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Wes Brown

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    lordgoat wrote: »
    I can see where he is coming from however, he has been the poorest player in the united team this season, granted he's not playing in his preferred position but defensively he is always out of position, gets dragged into the centre way too easily, ball watches and offers nothing going forward, i've yet to see him put in a good cross.

    A right back is a priorioty this summer and i don't think he'll be missed. As long as we get someone in and hold onto Pique no sleep will be lost by anyone.

    I don't really see what this has got to do with anything.

    He's selected by one of if not the best manager in the world to play in one of the best defenses in the world.

    If he can do the job or not is a different matter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    Expcept by Wes who will automatically realise once he has signed for his new club. "Oh **** does this mean I have to play against Ronaldo, Rooney, and Tevez next year?"

    Sure he won't mind that seeing as he'll have a few extra grand in the bank. The money will make defeat acceptable


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    monkey9 wrote: »
    Sure he won't mind that seeing as he'll have a few extra grand in the bank. The money will make defeat acceptable

    Now you understand.

    Well done.

    ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    monkey9 wrote: »
    The fact he's playing for Utd is not the point. He's being offered 45 grand to play football. And you're point sums it up. It's all about money. Everything seems to be soul-less these days. I realise he still has to make a living, but like i said earlier, does a few grand mean so much to him?

    So why not start a campaign and get all the players onside for a wage cap. He's entitled to ask for what he thinks he's worth. Why not slate other players for getting way over the odds?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Especially for the people arguing over whether the few extra grand a week makes a difference...



    1:30 onwards.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Not sure what point your making there. It's very easy to "take a hit for the team" when you're on a $60 million contract and have your choice of lucrative endorsement contracts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    Not sure what point your making there. It's very easy to "take a hit for the team" when you're on a $60 million contract and a choice of endorsement contracts.

    Not if you're Wes Brown apparently. Not that he's on a $60m contract but he's still gotta be on close to £2.5m STG a year which isn't too far off.

    Anyway my main point from that video was that its important for these guys to look at where they've come from, rather than where they are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    Stekelly wrote: »
    So why not start a campaign and get all the players onside for a wage cap. He's entitled to ask for what he thinks he's worth. Why not slate other players for getting way over the odds?

    Well, he can chance his arm if he wants. My point is leaving Utd over the sake of a few grand is ridiculous if that what it comes to. And if he thinks he's worth 55 grand a week, then he must be deluded


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    monkey9 wrote: »
    Well, he can chance his arm if he wants. My point is leaving Utd over the sake of a few grand is ridiculous if that what it comes to. And if he thinks he's worth 55 grand a week, then he must be deluded

    If Rio Ferdinand is worth his weekly wage (plus the insane fee United paid for him) then Brown is worth every cent of £55k a week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    MrJoeSoap wrote: »
    If Rio Ferdinand is worth his weekly wage (plus the insane fee United paid for him) then Brown is worth every cent of £55k a week.

    .


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    MrJoeSoap wrote: »
    Not if you're Wes Brown apparently. Not that he's on a $60m contract but he's still gotta be on close to £2.5m STG a year which isn't too far off.

    Anyway my main point from that video was that its important for these guys to look at where they've come from, rather than where they are.

    According to the figures above, he's currently on approx £832,000 a year.

    Which is nowhere near $60m ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    kraggy wrote: »
    According to the figures above, he's currently on approx £832,000 a year.

    According to those same figures, thats what he gets without even playing.

    $60m = £40m. Divide that by ten and you get £4m a year. Brown earns roughly £2-£2.5m a year I'd say, he'd definitely get that and more on his next contract. Not an absolutely monstrous difference, especially considering Brady is the highest profile player in his sport.

    Anyway, my point wasn't anything to do with Brady's contract, it was to do with the fact that he's grounded and isn't greedy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    MrJoeSoap wrote: »
    Anyway, my point wasn't anything to do with Brady's contract, it was to do with the fact that he's grounded and isn't greedy.
    How do you know? Where you there at his contract negotiations?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    How do you know? Where you there at his contract negotiations?

    Meh, get back to me when you're not so cynical. Looks pretty grounded to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    MrJoeSoap wrote: »
    Meh, get back to me when you're not so cynical. Looks pretty grounded to me.
    I'm not being cynical, I'm only saying that you don't know how his contract was negotiated. You only know how Brown's negotiations are going because Fergie decided to speak out about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    MrJoeSoap wrote: »

    Anyway my main point from that video was that its important for these guys to look at where they've come from, rather than where they are.

    TBH, I'd say the most important thing o look at is where they are going. Say an average retirement age of 35. That leaves an awfull lot of years. Theres ot an endless supply of media/management jobs. Makle hay while the sun shines as the saying goes.


    Oh and £832k a year isnt amazing money by todays standards. £1m is less than £20,000 a week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Stekelly wrote: »
    TBH, I'd say the most important thing o look at is where they are going. Say an average retirement age of 35. That leaves an awfull lot of years. Theres ot an endless supply of media/management jobs. Makle hay while the sun shines as the saying goes.


    Oh and £832k a year isnt amazing money bu todays standards. £1m is £20,000 a week.

    I don't know where this £832k figure is coming from. Someone posted (without a link) that he was getting £16k a week pay-as-you-play (which in itself suggests 16k is an absolute base rate).

    I don't know exactly what "todays standards" are but to earn £20 odd million in a fifteen year(ish) career is absolutely mental by my standards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    MrJoeSoap wrote: »
    I don't know where this £832k figure is coming from. Someone posted (without a link) that he was getting £16k a week pay-as-you-play (which in itself suggests 16k is an absolute base rate).

    I don't know exactly what "todays standards" are but to earn £20 odd million in a fifteen year(ish) career is absolutely mental by my standards.

    Todays standards being todays football standards. Then you have to factor in that the club he is with is one of the top clubs in the world and winning things. Compared to others I'd say it's not great money.

    I'd imagine if you had a list of the first teamers at the top 5 or 6 clubs from this season, he'd be fairly far down it. Fair enough reason to be upset.

    If it's a pay as you play deal (cant imagine it is) it means heonly gets paid when he plays. If it's as I reckon , his basic. Thats what it is, the amount he can rely on. If he doesnt get a game he doesnt get an appearance fee etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Stekelly wrote: »
    Todays standards being todays fotball standards. Then you have to factor in that the club he is with is one of the top clubs in the world nd winnig things. Compared to others I'd say it's not great money.

    I'd imagine if you had a list of the first teamers at teh top 5 or 6 clubs from this season, he'd be fairly far down it. Fair enough reason to be upset.

    Again, this is based on an unsourced quote on a messageboard that we are assuming he's on £16k a week. Pinch of salt needed.

    I completely agree that compared to other players he is getting a raw deal, but I think thats more to do with the fact that they are overpaid rather than him being underpaid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    MrJoeSoap wrote: »

    I completely agree that compared to other players he is getting a raw deal, but I think thats more to do with the fact that they are overpaid rather than him being underpaid.

    Yeah but if everyone is being overpaid, that becomes the norm. It's the ones who are still on low wages that are getting underpaid.

    Either way, I doubt it gives him much comfort whichever way it's worded.:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Comparing Brown in this situation to Cole is silly. Brown has a right to try and negotiate a good contract for himself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Brown is right to try and negotiate what he can get. However I don't see why United should give him it.

    To compare him as a player to Ferdinand is laughable, Ferdinand is integral to what is the best defensive record in the league, Brown is merely solid.
    Same with Evra, he is nowhere near that standard.

    I like Brown, he's a United lad and I'd like him to stay. However wages must be kept under control, and if he isn't going to accept 50k a week, let him go elsewhere, but where he thinks he is gona get 60k a week I'm not so sure. I guess Spurs maybe, or else Newcastle, but he'd be stupid to go to Newcastle.

    Personally I think it's about more than this. The wages are a reflection of where United see him. 50k says excellent squad player. 60k says first choice RB for the future. If they aren't willing to give him 60k, it's likely that they don't see him as the future first choice RB.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭Nailz


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Comparing Brown in this situation to Cole is silly. Brown has a right to try and negotiate a good contract for himself.
    Bang on! Nothing wrong with trying to negotiate a better contract as he's certainly putting in the preformances to earn, so what if he wants £10,000 more... still alot less then Rio's earning! Nice to see Mr. Alan agrees. :p

    BTW, Happy 1st Boards.ie Birthday! Almost 10 posts a day?! Thats good going! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭Smegball


    Can't believe the cheek of Brown tbh, United stuck with him through those nightmare three injuries, and this is how he repays them :(
    The only reason he's askin for this is because he got an extended run in the team, only due to Neville's injury, get rid of him in the summer, I don't care for him anymore, we will still have Evans and Pique as back up plus probably a new right back. That will do me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Nailz wrote: »
    BTW, Happy 1st Boards.ie Birthday! Almost 10 posts a day?! Thats good going! ;)

    STALKER!:eek:

    over ten posts a day and every one full of **** :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭Nailz


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    STALKER!:eek:

    over ten posts a day and every one full of **** :p
    Stalker???? Eh, No....
    "over ten posts a day and every one full of ****" INDEED!


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    PHB wrote: »
    To compare him as a player to Ferdinand is laughable, Ferdinand is integral to what is the best defensive record in the league, Brown is merely solid.
    Same with Evra, he is nowhere near that standard.
    Brown has been part of that defensive record for most of the season has he not? I don't see anyone saying Brown is as good as Ferdinand, but then Brown isn't asking for equal parity with Ferdinand's wages. Hell, he isn't even asking for half of what Ferdinand reportedly earns.

    Villa are in need of a right-back, aren't they?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,920 ✭✭✭evad_lhorg


    get rid of him. never liked him. a good right back would be welcomed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    PHB wrote: »
    Brown is right to try and negotiate what he can get. However I don't see why United should give him it.

    To compare him as a player to Ferdinand is laughable, Ferdinand is integral to what is the best defensive record in the league, Brown is merely solid.
    Same with Evra, he is nowhere near that standard.

    I like Brown, he's a United lad and I'd like him to stay. However wages must be kept under control, and if he isn't going to accept 50k a week, let him go elsewhere, but where he thinks he is gona get 60k a week I'm not so sure. I guess Spurs maybe, or else Newcastle, but he'd be stupid to go to Newcastle.

    Personally I think it's about more than this. The wages are a reflection of where United see him. 50k says excellent squad player. 60k says first choice RB for the future. If they aren't willing to give him 60k, it's likely that they don't see him as the future first choice RB.

    Nail on the head there really. I'd say Ferguson is more mad at the fact that these private contract talks are in the public domain in the first place. Ferguson rewards squad players, because of their loyalty and ability to play where their told, take O'Shea as an example, a limited player, but does what he is told, does a certain job, also I think he has played in nearly every position including goal.

    As has been said Brown is fully entitled to negotiate, but it is up to the club to value the player. Not the player and his agent. As for comparing him with Ferdinand it is unfair to both. Ferdinand is a 1st choice international, he is vice captain, has almost the same amount of appearances for United as Brown, although only joining the Club in 2002 and being out for a season on the missed drug test charge.

    People say that he should be rewarded for his loyalty, but loyalty is a 2 way thing, United could have cashed in on him several times, but chose to stick with him.

    It is widely accepted that Uniteds weak link is right back, this speaks volumes of Browns position in his contract, not many regard him as good enough, this is more due to the fact that the postion has greatly changed since Brown started, if United got in a clone of Evra the general consensous would be Brown who?

    As for feeling sorry for a prem players wage packet, he is being offered a couple of million a year to play football with the biggest club in the world, his endorsements will flow, he will be watched by the international setup more, he will be a better player.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    evad_lhorg wrote: »
    get rid of him. never liked him. a good right back would be welcomed

    thing is, good right backs are hard to come by these days. not saying browne is class, but he does a job. maybe when neville come back in 2 weeks, he will sign the deal cos he will be back on the bench again.


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