Players taking notes in live games

The Al Lad

I was just talking about this with friends the other night, I was out watching the EPT last october in the RDS and saw a few (maybe 5 players) taking notes while playing.
One guy playing with Roland De Wolfe finished the hand and took out a note pad and start writing the hand details down in it.

Just wondering wat people think of this and would YOU do it and if so how big would the buy in have to be for you to do it ???

What would you also think of someone at your table taking notes on you after playing a hand with you ???

Might be a bit off-putting ???


Has anyone here ever seen this ??? maybe one of the EPT'ers nicnicnic, NFR or R4D and any others

Thanks

Alan

5starpool

I have heard of it, but never seen it, and would never do this myself.

DeadParrot

I dont think I'd do it
Generally just 2 or 3 mental lines in my head
red top. serial limper. will call with garbage
Weird hair. A rag merchant. like a book

Taxipete29

Gus Hansen sometimes uses a dictaphone and steps from the table and records details after playing a pot. If anything I would of thought it would help you to be more aware of your own game as you know that person isnt missing anything you do against them.

5starpool

Taxipete29 wrote: »

Gus Hansen sometimes uses a dictaphone and steps from the table and records details after playing a pot. If anything I would of thought it would help you to be more aware of your own game as you know that person isnt missing anything you do against them.

He did that as he was writing a book I think.

LuckyLloyd

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THEIRISHMOB

I was talkin to a guy at an EPT event about him taking notes while playing and he told me the reason was for his blog, so that he could remember details of hands he wanted to post.

Maybe one reason.
I sometimes do it in cash games (usually on the back of a receipt) but it is just to break the boredom for folding.

RoadSweeper

5starpool wrote: »

He did that as he was writing a book I think.

Yea at the aussie millions

strewelpeter

I do it sometimes, I try to be discreet about it. My excuse is that I'm going a bit senile and theres loads of stuff I don't hold on to if I don't write it down at the time.
I used to use scraps of paper but since that hillarious thread about some guy using the back of a Tesco receipt (can't find it now) I use a little notebook, and I'm only making notes after a particular hand that I want to remember and then the general stuff once every couple of laps.
It might look a bit naff but its very useful.

coillcam

Gus hansen was taking notes in danish on a dictaphone at the WSOP last year and some other big tournies, I haven't seen it anywhere else TBH. Whatever suits the person I suppose. Personally I'd be more inclined to give a person I see taking notes a little more respect than your average punter. Throw in a few anti-tells if ya know what I mean;) see what his notes do for him then

THEIRISHMOB

strewelpeter wrote: »

I do it sometimes, I try to be discreet about it. My excuse is that I'm going a bit senile and theres loads of stuff I don't hold on to if I don't write it down at the time.
I used to use scraps of paper but since that hillarious thread about some guy using the back of a Tesco receipt (can't find it now) I use a little notebook, and I'm only making notes after a particular hand that I want to remember and then the general stuff once every couple of laps.
It might look a bit naff but its very useful.

but since that hillarious thread about some guy using the back of a Tesco receipt .............

Im that guy... lol

califano

Extract from strewelpeters note book

Just caught a sixteen footer off Montauk. Had to stick two barrels in him. Two to wear him down and bring him up. Now adays, these kids, they bring everything. Radar, sonar, electric toothbrushes. Jesus-H Christ chief! Best drop another chum marker.

But seriously we should bankroll Armanijeans in Las Vegas to do the same. His descriptions from Vegas last time were vivid enough from memory, just think if he had a note pad!

bops

THEIRISHMOB wrote: »

but since that hillarious thread about some guy using the back of a Tesco receipt .............

Im that guy... lol

....every little helps!! lolz

on a serious note, does it infringe any of the rules? i think it may?

doke

There's one very good player I play against regularly who records every single hand on his mobile phone. Looks like he's perpetually texting someone but apparently it's for statistical analysis later.

I don't do it as I have good short term memory in the sense that immediately after a poker session I can recall pretty much every hand I saw (whether I was involved or not). Long term memory's not so good though, generally a night's sleep washes most of it away, which is why I generally try to update my notebook of opponent's betting patterns and physical tells before I go to sleep.

Jesus Wept

How bout reading your notes during a hand with someone?

I have notes on you!


*flicks through notepad
*finds page
*mouths words to self
*looks at villain
*looks pensive and hmmmmm's

redzerdrog

there was a women playing in the lacal casino one night and I know she is a terrible player after playing with her many times before, but this night playing she was writing after every hand and i was kind of impressed that she was making an effort and trying to improve.

BUT after about an hour or so she showed what she was really doing was writing all the crap hands she was dealt down so she could show us how unlucky she was and could moan about it:rolleyes:

bops

redzerdrog wrote: »

there was a women playing in the lacal casino one night and I know she is a terrible player after playing with her many times before, but this night playing she was writing after every hand and i was kind of impressed that she was making an effort and trying to improve.

BUT after about an hour or so she showed what she was really doing was writing all the crap hands she was dealt down so she could show us how unlucky she was and could moan about it:rolleyes:

LOL!! that's EXACTLY what THEIRISHMOB was doing!!!!!!!

rag2gar

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I did this during the €550 shorthanded game at the deepstack festival. It is common for a lot of young American MTT pros to take notes at live events. I cannot see why anyone should have a problem with it and, infact, we all should probably be doing it more often.

I think I got in the book that day

LuckyLloyd

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El Stuntman

out of interest, would you be allowed to record your 'player notes' on a laptop and look at them during a hand?

I have no intention of doing this, just wondering what the ruling would be

Macspower

I know it's not allowed in the SE.. A guy was asked by John not to take notes during the tourney.... He asked why and he was told it was house rules and you just had to remember everything...

Hitman Actual

Macspower wrote: »

He asked why and he was told it was house rules and you just had to remember everything...

Proper order. It's part of the skill of live poker, isn't it?

Also, if you see someone taking notes, you're just going to send him loads of false info during hands. Someone doing this can be exploited, imo.

LuckyLloyd

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The Al Lad

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

No, notes are just like:

Raise UTG to 150 with QQ (20k eff stack, blinds 25 / 50 40 mins in)

Called by button, BB

Flop (475) Q26r

Check, bet 350, button raises to 1100, fold, call

Turn (2675) 9 putting heart draw out.

Check, button bets 2k, check raise to 7k, he thinks and calls

River (16675) 2 completing heart draw

I shove remaining 11kish. He thinks 2 mins and calls mucking after I show.

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Thats it. Nothing about tells or specific player notes that all is remembered. It's just the betsizes and the board cards and the stacks and the specific level you were playing that can get a little muddled over 12 hrs of play.

In any case, people trying to give reverse tells are generally lol at it.

Exactly

It's something I might try out quietly while playing, It can't be to a disadvantage to you thats for sure, and like doke said while you might be able to remember most hands later on the same night you've played them a good nights sleep normaly washes them away

5starpool

If you were writing that much you would miss more through not having time to see anything than you would gain I reckon.

LuckyLloyd

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5starpool

Waaaaaay too much effort. Guesswork makes the game much more interesting. Hmmm, did he make it that much last time, or was I looking at the waitresses booty instead?


Mmmmm waitress....

smurph

Funny,
I was going to start taking notes, etc., just for updating my blog. If forget blind levels, the hand was at etc., etc.,

As lloyd said, just the interesting hands, which wouldn't be that many. Actually the guy who keeps a track of his hands by the mobile phone, was sitting to my left in CHL friday night game couple of weeks ago.

Interesting idea. He keeps track of his hands that he plays ie. AQ utg 99 mp etc., and has a code for the hands..... and posts them in a tracker (I think when he goes home)...

LuckyLloyd

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Theresalwaysone

Write them in your phone. Thats what I do. Looks like a text message but.... not.

LuckyLloyd

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smurph

Yeah, but when your not in a hand, you can use the text function on your phone to keep notes etc.,

Theresalwaysone

Thats what I mean. Not during a hand. Sure that would make no sense, just take your concentration away from the hand.

Heisenberg.

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jayhawk

I recall an on-air comment on Hansen and his dictaphone that he was recording his play for review later and that this was part of his customary professional discipline.

I asked a long-time WSOP dealer some months ago about note-taking and little pocket calculators at tournament tables. She replied that there was no prohibition to either, or stigma unless, of course, it contributed to chronic slow play.

As far as note-taking being insufficiently poker-cool... I suppose one man's notebook is another man's hoodie, mirrored sunglasses, backwards baseball cap and billboard masquerading as a shirt.

Hitman Actual

I still don't get it. You remember the important hands automatically, and subconsciously 'absorb' all the other general hands. Yes/No?

LuckyLloyd

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gondorff

bops wrote: »

LOL!! that's EXACTLY what THEIRISHMOB was doing!!!!!!!

I was dealing that night and this 'unlucky' tesco player proceeded to get quads twice (and get paid for them) and stacked a fella with set over set. I wonder what he did with that receipt! lol.

BrokenArrows

ya played with a guy in Australia for a few months. 10/20LIM and 5/10 NL

He made notes on every single hand.
And seen as most of the time we were playing with the same players i thought it was a really good idea.

Didnt put me off in anyway. Was a discussion point at the table on occasion.

He had a database going at home. Every day he would go home and enter the info.

Theresalwaysone

I just record them for analysis purposes or posting.

shoutman

TBH in an ideal world I would love live poker to be played with with no extras, ie. no note taking, no people putting their hoody's over their faces, no caps, and NO SUNGLASSES!

davidgti

The Al Lad wrote: »

I was just talking about this with friends the other night, I was out watching the EPT last october in the RDS and saw a few (maybe 5 players) taking notes while playing.
One guy playing with Roland De Wolfe finished the hand and took out a note pad and start writing the hand details down in it.

Just wondering wat people think of this and would YOU do it and if so how big would the buy in have to be for you to do it ???

its not a common thing you see have to say out and about,but a good friend of mine does this every week at a 60Euro game.he tells me he has lots of tells from people when he records it in the book.the way the person puts chips in,tone of voice when raising,movements etc.i dont do it myself but think its good idea when playing same guys every week...

What would you also think of someone at your table taking notes on you after playing a hand with you ???

myself i dont mind at all.

Might be a bit off-putting ???

not at all.

Has anyone here ever seen this ??? maybe one of the EPT'ers nicnicnic, NFR or R4D and any others

Thanks

The Istanbul

davidgti wrote: »

The Al Lad wrote: »

I was just talking about this with friends the other night, I was out watching the EPT last october in the RDS and saw a few (maybe 5 players) taking notes while playing.
One guy playing with Roland De Wolfe finished the hand and took out a note pad and start writing the hand details down in it.

Just wondering wat people think of this and would YOU do it and if so how big would the buy in have to be for you to do it ???

its not a common thing you see have to say out and about,but a good friend of mine does this every week at a 60Euro game.he tells me he has lots of tells from people when he records it in the book.the way the person puts chips in,tone of voice when raising,movements etc.i dont do it myself but think its good idea when playing same guys every week...


What would you also think of someone at your table taking notes on you after playing a hand with you ???

myself i dont mind at all.

Might be a bit off-putting ???

not at all.

Has anyone here ever seen this ??? maybe one of the EPT'ers nicnicnic, NFR or R4D and any others

Thanks

Yeah that guy is a slow playing m-fcukin chip stacking freak though and his notes are ****e

davidgti

The Istanbul wrote: »

davidgti wrote: »

Yeah that guy is a slow playing m-fcukin chip stacking freak though and his notes are ****e

he loves you too watch your st@ck at the team
event

cooker3

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Use of your phone in a GJP event kills your hand dead. And rightly so.

The french guy who won ept prague start going of when I did that, threatened not tip dealers. I wish everyone knew the rule.

As for notes, I can't see whats wrong with it or how it can be against the rules, it's probably a good idea to do.

The Improver

I've seen Phil Ivey taking notes with a pen and note pad quite a few times in high stakes cash.
Think its a good idea if you were very serious about making it big in the poker world.

delanec8

The Improver wrote: »

I've seen Phil Ivey taking notes with a pen and note pad quite a few times in high stakes cash.
Think its a good idea if you were very serious about making it big in the poker world.

Im pretty sure he was keeping track of his props

Goodluck2me

delanec8 wrote: »

Im pretty sure he was keeping track of his props

No id say he was just out to learn and become a better player. You are silly.

Russh

I didn't read the thread..(I'll read it later..), Yes I sat beside an older guy (maybe 55 - 60) in one of the deep stack Venetian games last year and he was taking notes on every hand that he played...He seemed to be a decent player and was with the Ladbrokes team....

It was great....Occaisionally(..well often) I would glance at his writings while he tried desperately to hide them from me...LOL...I saw what he was raising with, cbetting with after missing flop..etc, etc..., I was very disappointed when we split up....but ended up on second last table with him and the shagger busted my QQ vs his A10 on a raggy flop....(A on river)...Sometimes I think the gods were telling me something....:o

Jesus Wept

Gus Hansen's Book

ntlbell

shoutman wrote: »

TBH in an ideal world I would love live poker to be played with with no extras, ie. no note taking, no people putting their hoody's over their faces, no caps, and NO SUNGLASSES!

I hear what you're saying.

No students.

I agree.