Daily Mirror Article today (Sat 17th Feb)

iceage

Airsoft getting a bit of a knock in todays Daily Mirror, page 2. Small article,


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Hivemind187

iceage wrote: »

Airsoft getting a bit of a knock in todays Daily Mirror, page 2. Small article,


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Ice,

can you transcribe it (write it out) and forward it to Kdouglas for addition to the other post?

kdouglas

indeed, the two articles posted already are in the independent and the star, curious to see what's in the mirror

gandalf

Looks like Labour are taking Fine Gaels sad habit of jumping on wagons and appearing tough on crime rather than actually forming a proper opposition and addressing the issues that actually do matter. More pathetic parish pump politics in action :rolleyes:

Miscreant

Looks like a knee jerk reaction from someone who has not looked up all the facts so it does. The part saying that people using airsofts need "heavy-duty protective equipment" is a complete fabrication. At least the IAA are on the case and will hopefully educate anyone involved.

iceage

PM'd KD, sorry it took so long, just home from work and I had No net access until now.:D

kdouglas

posted the transcript from the mirror article in the thread with stuff from the independent and the star

Mr. Presentable

Hehe "replica toy guns". They don't even have real grammar at the Mirror

Witcher

nipplenuts wrote: »

Hehe "replica toy guns". They don't even have real grammar at the Mirror

thats what they are " toy guns"




:cool::cool::cool:

IRISH RAIL

Great advertising though

ive seen her business card
when you want to get peoples attention just call liz !!
no cause too big or small anything STUPID just call

Hivemind187

Lads,

Please keep personal comments about the parties involved to a minimum ok? I know tempers are frayed and you all feel personally maligned by this kind of thing - justifiably so - but these boards are public and they are read on a daily basis by just the kind of people who will twist what is said.

They can only keep shooting while they have the ammo. No sense in arming the enemy eh?

Lemming

Hivemind187 wrote: »

They can only keep shooting while they have the ammo. No sense in arming the enemy eh?

What if they're shooting blanks?

Seriously though, why get mad at the Indo article folks. I laughed when I read it. I'm sure the Gardai had a good chuckle too, and no doubt members of the ERU have posted it up on the back of a toilet door for whomever wants a good laugh whilst taking a dump.

The entire argument is easily shot down and from a political point of view, the IAA - if it so wanted - could cause Liz a fair bit of embarrassment with this.

CrazyRabbit

The problem with these articles is that papers are far to quick to publish them. Yet, when the IAA points out how wrong they are, they never ever publish a correction of equal visibility.

IMHO, what is needed is a word with each of the papers asking them not to publish airsoft related articles without 1st getting the facts from the IAA. I'm sure they'd be keen to accept this, as we do have a press complaints commision (can't remember the exact name ATM) we can turn to if papers continually print lies to the point were it could be viewed as persecution our legal sport.

Genghiz Cohen

Lemming wrote: »

and no doubt members of the ERU have posted it up on the back of a toilet door for whomever wants a good laugh whilst taking a dump.

Or some toilet paper.

I laughed too, funny funny stuff, I'm sure the entire county is up in arms over this..... yup totally sure...
:rolleyes:

Hivemind187

A rather interesting study in the mutability of a story.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mheysnauojid/

Again folks, please dont let it get to you. Dont get personal about it.

Genghiz Cohen

Well at least they didn't say you could take down a fighter jet with them in this one.

IRISH RAIL

I love the part where they say speeds up to one joule
last time I and the physics teacer cheked a joule was a measure of energy not a velocity just goes to show how much reaserch they put into these articles and I tought silly season was over

CrazyRabbit

"“Numerous residents have contacted me to express their horror over the prospect of this shop opening."

They do have the internet down there, don't they? Or did someone forget to tell them about the 200+ online retailers that will happiy sell any AEG to ANYONE?

Fallschirmjager

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Well at least they didn't say you could take down a fighter jet with them in this one.

BAWHAHAHAHA.......

Site-Ops

"Daily Mirror" Its only a rag mag people who buy that [EMAIL="cr@p"]cr@p[/EMAIL] only want the pretty pictures they wont see the article.......

CrazyRabbit

Site-Ops wrote: »

"Daily Mirror" Its only a rag mag people who buy that cr@p only want the pretty pictures they wont see the article.......

Unfortunately people do actually buy this paper and the other tabloids. And what's worse is that they actually believe everything they print.

I really don't get it when people have the opinion that we should just bury our heads in the sand and ignore the bad press. A person might not believe one bad article about airsoft, but if they see a negative article about airsoft in different papers spread over several months, they will probably believe it then.

I really think we should be pushing for retractions/apologies/corrections in these papers. I know the complaints process is a nightmare, but if we cause enough hassle we might get them to stop printing crap about airsoft just to get us to leave them alone.

www.pressombudsman.ie

Here is the Code of Conduct for printed media in Ireland:
I think sections 1 & 2, along with point 3.1 are very relevant to us.

Principle 1 − Truth and Accuracy

1.1 In reporting news and information, newspapers and periodicals shall strive at all times for truth and accuracy.
1.2 When a significant inaccuracy, misleading statement or distorted report or picture has been published, it shall be corrected promptly and with due prominence.
1.3 When appropriate, a retraction, apology, clarification, explanation or response shall be published promptly and with due prominence.
Principle 2 − Distinguishing Fact and Comment

2.1 Comment, conjecture, rumour and unconfirmed reports shall not be reported as if they were fact, but newspapers and periodicals are entitled to advocate strongly their own views on topics.
2.2 Readers are entitled to expect that the content of a publication reflects the best judgement of editors and writers and has not been inappropriately influenced by undisclosed interests. Where relevant, any significant financial interest of an organisation should be disclosed. Writers should disclose significant potential conflicts of interest to their editor.
Principle 3 − Fairness and Honesty

3.1 Newspapers and periodicals shall strive at all times for fairness and honesty in the procuring and publishing of news and information.
3.2 Publications shall not obtain information, photographs or other material through misrepresentation or subterfuge, unless justified by the public interest.
3.3 Journalists and photographers must not obtain, or seek to obtain, information and photographs through harassment, unless their actions are justified in the public interest.
Principle 4 − Respect for Rights

Everyone has constitutional protection for his/her good name. Newspapers and periodicals shall not knowingly publish matter based on malicious misrepresentation or unfounded accusations. Publications must take reasonable care in checking facts before publication.
Principle 5 − Privacy

5.1 Privacy is a human right, protected as a personal right in the Irish Constitution and the European Convention on Human Rights, which is incorporated into Irish law. The private and family life, home and correspondence of everyone must be respected.
5.2 Readers are entitled to have news and comment presented with respect for the privacy and sensibilities of individuals. However, the right to privacy should not prevent publication of matters of public record or in the public interest.
5.3 Sympathy and discretion must be shown at all times in seeking information in situations of personal grief or shock. In publishing such information, the feelings of grieving families should be taken into account. This should not be interpreted as restricting the right to report judicial proceedings.
5.4 Public persons are entitled to privacy. However, where a person holds public office, deals with public affairs, follows a public career, or has sought or obtained publicity for his activities, publication of relevant details of his private life and circumstances may be justifiable where the information revealed relates to the validity of the person's conduct, the credibility of his public statements, the value of his publicly expressed views or is otherwise in the public interest.
5.5 Taking photographs of individuals in private places without their consent is not acceptable, unless justified by the public interest.
Principle 6 − Protection of Source

Journalists shall protect confidential sources of information.
Principle 7 − Court Reporting

Newspapers and periodicals shall strive to ensure that court reports (including the use of photographs) are fair and accurate, are not prejudicial to the right to a fair trial and that the presumption of innocence is respected.
Principle 8 − Incitement to Hatred

Newspapers and periodicals shall not publish material intended or likely to cause grave offence or stir up hatred against an individual or group on the basis of their race, religion, nationality, colour, ethnic origin, gender, sexual orientation, marital status, disability, illness or age.
Principle 9 − Children

9.1 Newspapers and periodicals shall take particular care in seeking and presenting information or comment about a child under the age of 16.
9.2 Journalists and editors should have regard for the vulnerability of children and in all dealings with children should bear in mind the age of the child, whether parental or other adult consent has been obtained for such dealings, the sensitivity of the subject-matter, and what circumstances if any make the story one of public interest. Young people should be free to complete their time at school without unnecessary intrusion. The fame, notoriety or position of a parent or guardian must not be used as sole justification for publishing details of a child's private life.
Principle 10 − Publication of the Decision of the Press Ombudsman

10.1 When requested or required by the Press Ombudsman and/or the Press Council to do so, newspapers and periodicals shall publish the decision in relation to a complaint with due prominence.

Site-Ops

I was told in work that there is also a press in one of the Metro or Herald am this morning regarding the Bray incident.... I cant find it though.

kdouglas

Rabbit: did you actually read the process for submitting a complaint to the press ombudsman? You must submit a letter to the editor of the newspaper first, then give him ample time to reply, only then if he doesn't reply can you go to the press ombudsman. and even then, the press ombudsman may or may not decide to do anything about it.

As was stated by Ronan, the IAA have submitted letter's to the editor as a unified voice for all airsoft players in Ireland, everyone submitting individual complaints just makes us look unorganised

CrazyRabbit

kdouglas wrote: »

Rabbit: did you actually read the process for submitting a complaint to the press ombudsman? You must submit a letter to the editor of the newspaper first, then give him ample time to reply, only then if he doesn't reply can you go to the press ombudsman. and even then, the press ombudsman may or may not decide to do anything about it.

As was stated by Ronan, the IAA have submitted letter's to the editor as a unified voice for all airsoft players in Ireland, everyone submitting individual complaints just makes us look unorganised

Aye, I know about the letter and the process. I'm still a firm believer in the strenght of numbers. It's easy to ignore a single complaint and play it down. I used to handle complaints for a Helpdesk and I know from experience that if a lot of people make the same complaint, it gets far more attention, and generally a better outcome. I also made complaints to NTL for months due to poor service. It wasn't until I started making 3 complaints a day that I got their attention and the issue was fixed in 3 days. Unfortunately, most companies really don't care about complaints. You have to make it worth their while to fix the issue.

Of course, we should wait and see what reply the editor gives, though I'm expecting weeks of delay.

Basically, I'm just suggesting plan B.

Site-Ops

"Residents of a north Wicklow town are up in arms over plans to open a shop selling realistic looking toy guns for use in a combat warfare game."

Note: the Words TOY and GAME.......

“The weapons on sale are designed to look identical to weapons that discharge live ammunition,” she said."

Now Note: the words Weapons and Ammunition.....

Do you think the readers will notice the contradiction of words? Toy, Game, Weapons, Ammunition...... or parhaps put them together.....

Toy weapons and ammunition to play the GAME.

In all honesty the piece drafted by the editor does not read too bad (Toy and Game) Is the funny quotes by the Vote hunting politician that will stick out unfortunately.