-asian team?

kdouglas

Silverfish wrote: »

Bit harsh, considering last time I contributed, it ended up in a lengthy discussion and it was agreed that overall, I was correct.

true, I retract my last comment and apologise, i'm quite tired and mixed your nick up with someone else that i thought was male, hence in my mind the comment came across as a male sexist point of view saying they didnt want to play with/against women


As regards having a women's team, i see how it can be seen to be discriminating against women, but i also think that there may be women that want to play airsoft but are maybe discouraged from playing what is largely a male-oriented sport. Forming a women's team would allow them to get together and play together.

Silverfish wrote:

Its basically saying 'you're not good enough to play with us boys, go over there with the other girls and play with this my little pony gun. You'll love that. Be back later, honey'

on the contrary, no one is saying the womens team should be treated any differently to any other team, they would still play against everyone else as usual, i dont think the intention is to segregate women and have them play seperately to everyone else

ignore the argument about sex and consider that women are a minority in airsoft, consider that Gatling is attempting to organise a team which caters specifically to a minority to encourage them to join in and play with/against everyone else?

CrazyRabbit wrote:

What's next....an all-asian team?

there is already a Filipino team, and I think a Polish and/or Lithuanian team aswell, it's not segregation, it's merely people with something in common getting together to play together, they share a similar background/sex/nationality, so why not?

Edit:
Silverfish: if the ladies team was being organised by a female, would it change your perspective? Is it the fact that a male player is trying to organise a female team that makes it sexist?

hoplite

I agree with Mr Rabbit. Its unfortunate that silverfish was put off and its valid for her to contribute to the thread. There is no need for segreation of players on any basis.

Silverfish

I appreciate Gatling's heart being in the right place, and it is, but you will find that for every one female that wants this, there'll be others who'll be put off.

Speaking solely for myself here, but any girl who likes her airsoft and running about shooting people, won't really deep-down be want to put in a team with other girls, they'll want to play with everyone else like..... like normal people?

I mean, think of it the other way, if someone came on here saying 'MALE ONLY TEAM' it'd provoke a 'what the hell....' response. Why should a 'FEMALE ONLY!!' team provoke any different response?

I appreciate also that some girls will be nervous, with it being a male-oriented sport..... but putting the women in their own team won't help that. It won't. It'll end up as 'Girls AGAINST boys' not 'Girls playing WITH the boys'.
Incorporation, not segregation, will put people at ease moreso than separating them out and saying 'You go over there'.

Boston

But gatling isn't a member of that minority, so why is he doing this. He hasn't explained his motivation or reasoning. This been driven by a male is going to be seen in a certain light regardless of what is said. Why the particular concern with getting women involved in the sport anyway? Is it just women or is there a push towards other minority groupings.

I have to ask, is there a currently a problem which will be solved by this, or is this a solution looking for a problem.

Masada

yeah thats a good point boston, id prefer to have all of us play with eachother and against eachother regardless of sex etc but if any of the girls feel the need for a girl only team then they can get one going among themselves.,

kdouglas

Silverfish: i'm leaning towards agreeing with you, if a group of girls who play regularly decided to become a team, then fair enough, but the fact that they are female is not the driving force behind the team, it is merely a group of people who decide to get together and play together, but actively attempting to recruit females isn't necessary

Silverfish

kdouglas wrote: »

Silverfish: i'm leaning towards agreeing with you, if a group of girls who play regularly decided to become a team, then fair enough, but the fact that they are female is not the driving force behind the team, it is merely a group of people who decide to get together and play together, but actively attempting to recruit females isn't necessary

Absolutely. Any female that wants to do this will actively seek it out, but being pushed along or recruited into it..... its a bit 'Something for the boys'.

kdouglas wrote:

Silverfish: if the ladies team was being organised by a female, would it change your perspective? Is it the fact that a male player is trying to organise a female team that makes it sexist?

Yes. In that, if females are already playing and want their own team, then coola boola.
But if its a male stating they want a female only team, let's get some girls into airsofting..... well, hrm, you know?

ED E

TBH the girls are better than half the guys playing as they dont sit there shouting orders at each other and just get on with it.

*Note to self, recruit some girls to team UNDECIDENAME:p

kdouglas

<off-topic>
Lethal: you've left the team name undecided for so long, why dont you just call the team "Team Undecided"

</off-topic>

Masada

Haha., genius., thats gonna stick.,lol

ED E

kdouglas wrote: »

<off-topic>
Lethal: you've left the team name undecided for so long, why dont you just call the team "Team Undecided"

</off-topic>

Funny you should say that, I was thinking that myself, but if I suggested that then one of us would dispute it. We just cant seem to agree. I think an "Exucutive decision" is in order.

Gatling

what the ,, seriously can no one post an idea without it decending into slagging match ,and BS politics ,its this crap that is splitting this sport , sexist my ass , there is womens teams playing in leagues around the world so what's the problem well , as for personal comments im at hrta every saturday say it to me then, minoritys feble minded more like ,airsoft is suppost to be fun , keep ur politics at home or work .seriously fed with this crap




(i like my new jg svd)

MaxForce

Gizmodeon wrote: »

cheers man, real mature :rolleyes:

So happens my wife held a P90 that was on the IAS stall at HRTA at the charity day and she liked it. :DNow a pity there is not a decent clone of it on the market yet.:rolleyes:

Boston

Gatling wrote: »

what the ,, seriously can no one post an idea without it decending into slagging match ,and BS politics ,its this crap that is splitting this sport , sexist my ass , there is womens teams playing in leagues around the world so what's the problem well , as for personal comments im at hrta every saturday say it to me then, minoritys feble minded more like ,airsoft is suppost to be fun , keep ur politics at home or work .seriously fed with this crap


(i like my new jg svd)

In fairness, its not like this hasn't come up before. After alot of debate most people settled on the view that it was a bad idea. Did you run this idea by anyone before coming on here? Maybe if you had someone would have said something to you in person that maybe it wasn't a great idea.

This is far from a slagging match btw. People are disagreeing with you and doing so in a mannerly fashion. Its not BS politics, if anything its trying to avoid politics.

Alvin T. Grey

Gizmodeon wrote: »

oh...now you're in trouble!!
lets just say a carefully placed drum stick will fix that attitude

There is actually girls interested in this guys!

oh and cheers rabbit
(I'll pay you in bb's:D)
Sadly I won't be joining, I will always be a ghost:)

Giz's new theme tune. - If you hear this. Duck.

Gatling

i was asked by 3 women to post on here ,all with various backrounds who are intrested in entering the IAA summer league as an all womens team,

Alvin T. Grey

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

It's bad enough that we segregate younger players by having junior teams for them (Sorry Johnny, but yeah I don't agree the the White Skulls concept), but now we want to have women on their own teams as well???

Different kettle of whatever there Crazy.

Alvin T. Grey

Gatling wrote: »

i was asked by 3 women to post on here ,all with various backrounds who are intrested in entering the IAA summer league as an all womens team,

Great. If they can get another five together, they can join like any other team.....

Boston

They asked you to set up an all female team and post looking for additional members on this forum? I'm sorry but I'm confused as to your role in all this.

Also IAA summer league? Sounds like news.

Gatling

the team is being set up by others i was asked to post on boards to see would there be others intrested, just helping somebody out,


if there is a mod about please lock this thread

BFSL

Girlfriends,wives,ladies ?, are you implying that girlfriends and wives are not Ladies?:eek: My wife wants to loaf you in the head:D:D:D:D just taking the urine Graham;)

Gatling

dont you start

BFSL

Gatling wrote: »

dont you start

:D:D Sorry, I couldn't resist.;)

Gizmodeon

Ok speaking as one of the only (among probably 3) serious female airsofters (that I know of) I think that first, Gat's heart was in the right place, but i'm sorry Gat it comes across as insulting for a guy to start off a female team.
I see that one or two wanted to set up a female group, and I have no problem with that, but I think that if a woman cannot fight alongside a man, then she cannot fight against him without feeling intimidated. If the guys set up an all male team there would be an outrage, if they want to set it up fine, but it only segregates.

On another note, if girls cannot come on to this forum and stand up for themselves after a few extremely sexist posts from other members, then I should say it's a very bad day for this forum. And I'd have thought that because I personally know a lot of you that you would hold back on such comments.
And especially because these comments were made by airsofters I knew.
I've never asked to be put in any special category so I don't come across as the whiny female, so at least give me and the other female airsofters a little respect

Boston

Giz, theres no reason why you should feel you have to tolerate sexist comments on the forum. There are more then enough mods who would happily give a user a virtual slap for offensive comments.

BFSL

Gizmodeon wrote: »

Ok speaking as one of the only (among probably 3) serious female airsofters (that I know of) I think that first, Gat's heart was in the right place, but i'm sorry Gat it comes across as insulting for a guy to start off a female team.
I see that one or two wanted to set up a female group, and I have no problem with that, but I think that if a woman cannot fight alongside a man, then she cannot fight against him without feeling intimidated. If the guys set up an all male team there would be an outrage, if they want to set it up fine, but it only segregates.

On another note, if girls cannot come on to this forum and stand up for themselves after a few extremely sexist posts from other members, then I should say it's a very bad day for this forum. And I'd have thought that because I personally know a lot of you that you would hold back on such comments.
And especially because these comments were made by airsofters I knew.
I've never asked to be put in any special category so I don't come across as the whiny female, so at least give me and the other female airsofters a little respect

Well said, and I apologize if my comment offended in any way.