more misleading marketing (omaha cash league)

RoundTower

So after this thread where Paddy Power were promising punters a chance to win 2 million and claimed they corrected it to "a slice of 2 million" as soon as someone pointed out their mistake, you'd think they might have learnt a lesson.

So I figured when I saw this on the PPP website I could take it at face value.

PPP wrote:

We have $100,000 to give to our most incendiary players over the next two months

Lovely, PPP are giving back $100k to their Omaha players in March and February. Maybe I should sign up for PPP because I'd have a chance at winning some of this, and $100k is a large % of their rake. So long as their competitors aren't offering any better...

On GJP I found this which is really excellent news, GJP offer a better reward scheme than PPP IMO and they are also giving away $100k to their Omaha players. Which is pretty cool because GJP PLO players probably only rake 100k over those 2 months, so this is an even better deal.

Carlos poker don't offer rakeback but they do have a decent loyalty scheme too. And they are also giving back 100k to their PLO players.

All 3 of these skins claim to be giving back the money specifically to their customers. The wording makes it very clear. "*All decisions as made by Carlospoker are final.", etc. Yet we obviously won't see millions of dollars of our rake coming back, there is just one iPoker-wide promotion. It really doesn't help the image of your sites to put up this bullsh:t false advertising.

Mike of GJP explained that they would explain it was an ipoker-wide promotion, except that other sites were claiming it as their own so he didn't want to be at a disadvantage. So he at least knows he is deliberately making false advertising. I'd like to hear back from a PPP rep, what's your excuse?

Requiem4adream

Can i ask a genuine question - did PPP **** you over in a big way in the past or is it just a general disdain for the company? If i had some background info these threads you do would have some entertainment value....coz for me anyway reading your posts is a lot like watching the 6 o'clock news - bad news, bad news, more bad news, oh there's another suicide bomb, ehhh another 4 killed on the roads, another 45 laid off work blah blah blah!!! Then you sometimes get the light hearted story about a baby elephant being born, usually the highlight of my day!

Anyway background story please!

Bandara

yes, no matter what the topic he is a rather miserable chappie.

Cheer up, it might never happen. Unless it has already that is.

eagle eye

Requiem4adream wrote: »

Can i ask a genuine question - did PPP **** you over in a big way in the past or is it just a general disdain for the company? If i had some background info these threads you do would have some entertainment value....coz for me anyway reading your posts is a lot like watching the 6 o'clock news - bad news, bad news, more bad news, oh there's another suicide bomb, ehhh another 4 killed on the roads, another 45 laid off work blah blah blah!!! Then you sometimes get the light hearted story about a baby elephant being born, usually the highlight of my day!

Anyway background story please!

In all fairness, he is only pointing out that there is false advertising going on here, and also he doesn't mention any poker company in the thread title.

And yes lets hear from the ipoker reps.

strewelpeter

RoundTower wrote: »

So he at least knows he is deliberately making false advertising

Slightly Hyperbolic?

or maybe just a bit :

PPP-Pit Boss

Hi RT, with all due respect all sites are correct, we are a on a network and its a network promotion. If you have numerous sites running satellites to the Irish Open, is that false advertising to say "win a 8.5K package to the IO here" because others are running them also?
The network ECOOP, any site that decides to opt into it will advertise / market it.
I totally understoodthe $2mil comments, very valid points, but we dont advertise it as exclusive we advertise it as a promotion PPP players can partake in.
Bodog took a full page cardplayer ad out advertising the IO.... is that creative marketing?

Samba

The problem here lies with Ipoker RT. They create the promotions and offer them to the skins.

Ipoker are retards, i don't say that lightly having dealt with them.

They are clueless when it comes to poker, they are casino developers without an iota about poker.

Im sure if you look on all skins, the "false marketing" is network wide and identicle which was developed, implemented and brought to you by ipoker.

Look what i found on their homepage

http://www.ipoker.com/index.php?page=1

I'm sure you could complain to ipoker but odds are you will receieve a retarded response, expect an attitude to the effect of "we're making lot's of money and you are insignificant so we don't give a toss"

PPP-Pit Boss

Why not delve even deeper into it. The Ipoker sign up bonus for instance.
The fact that they differ only in the percentage any site gives out a number of Ipoker sites are offering the same promotional sign up bonus. In fact if you look around you will find a number of bonuses online reflecting similar amounts.

If a car company offers an incentive to a garage and a "free car" is given away by a number of competing garages would that also be creative marketing or is it just because its poker?
If Nestle offer a bandon to their products and all Tesco stores + Dunnes jump on the promotion.. is that false advertising?
I can think of a dozen examples right at this moment and I still fail to see how you are singling us out.

eagle eye

PPP-Pit Boss wrote: »

Why not delve even deeper into it. The Ipoker sign up bonus for instance.
The fact that they differ only in the percentage any site gives out a number of Ipoker sites are offering the same promotional sign up bonus. In fact if you look around you will find a number of bonuses online reflecting similar amounts.

If a car company offers an incentive to a garage and a "free car" is given away by a number of competing garages would that also be creative marketing or is it just because its poker?
If Nestle offer a bandon to their products and all Tesco stores + Dunnes jump on the promotion.. is that false advertising?
I can think of a dozen examples right at this moment and I still fail to see how you are singling us out.

He is not singling ppp out, he mentions three ipoker sites, and says they are all at it. I personally agree with him that there is an element of false marketing here, why not say that there is a network wide cash race and you can get in on the action at ppp. Whats wrong with that,and the same for all the other ipoker sites as well.

Ste05

PPP-Pit Boss wrote: »

If a car company offers an incentive to a garage and a "free car" is given away by a number of competing garages would that also be creative marketing or is it just because its poker?
If Nestle offer a bandon to their products and all Tesco stores + Dunnes jump on the promotion.. is that false advertising?
I can think of a dozen examples right at this moment and I still fail to see how you are singling us out.

This isn't what RT is talking about at all.

To take your example and make it equivalent.

It would be like Renault Ireland offering a Free car for doing XX, then Liffey Valley Renault, offering the same promotion, but instead saying "Free Car to be won by OUR customers", then Blanchardstown Renault offering another Free Car to their customers, and on and on. i.e. the Free car is specific to their Showroom, not 1 for all of Ireland offered by Renault. Hence False advertising, and I'm pretty sure if this happened and a complaint was made to the relevant Advertising standards committee, there would be action required and whatever punishment deemed appropriate would be handed out, or possibly force the individual garages to make good on their offer.

Reading the links above, it certainly does look like they are exclusive offers.

BigCityBanker

whats this about a baby elephant?

HoLLLLLaments

one time i ordered a card shuffller from the PPP shop and......................it never came. Thieving heretics

Daithio

Requiem4adream wrote: »

Can i ask a genuine question - did PPP **** you over in a big way in the past or is it just a general disdain for the company? If i had some background info these threads you do would have some entertainment value....coz for me anyway reading your posts is a lot like watching the 6 o'clock news - bad news, bad news, more bad news, oh there's another suicide bomb, ehhh another 4 killed on the roads, another 45 laid off work blah blah blah!!! Then you sometimes get the light hearted story about a baby elephant being born, usually the highlight of my day!

Anyway background story please!

Dan I don't want to get involved in one of the wars that you have become famous for on here, you seem like a really nice guy and a great poker player and I respect you for that, but sometimes your arguments really don't make any sense.

You are totally attacking the poster and not the post here, RT is making a totally fair point in regards to some extremely underhanded marketing. We should be grateful that people like Dave are both motivated and willing enough to point these sort of things out, otherwise we'd be getting ripped off in a thousand more ways than we already are.

I agree sometimes Dave can come across as a cantankerous little bollocks, but if you trawled through his history of posts you'd find that he nearly always makes a valid point, and if he makes a mistake he'll admit it.

LuckyLloyd

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RoundTower

no I don't have much previous with Paddy Power. I don't do much business with them, not out of any matter of principle but because they rarely offer anything that meets my needs.

I'm sorry I don't have such great insight into timing tells so instead I bring it to people's attention when they are being ripped off or misled. Especially by companies who take advantage of the free advertising available on this forum.

AdMMM

It's difficult for companies like PaddyPower, VC, GJP et al to gain a competitive edge over their rivals when they are running on the same network. Any promotion that Playtech offer their clients is a small opportunity for the skins to attract new customers and help maintain existing ones through simple marketing. I for one have no problem with this take on marketing the promotions.

Daithio

How about the boards poker forum had a promotion going for loyal poker forum posters, and the billionth forum poster was to paid €10,000. Now let's assume that the After Hours forum, for example, is running a similar promotion. The billionth After Hours forum poster is to get paid €10,000.

What would be a rational interpretation of this promotion? I would have assumed that both forums are paying out €10,000 separately, to their respective billionth posters. Not that there was a boards.ie wide promotion whereby the billionth poster on the whole site was going to get paid €10,000.

zuutroy

I think the whole network is set-up so that to the casual player, each skin looks like a large independent poker site...If you log onto any of their websites you'll see '24785 players on Chilipoker right now!' or whatever. I assume the deal is that every skin is free to market itself as the whole ipoker network to a large extent. I don't see the big deal....if PPP or whoever says they're giving away $100k to Omaha players, and the box in the client tells you how many players are playing, you know what you're up against and it makes no odds what front end they're using.

mickc

zuutroy wrote: »

I don't see the big deal....if PPP or whoever says they're giving away $100k to Omaha players, and the box in the client tells you how many players are playing, you know what you're up against and it makes no odds what front end they're using.

example.. you have an account on PPP and GJP. you play both accounts trying to win a share of what you think is 100k on each skin but in fact you should just play on 1 skin all the time because the 100k is shared over the whole ipoker network.

strewelpeter

mickc wrote: »

example.. you have an account on PPP and GJP. you play both accounts trying to win a share of what you think is 100k on each skin but in fact you should just play on 1 skin all the time because the 100k is shared over the whole ipoker network.

Is anybody seriously going to claim that they genuinely believed the promotion was going work that way?

zuutroy

mickc wrote: »

example.. you have an account on PPP and GJP. you play both accounts trying to win a share of what you think is 100k on each skin but in fact you should just play on 1 skin all the time because the 100k is shared over the whole ipoker network.

Well if you were taking that blinkered approach, you'd see 25k players on each site and decide you have a much better chance of winning a decent amount by sticking to one promotion and playing on one site....

5starpool

I can see what people are complaining about, but at the same time I think this is a relatively small issue and certainly not one I would personally see as an "ipoker skins trying to rip people off" problem. Considering the majority of tables are shared across skins, you know the amount of traffic you have to compete against anyhow.

luckylucky

I think while it is misleading. I think just about all skins on all networks market promotions in this way. It happens on iPoker, it happens on Ongame too. So I wouldn't really blame the skins as such. If iPoker allows them to market stuff in this way, then they are all going to do so, makes sense from a business and competition point of view really, and as Mike from GJP points out if one site does it, the rest are at a disadvantage if they don't

zuutroy wrote: »

I think the whole network is set-up so that to the casual player, each skin looks like a large independent poker site.

Yip, totally agree. There are still many players playing on skins who don't realise they are part of a network. It's not really in the interest of well known brands like PaddyPower, Bluesquare or Victor Chandler to broadcast in their promotion that they are part of a network, otherwise their clients might start thinking too much, and think hmm I wonder would any other site on the network give me a better deal, might be worth looking at since I can still play the same games and players that I like.

I can understand why OP and others are irked by this, but I think from a business point of view, the skins do not really have much of a choice in this particular case.

LuckyLloyd

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5starpool

If these skins mentioned something along the following lines

"As part of a network wide iPoker promotion.... blah blah etc"

They might be shooting themselves in the foot, as probably quite a number of their customers might not know they are on a network, so to say they can get the
same stuff, and perhqaps extras too, elsewhere would not be very productiove on their behalf.

Usually I agree with most of RT's cynicism (if not always the way it is put), and he makes good points, but this I think is less important tbh.

ArmaniJeanss

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Blah, blah. Why should we tolerate marketing and advertising standards in poker that are well below that of the more mainstream service sectors?

Is it any different to UTV advertising Liverpool v Inter tonight as being 'live and exclusive on UTV ?'. Its being filmed and produced by GranadaTV, with no input from UTV whatsoever, but UTV just happen to part of the ITV network, all of whose skins are entitled to show it if they wish.
I'm sure a small minority of people are fooled into thinking how brilliant UTV are for sending cameras to this game, but most people will know the truth, and, like the iPoker Skins thing, its such a small thing anyway its hardly worth worrying about.

jtsuited

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Is it any different to UTV advertising Liverpool v Inter tonight as being 'live and exclusive on UTV ?'. Its being filmed and produced by GranadaTV, with no input from UTV whatsoever, but UTV just happen to part of the ITV network, all of whose skins are entitled to show it if they wish.

yes it is. most people who have utv cannot get itv and vice versa. that's why they can legitimately say so.

in this case any player can play on any skin on the network.

very different indeed.

RoundTower

5starpool wrote: »

If these skins mentioned something along the following lines

"As part of a network wide iPoker promotion.... blah blah etc"

They might be shooting themselves in the foot, as probably quite a number of their customers might not know they are on a network, so to say they can get the
same stuff, and perhqaps extras too, elsewhere would not be very productiove on their behalf.

Usually I agree with most of RT's cynicism (if not always the way it is put), and he makes good points, but this I think is less important tbh.

Can you imagine if Renault in Liffey Valley went out of their way to make sure you didn't know there was another Renault dealer down the road in Newlands Cross? That Renault even existed outside the walls of that dealership? If they expected the customer to believe that every car was hand made on those premises? If half of their customer service staff had never even heard of Renault Ireland? Imagine how ridiculous that would be. That's the situation you have with PPP here.

RoundTower

Except, of course, when you have a problem with the car. You bring the car back to Liffey Valley and tell the mechanic the brake pedal is missing and it only works six days a week. You wonder why you paid more for this than you would have for a new BMW. Then he tells you "this is a problem across the whole Renault network, it's nothing Liffey Valley related so there's nothing we can do. I'll pass on your suggestions to Renault Ireland."

zuutroy

The difference being that Renault franchises are selling the Renault brand. ipoker skins aren't selling the ipoker brand.

5starpool

RoundTower wrote: »

Can you imagine if Renault in Liffey Valley went out of their way to make sure you didn't know there was another Renault dealer down the road in Newlands Cross? That Renault even existed outside the walls of that dealership? If they expected the customer to believe that every car was hand made on those premises? If half of their customer service staff had never even heard of Renault Ireland? Imagine how ridiculous that would be. That's the situation you have with PPP here.

If the situation was that half of Renault Liffey Valleys customers did not know that there were more Renault dealerships in Ireland then I would not expect that dealership to advertise the fact that you can get the same product elsewhere. This thread has nothing to do with their customer service, so comparisons are not valid.

As it is, it is clearly a bad comparison. The fact is that almost all (if not all) people that use a specific car dealership know that there are lots more around (even if they do not know the location of them).

The nearest thing I can equate this to is the Bad beat jackpot in the Harrahs premises in Las Vegas. The one jackpot is shared over several different casinos, but on the board advertising it, it doesn't say that.

Requiem4adream

Daithio wrote: »

Dan I don't want to get involved in one of the wars that you have become famous for on here, you seem like a really nice guy and a great poker player and I respect you for that, but sometimes your arguments really don't make any sense.

You are totally attacking the poster and not the post here, RT is making a totally fair point in regards to some extremely underhanded marketing. We should be grateful that people like Dave are both motivated and willing enough to point these sort of things out, otherwise we'd be getting ripped off in a thousand more ways than we already are.

I agree sometimes Dave can come across as a cantankerous little bollocks, but if you trawled through his history of posts you'd find that he nearly always makes a valid point, and if he makes a mistake he'll admit it.

I just dont get the constant negativity re: PPP, GJP etc. Misleading marketing is hardly a new concept now is it - on a simple level how many times have you seen a tv car advertisement and it says "Peugeot 206 from €15,000 and in the small print says "featured model/model shown €18,599*". Whilst perfectly legal it's still slightly misleading imo. This is such a trivial issue too, nobody is being ripped off and the wording is arguable.

Instead of RoundTower coming on here with threads like these, if he feels that strongly about it i suggest he visit http://www.asai.ie/complain.asp and make a complaint. That's the Advertising Standards Authority website.

Ste05

Requiem4adream wrote: »

I just dont get the constant negativity re: PPP, GJP etc. Misleading marketing is hardly a new concept now is it - on a simple level how many times have you seen a tv car advertisement and it says "Peugeot 206 from €15,000 and in the small print says "featured model/model shown €18,599*". Whilst perfectly legal it's still slightly misleading imo.

Instead of RoundTower coming on here with threads like these, if he feels that strongly about it i suggest he visit http://www.asai.ie/complain.asp and make a complaint. That's the Advertising Standards Authority website.

People are encouraged to find things like this going on. There is basically no regulation in the on-line Poker world for the most part, and so we have to regulate ourselves, if it wasn't for the likes of RT and similar on 2+2 we would have never known about 99% of the stuff going on and these sites would be making even more money from Poker players by never giving anything back or satisfying customer demands.

PPP get free advertising from this forum and so there's nothing wrong with calling them and others out on this, hell if they just came in here and did similarly to GJP and held their hands up then they could even get some positive publicity, but they seem to be in the mind set of any publicity is good publicity, so each to their own.

The constant negativity has come from years of similar threads and treatment of players, I'd suggest you go searching through the archives, before hanging your hat on the PPP bandwagon, they might open your eyes to why alot of people have very little time for PPP.

Requiem4adream

Ste05 wrote: »

People are encouraged to find things like this going on. There is basically no regulation in the on-line Poker world for the most part, and so we have to regulate ourselves, if it wasn't for the likes of RT and similar on 2+2 we would have never known about 99% of the stuff going on and these sites would be making even more money from Poker players by never giving anything back or satisfying customer demands.

PPP get free advertising from this forum and so there's nothing wrong with calling them and others out on this, hell if they just came in here and did similarly to GJP and held their hands up then they could even get some positive publicity, but they seem to be in the mind set of any publicity is good publicity, so each to their own.

The constant negativity has come from years of similar threads and treatment of players, I'd suggest you go searching through the archives, before hanging your hat on the PPP bandwagon, they might open your eyes to why alot of people have very little time for PPP.

Again just overlooking my point.

If RT feels the advertising is misleading, then make a complaint in private to the ASAI. If the complaint is upheld, PPP and all the skins will be obliged to alter their advertisement. If the complaint is denied, then it is legal and not misleading. Coming on here having a pop at them is disingenuous and petty.

Ste05

You are missing my point. If the complaint is made in private then we'll never know, PPP have representatives here everyday of the week, so this is a much quicker way of bringing this to their attention and letting us all know that (a) the issue exists; and (b) so we can all know how PPP or others will deal with the issue. If RT or anyone else feels they haven't got satisfaction then they can move onto the ASAI. But if I ran a company, I know I'd rather my customers took things up in a format like this first rather then going straight to make formal complaints about me.

Anyway every single operator that posts on boards knows that they have to be willing to take the rough with the smooth and be willing to answer questions, but the bottom line is, people can post what they want once it's within the charter. This is certainly within the charter, and unless you work for PPP and are shilling (which I assume you aren't) just don't read the thread, but please don't continue spamming it, if PPP decide to comment further the less clutter in the thread the better. Comment about why you think it's not false advertising but please don't continue asking questions about RT's motives, he is perfectly entitled to post this thread.

Requiem4adream

Ste05 wrote: »

But if I ran a company, I know I'd rather my customers took things up in a format like this first rather then going straight to make formal complaints about me.

Anyway every single operator that posts on boards knows that they have to be willing to take the rough with the smooth and be willing to answer questions, but the bottom line is, people can post what they want once it's within the charter. This is certainly within the charter, and unless you work for PPP and are shilling (which I assume you aren't) just don't read the thread, but please don't continue spamming it, if PPP decide to comment further the less clutter in the thread the better. Comment about why you think it's not false advertising but please don't continue asking questions about RT's motives, he is perfectly entitled to post this thread.

If i ran a company i would prefer that too - but RoundTower isnt a customer of PPP or at least he says he doesnt play there, and if non-customers were questioning my practices i would question why. This is a thread about a misleading advertisement and i have pointed RT to the relevant authorities and i'm perfectly entitled to do so.

Personally if i saw something by any poker site where i felt boardsies were being ripped-off or screwed-over i'd do the exact same thing as RT, i'd bring it to your attention. I'd try not to keep calling out the same company, especially if i didnt even play there.

As for the 'misleading' advertisement, i think anyone with a little cop-on would realise if 3, 4, 5 skins are offering the exact same promotion then it is the one & same promotion. At it's core this is nit-picking over wording. If this was Pokerstars, Party, ipoker etc, different networks offering the same promotion and it turned out to be a singular promotion, i would feel they are taking the piss.

Ste05

OK, that's enough. Back on topic. That topic being whether the advertising is misleading or not, and whether PPP or the other iPoker sites should say that the promotion is a skin specific promotion or a network wide promotion.

NOT, whether RT plays on PPP, or his motivation for posting, I won't say this again, if he wants to be a Consumer Rights champion for the masses of fish that play on PPP, that's his business.

PPP-Pit Boss

eagle eye wrote: »

He is not singling ppp out.

RoundTower wrote: »

Imagine how ridiculous that would be. That's the situation you have with PPP here.

Ste05 wrote: »

NOT, whether RT plays on PPP, or his motivation for posting, I won't say this again, if he wants to be a Consumer Rights champion for the masses of fish that play on PPP, that's his business.

...
The majority of what we get is just flaming. It is becoming harder and harder to see the benefit of the releationship we started back here three years ago before boards became this heated and anti-corporation.

You want us to say. "This promotion is open to PPP customers and is also available on Titan, CD, Blue Square and VC take your pick!"

Is that the general idea?

Ipoker do not run a skin they are a software provider. Promotions are run and paid for I might add by the respective cardrooms that opt in to them. The respective cardrooms then market them however they see fit to their customers by relabelling the name, adding on to the promo with room specific promos or whatever.

I can vaguely see a point but to honest it is just Marketing 101. This is what how these promotions operate. Some of the card rooms dont opt in (buy in) then they dont market it.

I dont have a lot else to add.

eagle eye

Requiem4adream wrote: »

If i ran a company i would prefer that too - but RoundTower isnt a customer of PPP or at least he says he doesnt play there, and if non-customers were questioning my practices i would question why. This is a thread about a misleading advertisement and i have pointed RT to the relevant authorities and i'm perfectly entitled to do so.

Personally if i saw something by any poker site where i felt boardsies were being ripped-off or screwed-over i'd do the exact same thing as RT, i'd bring it to your attention. I'd try not to keep calling out the same company, especially if i didnt even play there.

As for the 'misleading' advertisement, i think anyone with a little cop-on would realise if 3, 4, 5 skins are offering the exact same promotion then it is the one & same promotion. At it's core this is nit-picking over wording. If this was Pokerstars, Party, ipoker etc, different networks offering the same promotion and it turned out to be a singular promotion, i would feel they are taking the piss.

I have to say that i don't like your line here again. I respect you as a card player and I don't want to cross swords with anyone, but it seems to me that you have a chip on your shoulder blade.
Every time i see you involve yourself in a thread like this, you seem to be attacking the poster more often than the thread itself.
Just give it a rest, attack the thread all you want but please stop attacking the poster(s).
Personally I think Roundtower is right to inform people of this. I for one thought this was a promotion on one particular skin, won't mention which one, but now I am aware that it is network wide it means that I know that I have no hope of collecting any money from it.
The fact that we have members that bring all this stuff to our attention is a good thing. Sometimes you might not like what they have to say, but other times it can be very beneficial to you.
By attacking Posters, all you do is give them less reason to post up stuff which could be of interest to many, even if it is not of interest to you personally.

ollyk1

PPP-Pit Boss wrote: »

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The majority of what we get is just flaming. It is becoming harder and harder to see the benefit of the releationship we started back here three years ago before boards became this heated and anti-corporation.

I call your bluff Nikki :rolleyes: Seriously do you think you could get all PPP staff off this site for three months? (just the poker forums we'll allow BCB continue to dispense advice on the Personal issues forum!! )

Prop bet please.

Edit: As for the issue of RTs posting this thread I think he's presented his view and others can read them or ignore them. R4AD's views are bordering on the promotion of censorship for me. PPP are very well represented on this board and to have the other point of view well represented is good for keeping all poker organizations that post here on their toes (for instance see the results re the t.v. table at the Irish Open or the countless examples of improvements to tournie structures and scheduling brought about by the influence of Boards).

LuckyLloyd

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Requiem4adream

eagle eye wrote: »

I have to say that i don't like your line here again. I respect you as a card player and I don't want to cross swords with anyone, but it seems to me that you have a chip on your shoulder blade.
Every time i see you involve yourself in a thread like this, you seem to be attacking the poster more often than the thread itself.
Just give it a rest, attack the thread all you want but please stop attacking the poster(s).
Personally I think Roundtower is right to inform people of this. I for one thought this was a promotion on one particular skin, won't mention which one, but now I am aware that it is network wide it means that I know that I have no hope of collecting any money from it.
The fact that we have members that bring all this stuff to our attention is a good thing. Sometimes you might not like what they have to say, but other times it can be very beneficial to you.
By attacking Posters, all you do is give them less reason to post up stuff which could be of interest to many, even if it is not of interest to you personally.

I wasnt personally abusive or insulting to RT or snide.

If his objective was purely to make people aware of a possible misunderstanding in the promotion then i'd have come in and said fair play. Instead he starts the thread by linking another thread where paddypowers marketing is dodgy. What has the 2 million thread got to do with making people aware of the omaha cash league marketing? Nothing.

Also, if you go to each of the sites he lists, Carlos Poker, PPP and GJP and click on the leaderboards for the Omaha League Promotion, the exact same names are on each leaderboard. Surely this makes it ultra obvious there is not 3 distinct promotions but rather 1 overall promotion?

http://www.carlospoker.com/leaderboard.php
http://www.paddypowerpoker.com/freechips/omaha-explosion.php


If pokerstars , the only site i play on, made a misleading statement/promotion i would email support 1st to make them aware of it and ask for it to be rectified, if their reply was not good enough for my liking i'd make people aware of it. I wouldnt just come on and take a shot at them.

RasTa

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

lol. Why would anyone play on your site when there is no rake back? Why would anyone with half an education be impressed by your "ah begorrah, aren't we all good stupid paddies" marketing and branding strategies?

And then you guys don't exactly help yourselves with stuff like this or your own comments in the IO tv thread. The option to simply avoid boards is always available to you if it causes you so much heartache.

Hear hear.

LuckyLloyd

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Ste05

PPP-Pit Boss wrote: »

It is becoming harder and harder to see the benefit of the releationship we started back here three years ago before boards became this heated and anti-corporation.

Just out of interest what do we get out of this relationship??

You get new players, exposure, a sounding board for ideas, feedback on what your customers want, a chance to answer questions and show that you are a great company. But unless I missed something from the start, I don't really see what boards users get back?



Also Requiem4adream, I'm not going to warn you again, stick to the topic, if you have a problem with RT, take it to PM, but stop cluttering up this thread.

Why should people have to become Sherlock Holmes and check out 3 or 4 sites who may or may not have bought into this Promotion to check the leaderboard of each and then check off what players match and then work out for yourself whether this is a Network Wide Promotion or a Skin Specific one.

One more mention of RT and his motives or otherwise and you'll be on a week long break, attack the post not the poster, this is always the Golden Rule everyone sticks to it and I'd appreciate it if you would to.

Ste05

Ste05

Lloyd where did you get that quote from, if it's not a direct quote please delete it.

But I will ask Requiem4adream, to confirm if he works for PPP or has any ties to the company, such as being sponsored, or having a family member in their employment.

Ste05

eagle eye

Requiem4adream wrote: »

I wasnt personally abusive or insulting to RT or snide.

If his objective was purely to make people aware of a possible misunderstanding in the promotion then i'd have come in and said fair play. Instead he starts the thread by linking another thread where paddypowers marketing is dodgy. What has the 2 million thread got to do with making people aware of the omaha cash league marketing? Nothing.

Also, if you go to each of the sites he lists, Carlos Poker, PPP and GJP and click on the leaderboards for the Omaha League Promotion, the exact same names are on each leaderboard. Surely this makes it ultra obvious there is not 3 distinct promotions but rather 1 overall promotion?

http://www.carlospoker.com/leaderboard.php
http://www.paddypowerpoker.com/freechips/omaha-explosion.php


If pokerstars , the only site i play on, made a misleading statement/promotion i would email support 1st to make them aware of it and ask for it to be rectified, if their reply was not good enough for my liking i'd make people aware of it. I wouldnt just come on and take a shot at them.

I really don't think he is having a pop at one site in particular. He was just reminding people of that other recent thread and the fact that these threads do actually work sometimes. He also said that he contacted GJP about this in advance and posted the comments which their representative made.
As far as stars is concerned, as we all know they are the biggest site in Poker, they have an excellent support service, as do many other sites including at least two of the tree mentioned here, gjp and ppp and I don't know anything about carlos poker, but they are not part of a network so these problems do not exist on stars. I don't think I have ever seen any advertising from Pokerstars which did not explain everything in detail.

You might have found this advertisement to be 'ultra' obvious. Personally I did not, until I read this thread.

ps. seen you were going well in a 100 freezeout earlier, hope you did/do well in it.

Requiem4adream

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

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And? I couldnt care less if he worked for NASA, i'd still think this is a spurious thread. My other brother works for Ebay, you dont see me defending Ebay anywhere on Boards.ie do you?

What are you on about ste? i havent been abusive to RT once in this thread and have no problem with him in the slightest. You're itching to ban me for no reason at all ,work away if it's gonna cheer you up.

Ste05

If your brother works for PPP, you have a vested interest, even if it isn't the motivation for your posting. You should have said this at the start, because it affects your credibility especially if it comes out later, as it did here. It doesn't look good. And could explain why you were defending PPP so much without knowing all the history.

Also I haven't been itching to ban you, quite the opposite actually, but I've asked you now 3 times in the thread to not talk about RT's motives, he can post what he likes once it's within the charter. Just like you and everyone else. It's up to us mods to decide what can and can't be posted. I've said this thread is fine and that's the end of that matter.

If you have a problem with my decision, there are 2 other mods to approach, or there is DeVore or the other admins, or there is the Feedback forum. This thread is not the place for this discussion there are plenty of other avenues to take if you are unhappy with this thread being here.

Ste05.

LuckyLloyd

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Requiem4adream

Vested interest my eye. I've lost enough money to those Paddy Power feckers in football bets over the years to care less about them. I've been equally defensive and supportive of GJP. I just dont get why RT constantly has a pop at GJP, PPP, deVore and other issues but whatever it's not the topic. Carry on.