Fundamental Rights

rigormortis · 12-02-2008 8:06am #1

Has anyone got any views on this;

http://www.infowars.com/?p=194

N8 · 12-02-2008 9:23am

rigormortis wrote: »

Has anyone got any views on this;

http://www.infowars.com/?p=194

coming to The 'New' Ireland soon...

rigormortis · 12-02-2008 9:24am

N8 wrote: »

coming to The 'New' Ireland soon...

Correct, but all for the good of the masses at large........ An absolute horror show.

N8 · 12-02-2008 10:05am

enslavement of the masses...

Eero · 12-02-2008 10:25am

N8 wrote: »

enslavement of the masses...

Thats the way the masses want it.

djpbarry · 12-02-2008 10:55am

rigormortis wrote: »

Has anyone got any views on this;

Didn't you post this in AH too?

Eero wrote: »

Thats the way the masses want it.

Ah, yet another alter ego.

sovtek · 12-02-2008 11:00am

Eero wrote: »

Thats the way the masses want it.

I seriously doubt it. I'd imagine that most people expect the police to act according to the law they are meant to uphold.

rigormortis · 12-02-2008 11:01am

djpbarry wrote: »

Didn't you post this in AH too?

Have you got a problem with this? And I'll even answer your next question, it is not spamming, it is gathering a range of opinions.

djpbarry wrote: »

Ah, yet another alter ego.

I am sure our good friend OB would have site banned both if he thought they were the same person, so yet again you are in the wrong.

Have you any comments on the subject of this thread or are you just here to cause friction?

rigormortis · 12-02-2008 11:02am

sovtek wrote: »

I seriously doubt it. I'd imagine that most people expect the police to act according to the law they are meant to uphold.

Well then why do they constantly refuse to stand up against such violations. Silence is consent, always has been.

djpbarry · 12-02-2008 11:43am

rigormortis wrote: »

Have you any comments on the subject of this thread or are you just here to cause friction?

Fine. I think it is an extremely biased report that seems to be very light on facts.

rigormortis · 12-02-2008 12:01pm

djpbarry wrote: »

Fine. I think it is an extremely biased report that seems to be very light on facts.

Its not the first or last time we have heard of such brutality.

djpbarry · 12-02-2008 12:04pm

rigormortis wrote: »

Its not the first or last time we have heard of such brutality.

Do you believe everything you see on television?

N8 · 12-02-2008 12:04pm

djpbarry wrote: »

Fine. I think it is an extremely biased report that seems to be very light on facts.

it may well be: no previous, wife of a school teacher, she was the victim of an assault, her cousin called the police, an officer took her dead sister's ID off her then told her to shut up about her dead sister, arrested her when she wouldn't then stripped her naked and left her in a cell solitary overnight in pain (from the assault) without medical attention, without a sheet even to cover her....

rigormortis wrote: »

Its not the first or last time we have heard of such brutality.

Brian Rossiter anyone?

djpbarry wrote: »

Do you believe everything you see on television?

fair point but far from isolated in the US and becoming increasingly common here in Ireland.

sovtek · 12-02-2008 12:07pm

rigormortis wrote: »

Well then why do they constantly refuse to stand up against such violations. Silence is consent, always has been.

Actually there are various groups that do speak up about issues of police brutality and other such repressive actions of the government. You might not always hear about it.

rigormortis · 12-02-2008 12:14pm

djpbarry wrote: »

Do you believe everything you see on television?

rigormortis · 12-02-2008 12:17pm

sovtek wrote: »

Actually there are various groups that do speak up about issues of police brutality and other such repressive actions of the government. You might not always hear about it.

True. That is again the role played by the media, somewhat of a filtering medium. A point has long since been reached where enough is enough.

djpbarry · 12-02-2008 12:20pm

N8 wrote: »

...she was the victim of an assault, her cousin called the police, an officer took her dead sister's ID off her then told her to shut up about her dead sister, arrested her when she wouldn't then stripped her naked and left her in a cell solitary overnight in pain (from the assault) without medical attention, without a sheet even to cover her....

According to the "victim". The point is we don't really know what happened and, as such, discussing any crime that may or may not have taken place is pointless because we don't have all the facts. We might as well be discussing an article in today's News of the World.

N8 wrote: »

fair point but far from isolated in the US and becoming increasingly common here in Ireland.

Biased reporting? Absolutely.

rigormortis wrote: »

That is again the role played by the media, somewhat of a filtering medium.

And yet you are prepared to take this particular video at face value, even though you admit that the media are far from perfect?

rigormortis · 12-02-2008 12:26pm

djpbarry wrote: »

According to the "victim". The point is we don't really know what happened and, as such, discussing any crime that may or may not have taken place is pointless because we don't have all the facts. We might as well be discussing an article in today's News of the World.

There will always be two sides to any story. In this case the video evidence was released by the Sheriff.

djpbarry wrote: »

And yet you are prepared to take this particular video at face value, even though you admit that the media are far from perfect?

You have to analyse the situation. What had this particular news station to gain by reporting this event. In my opinion only for the fact of unquestionable evidence they would not have became involved.

Adam · 12-02-2008 12:49pm

rigormortis wrote: »

There will always be two sides to any story. In this case the video evidence was released by the Sheriff.

Which only reinforces the point that they had nothing to hide and were simply doing their job. But the media picked it up and ran with it, with no fair side to the story from the sheriff himself.

rigormortis wrote: »

You have to analyse the situation. What had this particular news station to gain by reporting this event. In my opinion only for the fact of unquestionable evidence they would not have became involved.

They had lot's to gain, in as far as news stations are concerned. They had it as an exclusive. And they therefore gain viewers. Which let's face it, is all that matters in tv land a lot of the time.

I think it's a incredibly biased report, with the wrong ideas in mind on the news stations part, and over-hyped.

I see no physical wrong-doing in the video towards the woman at all, other than the fact that she was in cuffs, which is enforced by the fact that she was clearly not cooperating and has been charged with even resisting the initial arrest.

rigormortis · 12-02-2008 12:54pm

Mirror wrote: »

I see no physical wrong-doing in the video towards the woman at all

After you make a statement like that I can only conclude that you are trolling. Go to the soccer forum or I assume there is a celebrity forum also.

Adam · 12-02-2008 1:52pm

rigormortis wrote: »

After you make a statement like that I can only conclude that you a trolling. Go to the soccer forum or I assume there is a celebrity forum also.

Instead of just being an imbicile about it and accusing me of trolling, why don't you provide some sort of support for your argument.

Debating lessons to be honest.

Zombrex · 12-02-2008 2:15pm

rigormortis wrote: »

Has anyone got any views on this;

http://www.infowars.com/?p=194

I think its great ...

Wait, was that the wrong answer?

Zombrex · 12-02-2008 2:17pm

N8 wrote: »

fair point but far from isolated in the US and becoming increasingly common here in Ireland.

Women are regularly strip searched by male gardai?

rigormortis · 12-02-2008 2:21pm

Wicknight wrote: »

Women are regularly strip searched by male gardai?

I think he was referring to police brutality, even sited a case if I remember correctly.

Zombrex · 12-02-2008 2:24pm

rigormortis wrote: »

I think he was referring to police brutality, even sited a case if I remember correctly.

And police brutality is becoming increasingly common in Ireland?

Moriarty · 12-02-2008 2:24pm

Rigormortis, next time you create a thread please remember to place your own opinion in the opening post. If I see another thread with a link and "Discuss." placed after it the thread will be locked.

If you think someone is trolling report the post and do not make any comment about it on the thread.

Please pay attention to ^^ or you'll end up banned soon enough.

rigormortis · 12-02-2008 2:28pm

Moriarty wrote: »

Rigormortis, next time you create a thread please remember to place your own opinion in the opening post. If I see another thread with a link and "Discuss." placed after it the thread will be locked.

If you think someone is trolling report the post and do not make any comment about it on the thread.

Please pay attention to ^^ or you'll end up banned soon enough.

Did not know there was a problem with this. The problems normally start when I state my opinions:D. Duly noted.

rigormortis · 12-02-2008 2:33pm

Wicknight wrote: »

And police brutality is becoming increasingly common in Ireland?

It is rampant everywhere. You see a lot of people in authority seem to believe that they are above the law. And they are correct in a lot of cases.

djpbarry · 12-02-2008 2:53pm

Wicknight wrote: »

I think its great ...

Wait, was that the wrong answer?

rigormortis wrote: »

I think he was referring to police brutality, even sited a case if I remember correctly.

He cited ONE case, which, as far as I know, is still under investigation. One case does not constitute widespread occurrence.

rigormortis wrote: »

It is rampant everywhere.

Do you ever back up your statements with evidence? Please provide some sort of evidence that police brutality is rampant everywhere in Ireland.

rigormortis · 12-02-2008 2:56pm

djpbarry wrote: »

Please provide some sort of evidence that police brutality is rampant everywhere in Ireland.

Shell to Sea, strike a bell?

djpbarry · 12-02-2008 3:08pm

rigormortis wrote: »

Shell to Sea, strike a bell?

I presume you are referring to the clashes in November 2006? According to the RTE report of the incident, "a number of people were injured", but it doesn't say how. However, there were no reports of Gardaí capturing women and stripping them.

I still don't think we have uncovered the "rampant brutality" that you are referring to.

Zombrex · 12-02-2008 3:10pm

rigormortis wrote: »

It is rampant everywhere.

As others have asked, can you quantify that in any meaningful way?

rigormortis · 12-02-2008 3:14pm

I already said it was an absolute disgrace. As for the charter, I apologized for that, as I said the problems normally start when I voice my views, not when I refrain.

sovtek · 12-02-2008 3:18pm

djpbarry wrote: »

I presume you are referring to the clashes in November 2006? According to the RTE report of the incident, "a number of people were injured", but it doesn't say how. However, there were no reports of Gardaí capturing women and stripping them.

I still don't think we have uncovered the "rampant brutality" that you are referring to.

I can't comment on the Shell to Sea incident(s) but I will remind people of May Day. I've also seen first hand how the guards descended upon two French guys with boots and fists that were doing nothing more than yelling at each other outside a club one late night (looked like a gay lovers spat to me).
I've also seen how the bouncers got away with punching whomever didn't verbally agree to their door policy by the guards at Fitzsimmons in Temple Bar when I lived across the road from it.
I got rolling eyes when I tried to tell a Ban Garda (spelling) one night that the two skinny Polish lads that the two bouncers had just beaten silly never once raised their fists or made any threatening moves against them.

rigormortis · 12-02-2008 3:24pm

Wicknight wrote: »

As others have asked, can you quantify that in any meaningful way?

My personal experience, thats what I base a lot of opinions on. I don't have to be shown "reality" by the media.

djpbarry · 12-02-2008 3:27pm

rigormortis wrote: »

I don't have to be shown "reality" by the media.

Is there any point in continuing?

rigormortis · 12-02-2008 3:28pm

djpbarry wrote: »

Is there any point in continuing?

Probably not, you seem oblivious to the situation.

djpbarry · 12-02-2008 3:30pm

rigormortis wrote: »

Has anyone got any views on this;

http://www.infowars.com/?p=194

rigormortis wrote: »

I don't have to be shown "reality" by the media.

rigormortis wrote: »

...you seem oblivious to the situation.

Yes, I'm the oblivious one :rolleyes:

Zombrex · 12-02-2008 3:41pm

rigormortis wrote: »

My personal experience, thats what I base a lot of opinions on.

Well unless you undertook some form of hands on research study into this issue your personal experience would be rather limited in this regard.

How many people have you met or recorded from news sources, that have been involved in cases of proven or alleged police brutality in Ireland in the last 10 years?

One what basis do you make the assessment that cases of police brutality are increasing? Do you have statistical evidence that you can compare different time frames to see an increase?

rigormortis wrote: »

I don't have to be shown "reality" by the media.

Well possibly not, but it would be helpful to your argument if you could show us "reality" other than simply hear say on your part.

Adam · 12-02-2008 7:25pm

rigormortis wrote: »

Probably not, you seem oblivious to the situation.

Unfortunately, it seems everyone else here, regardless of the side they are arguing, are more well informed and capable of having an intellectual conversation than you. And I use this thread as evidence to quantify that. You insult me, and neglect to respond to my points, and then swing blindly at the thread like a mole changing a lightbulb.

oscarBravo · 12-02-2008 9:36pm

Hm. I forgot to Cat ban this genius from Soc; but then, I thought he'd be site banned by now.

/pokes the Smods.

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