"The Four Winds"

joebre

Hi,

I am living in an estate called "The Four Winds"
Wonder could someone give me a translation, please.

Thanks

Joe

PurpleFistMixer

I'd approximate "Na ceithre gaotha".

daphilp

joebre wrote: »

Hi,

I am living in an estate called "The Four Winds"
Wonder could someone give me a translation, please.

Thanks

Joe

Na Ceithre gaoithe

Gael

joebre wrote: »

Hi,

I am living in an estate called "The Four Winds"
Wonder could someone give me a translation, please.

Thanks

Joe

It's 'Na Ceithre Ghaoth'. Unlike English, objects are counted in their singular form in Irish (literally, 'Four Wind', as opposed to 'Four Winds' in English usage). Also, nouns following the numbers 1-6 take a séimhiú (h).

simu

It could be na ceithre gaoithe in some dialects, though, where you can get the genitive singular after numerals sometimes. Are you in Waterford, OP? A google search for Na Ceithre Gaoithe shows up lots of links to an estate in that county.

joebre

Yes, I live in County Waterford. The estate is located in the Ring Gaeltacht but I am not a native Irish speaker.

The sales brochures for the last 2 years call it "Na Ceithre Gaoithe". A new name-plate went up this week with the name "Na Ceithre Gaotha"

The County Council have a Placenames Committee but the person in charge is on sick leave and I have nobody else to check with !

The name should have been approved by them so I presume that "Gaotha" is right !

joebre

simu

Hmmm, both are technically correct, afaik. Afair, in standard Irish, you have the option of using the nominative plural form of the noun with numbers from 3 to 6 which would give Na Ceithre Gaotha (compare Na Ceithre Cúirteanna for the Four Courts). I don't have a grammer book with me right now though! And Na Ceithre Gaoithe is probably what you would get in the dialect of Ring (although I'm not certain - I speak another brand of Munster Irish!) and given that it is a Gaeltacht area, it would make more sense to stick with the local dialect.

... no definitive answer from me anyway. The numerical system of Irish is very complicated!

Múinteoir

joebre wrote: »

Yes, I live in County Waterford. The estate is located in the Ring Gaeltacht but I am not a native Irish speaker.

The sales brochures for the last 2 years call it "Na Ceithre Gaoithe". A new name-plate went up this week with the name "Na Ceithre Gaotha"

joebre

Yeah, you see, that's the sort of thing that indicates that they don't have a clue/don't care about the correct Irish form. Developers/careless local bureaucrats have a reputation all over Ireland for sticking up any old rubbish as the Irish form. Simu may well be right about there being a distinct dialectic form for Waterford, but I'm highly dubious of any property developer or bureaucrat being conscious of such niceties!
I'd wait to confirm with the placenames' committee if I was you.

fatE

As far as I can make out it should be 'Na Ceithre Ghaoth'.

eg:"ceithre chathair, ceithre óstán"


"Cuireann na focail dhá, trí, ceithre, cúig, sé séimhiú ar gach ainmfhocal a thosaíonn ar
chonsan." according to this http://www.cainteoir.com/cainteoir_files/gramadach/Uimhreacha.pdf

Go n-éirí leat a chara!