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Showboating or why we go ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Sqaull20 wrote: »
    I love it and wenger has some nerve bringing this up, Henry and his lot did it to Spurs for years :D

    Wenger knows he is being hypocritical, he's just doing it to deflect from United utterly hammering them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    And nutmegs....

    Im sure Fabregas would be delighted seeing as Anderson made a fool of him with one yesterday :)

    Ridiculous the way people are condemning this. Its one thing to do it when youre on your own, you have space and no one is tackling you - Nani had Gallas (I think?) running after him the whole time and Flamini coming in to tackle him. It was great to see, and a whole lot of these noises are most likely coming from sore losers and people who want to appear polite to the press (looking at you Fergie).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Helix wrote: »
    yeah but in footie where goal difference can be a deciding factor, teams owe it to fans to keep going and trying to score as many as possible

    Oh, my bad. I obv forgot that goal difference is important in the FA Cup.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Unearthly wrote: »
    It would be even more dull and boring if the team winning just decided to not play anymore and played out the remaining part of the game doing nothing.

    There should be no sympathy towards other teams, if they aren't up to it then tough sh-it

    It's boring either way, that's the point. Why is it necessary to be unprofessional and stick the needle in at the end when it doesn't matter?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Oh, my bad. I obv forgot that goal difference is important in the FA Cup.

    where were we discussing the fa cup only? and what game did a team keep on scoring to disrespect their opponents when the result was in no doubt over fa cup weekend?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Helix wrote: »
    where were we discussing the fa cup only? and what game did a team keep on scoring to disrespect their opponents when the result was in no doubt over fa cup weekend?

    This entire discussion was spawned from an incident at the end of a one sided FA Cup tie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    an incident where the player in question kept possession of the ball by the best means available to him bearing in mind the bounce the ball took, the height of it, and the first headed touch

    would you rather a team who is leading stops trying and lets the other team get back in the game or something?

    there was absolutely nothing wrong with what nani did


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Nunu


    LuckyLlyod, what in the world are you talking about? The hole you are digging is getting bigger and bigger....best to get the hell out of this thread!:D


    Regarding Nani, I agree with the handful of posters who say it was a necessary piece of skill to retain possession and not showboating...i was very surprised to hewar Fergusons post match comment that he'd had a word with him about it:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Nunu wrote: »
    LuckyLlyod, what in the world are you talking about? The hole you are digging is getting bigger and bigger....best to get the hell out of this thread!:D
    what hole? to where?


  • Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    what hole? to where?

    The hole you dug yourself by your tirade of ridiculous arguments on this thread. That hole. To somewhere where that kind of soft-lad rubbish would be tolerated, a place i hope i never have to go to. Honestly, do u even realise that if Nani were to try to back into Hoyte and let the ball drop rather than do the multiple head ups, then he would have increased the chance of being dispossessed. You're just bein ridiculous and outing yourself as a blatant ABU with that kind of talk.



    Jesus lads seriously, and people wonder why footballers can be such sissies. Theres a lot worse things to be worrying about than showboating, If u cant handle it then maybe u should find a softer sport.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    In 1940, the Chicago Bears defeated the Washington Redskins 73 - 0, in the NFL Championship game....

    The NFL is one of the most competitive leagues in the world, and when they win, they love to rub it in, as happens in most team sports, nay, any competitive sport. If you could hand Utd a 20-0 scoreline yesterday, they would have taken it. Playing to "keep the other team in it" is for girlie men.

    Also, the NFL rule seemed to come in due to pre-planned celebrations, rather than out and out showboating.

    But as others have said, dig away.


  • Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    astrofool wrote: »
    In 1940, the Chicago Bears defeated the Washington Redskins 73 - 0, in the NFL Championship game....

    The NFL is one of the most competitive leagues in the world, and when they win, they love to rub it in, as happens in most team sports, nay, any competitive sport. If you could hand Utd a 20-0 scoreline yesterday, they would have taken it. Playing to "keep the other team in it" is for girlie men.

    Also, the NFL rule seemed to come in due to pre-planned celebrations, rather than out and out showboating.

    But as others have said, dig away.
    Agreed 100%.


    The level people stoop to in order to moan is ridiculous at times.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    Its Nani. Its Man Utd.

    Its to be expected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ROCKMAN


    Think its was a great skill and I agree with alot of posts that are saying it was the only way to deal with the situation and kept control of the ball,
    As for the mangers
    I think Fergie was more concern about where he was doing it more so that that taking the piss out off opposition (no matter what he said in public )
    As for Wenger sourgrapes yes, and also doing what he does best deflecting the spotlight of his players and their performance (which all good managers will and are expected to do)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,454 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Absolutely nothing wrong with a player showing his skills to his peers. Those that complain just complain because it is not their team's player.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,973 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Absolutely nothing wrong with a player showing his skills to his peers. Those that complain just complain because it is not their team's player.


    Agreed, If I could do that I would. Simple as, he pulled it off and he gets greif.

    I know when I'm out playing ball during the week if we are up by a large amount of goals we showboat to annoy the otherside (bear in mind we all work together ) and they would do the same to us. I remember ripping the piss out of a few of the lads with nutmegs and stepovers and they always go in for a hard challenge after but for that moment it was the only thing I could think of doing and it worked.

    Skill is a big part of football and I say Fair play to Nani for pulling it of under pressure even if he meant it or not. All the lad done was control the ball.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    LuckyLloyd do you think there's anything wrong with nutmegs?

    What's the difference between them and what Nani did?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Nutmegs uaually serve a purpose, i.e. beating a man.

    If anyone thinks that what Nani did made more sense than simply heading the ball down once and passing back to VDS then they've got serious blinkers on.

    I don't have that much of a problem with it and I really thinkthat people are making far too much of it but all this 'only way to dal with situation' is a load of balls.

    Way one: professional - boot it out for an Arsenal throw

    Way two: accomplished - head it once to feet and pass it back

    Way three: showboat

    As regards Fergie, I think he complained about it because it was a bit unprofessional. Simply because he attempted something difficult and unnecessary when he was the last man back.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    gosplan wrote: »
    Nutmegs uaually serve a purpose, i.e. beating a man.

    If anyone thinks that what Nani did made more sense than simply heading the ball down once and passing back to VDS then they've got serious blinkers on.

    I don't have that much of a problem with it and I really thinkthat people are making far too much of it but all this 'only way to dal with situation' is a load of balls.

    Way one: professional - boot it out for an Arsenal throw

    Way two: accomplished - head it once to feet and pass it back

    Way three: showboat

    As regards Fergie, I think he complained about it because it was a bit unprofessional. Simply because he attempted something difficult and unnecessary when he was the last man back.

    What Nani did served a purpose too -- he beat the Arsenal player. He could have done any of those options you posted but he didn't, he chose a perfectly legitimate (IMO) way to deal with the ball and did so successfully.

    If there's an alternative option to nutmegging the opposing player, should that always be taken for fear of hurting their feelings? Say a 1-2 pass, or maybe just take a completely different approach if you can't simply outrun the defender.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    DaveMcG wrote: »
    he beat the Arsenal player.

    No he didn't, he just ran back toward his own goal.
    DaveMcG wrote: »
    He could have done any of those options you posted but he didn't, he chose a perfectly legitimate (IMO) way to deal with the ball and did so successfully.

    I never said it wasn't legimitate, just unprofessional. He tried a high risk move with an opposing player right behind him and nothing between him and the goal.
    DaveMcG wrote: »
    If there's an alternative option to nutmegging the opposing player, should that always be taken for fear of hurting their feelings? Say a 1-2 pass, or maybe just take a completely different approach if you can't simply outrun the defender.


    I really don't know what your point is here. I think you're just assuming I'm taking a different line than I am. I didn't mention feelings. What do they have to do with anything?

    As regards nutmeg or 1-2, whichever has the best chance of success would obviously be the best choice.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    I've got it!!!!!

    When I see Nani doing something like that I think of Higuta conceeding that goal. Hopefully that helps you all to see it from my perspective.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,176 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    gosplan wrote: »
    No he didn't, he just ran back toward his own goal.


    Watch it again, he beats him when he takes it down, before Flamini came thundering in


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    gosplan wrote: »
    I've got it!!!!!

    When I see Nani doing something like that I think of Higuta conceeding that goal. Hopefully that helps you all to see it from my perspective.

    But sure that's part of the risk. Higuita wasn't skillful enough to pull it off so got done. Good enough for him. People would be saying the same of Nani if the ball had of been nicked off him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,606 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Pah - this is such a crock of poop.

    "OH NOES, NANI DID SOME SKILZ"

    Football is SUPPOSED to be entertraining - it is supposed to be about skill and style.

    I actually find it DISGUSTING that so many people find it bad enough to moan about, with mentioning the horribly dirty tackles that were put in on him, and other United players by arsenal.

    Arsenal were acting like a bunch of petulent little kids and got the mugging they deserved. Hopefully the FA take retrospective action against Gallas at least. Eduardo should also have seen red, but the ref bottled it so there isn't that can be there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Nunu


    Tauren wrote: »
    Pah - this is such a crock of poop.



    Hopefully the FA take retrospective action against Gallas at least.

    Not a chance because Ferguson brought it up in his post match interview and the FA hate him:D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Sqaull20 wrote: »

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    Such nice fans arent they?:D

    .
    Fans are stupid for the most part, what they want or consider acceptable is kinda irrelevant.

    LuckyLloyd you hit the nail on the head. Sure it was only a week after the Munich anniversery where sport became a lesser issue for life and death but that point has been totally missed by most.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,303 ✭✭✭✭event


    ive no real problem with it

    however, you must be prepared to take some big tackles for doing that. Like it or not, if he plays in the next game someone will take him out IMO, no footballer likes to lose 4-0 and then have the piss taken of them.

    if he is going to play like that, he has to be able to take the kicking he's gonna get


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    event wrote: »
    if he is going to play like that, he has to be able to take the kicking he's gonna get
    imo. he was doing that because he was getting kicked.

    It was a bit of a fúck you to the arsenal players who had spent the game kicking lumps out of him. What better way to pay them back than to make them look a bit foolish. The bonus was that they couldn't handle it and started acting like Under 12's. They were only short of crying tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    The hole you dug yourself by your tirade of ridiculous arguments on this thread. That hole. To somewhere where that kind of soft-lad rubbish would be tolerated, a place i hope i never have to go to. Honestly, do u even realise that if Nani were to try to back into Hoyte and let the ball drop rather than do the multiple head ups, then he would have increased the chance of being dispossessed. You're just bein ridiculous and outing yourself as a blatant ABU with that kind of talk.



    Jesus lads seriously, and people wonder why footballers can be such sissies. Theres a lot worse things to be worrying about than showboating, If u cant handle it then maybe u should find a softer sport.

    LOL at this post.

    Ridiculous arguments? Essentially I have argued that:

    - Deliberately showboating or taunting fellow professional players is unprofessional behaviour which should not be condoned within football;
    - That non - competetive, one - sided contests are dull and boring and this sort of carry on at the end doesn't change that fact;

    Personally, I don't care whether that is "soft - lad rubbish" (lol!). Grandstanding doesn't make you "hard"; much as arguing a minority view on an internet forum doesn't make you "hard" or "soft".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,606 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    LOL at this post.

    Ridiculous arguments? Essentially I have argued that:

    - Deliberately showboating or taunting fellow professional players is unprofessional behaviour which should not be condoned within football;
    - That non - competetive, one - sided contests are dull and boring and this sort of carry on at the end doesn't change that fact;

    Personally, I don't care whether that is "soft - lad rubbish" (lol!). Grandstanding doesn't make you "hard"; much as arguing a minority view on an internet forum doesn't make you "hard" or "soft".

    This must make your blood boil so: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t31IhsvFXlg

    LOVE IT!


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