Judo Clubs Question

Cole

I am interested in starting Judo in Galway and am checking out the clubs in the area.

Two of the clubs I've come across are the Galway Judo Club in Creaven House and the Galway City School of Judo in Ballybrit.
The former is a member of Judo Ireland, I think...and the latter is a member of the Irish Judo Association.

I do not want to generate a debate on the politics of the opposing organisations, but I'm curious as to what recognition the training/grading of the two groups has.

For example, if I moved to somewhere else in the country and wanted to train in a local club which happens to be an IJA member and I had previously been training in a JI member club, would they recognise my grade/training..and vice versa?

Also, what is the recognition abroad should you wish to continue training?

Thanks

Nothingcompares

I think you should forget about belts and associations. go and train in both the clubs for a few days and see which one you prefer and then stick with it.

kodute

Cole wrote: »

would they recognise my grade/training..and vice versa?

Also, what is the recognition abroad should you wish to continue training?

The way I see it is they will recognise your training when you put them on the mat!

I read somewhere that JI membership will not allow you to take part in events run by the associations of various european countries because of insurance issues. Not sure though, ask that in the clubs.

As NothingCompares said, go to both clubs and try them out, see which you like best.
I find John Creaven to be an excellent teacher and the club is friendly and relaxed.

Judomad

speaking as an irish international fighter in judo, the ija is the only irish organise for judo which is regognise by the world and european unions, so if ur looking to be recognised as a worldwide thing then go to galway school of judo, and also frances trainer who is the ija president runs that club...great facilities, one of the only full time judo dojo's in the country

corkjudo

I think the main difference you will find in the IJA and JI Clubs is absolutely nothing!! Judo is Judo and lets face it when was the last time we actually produced world class players so how can these rumours influence your decision? Also both associations have had players enter competitions abroad in the past six months which begs the question "Who starts these rumours?"
Anyway,You will gain more benifit from getting a sound foundation in judo techniques from either clubs and then you can travel to other clubs from time to time to find variations and different styles of the techniques you have learned. Judo is a lifelong learning experience(there is much more to judo than competition) so i beg you not to get bogged down by the politics as they are at the moment(but live in hope that it can be sorted out in the near future) and just train for yourself wherever suits you.

GIVE JUDO BACK TO THE JUDO PLAYERS WHO LOVE IT!

Judomad

corkjudo wrote: »

"Who starts these rumours?"

well the fact these are not rumours is the main reason i would say it....if you check the eju there is no recognition on ji.

corkjudo wrote: »

when was the last time we actually produced world class players

two words answer this.......Lisa Kearney, shes the first irish person to win an "A" tournament which was last year, she went to the whole "A" competition grand prix circuit last year and wasnt disgraced in any one of the comps, she won fights at every one of them...

Nothingcompares

corkjudo wrote: »

I think the main difference you will find in the IJA and JI Clubs is absolutely nothing!! Judo is Judo and lets face it when was the last time we actually produced world class players so how can these rumours influence your decision? Also both associations have had players enter competitions abroad in the past six months which begs the question "Who starts these rumours?"
Anyway,You will gain more benifit from getting a sound foundation in judo techniques from either clubs and then you can travel to other clubs from time to time to find variations and different styles of the techniques you have learned. Judo is a lifelong learning experience(there is much more to judo than competition) so i beg you not to get bogged down by the politics as they are at the moment(but live in hope that it can be sorted out in the near future) and just train for yourself wherever suits you.

GIVE JUDO BACK TO THE JUDO PLAYERS WHO LOVE IT!

quoted for truth.

Judomad

Nothingcompares wrote: »

quoted for truth.

what do you mean quoted for truth??

Nothingcompares

I mean if I was going to post on this subject I'd just be paraphrasing corkjudo cos I'm in much agreement with him. So instead I'll just quote him and give him my endorsement.

dlofnep

Nothingcompares wrote: »

I mean if I was going to post on this subject I'd just be paraphrasing corkjudo cos I'm in much agreement with him. So instead I'll just quote him and give him my endorsement.

QFT

Burnt

Nothingcompares wrote: »

I mean if I was going to post on this subject I'd just be paraphrasing corkjudo cos I'm in much agreement with him. So instead I'll just quote him and give him my endorsement.

QFT

Judomad

im new to the site so iv no idea what QFT means im afraid so ill not remark on it, whereas the fact iv said lisa kearney won an "A" tournament last year is a specific case, i dont know where i can find this on the net but its truth so that cancells out the original "when was the last time we produced no world class fighter"

so make of it what you want.

Pingu

Lisa Kearney 2006 profile http://www.irishjudoassociation.ie/content/view/23/40/

As for for all the "QFT" it echoes the previous point that ppl don't care with whom their club is affiliated once they to do good Judo and enjoy themselves.

If ppl train where and with whom suits them best it's better for the sport as a whole.

Judomad

Pingu wrote: »

Lisa Kearney 2006 profile http://www.irishjudoassociation.ie/content/view/23/40/

As for for all the "QFT" it echoes the previous point that ppl don't care with whom their club is affiliated once they to do good Judo and enjoy themselves.

If ppl train where and with whom suits them best it's better for the sport as a whole.

thanks for the link

and i understand what your saying about the sport in general, but he asked specically which association would be more recognised if he continued his training abroad, and i said ija is the only irish association which was recognised by the eju..

Lockstep

Sorry to hijack the thread, but anyone able to tell me about the NUI Galway judo club?

I'd be interested in heading along for a gander, just wondering what people thought of it.

Pingu

Well I'm just home from training in NUIG, so i may be slightly biased. But if you've any questions ask away, rather than me giving you a "we're deadly" rant.

http://www.judo.nuigalway.ie/index.php

We're just back from the Varsities. (Threw this up on another thread, sorry for repeating it, but gives an idea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQhhk_drq9U ) more than half of us that went down medalled at it, so go us!!!

arybvtcw0eolkf

Hey Pingu, thats some really nice Judo in that clip..

Were you featured?.

beGood

I trained with NUIG when I lived in Ireland and always enjoyed it.

Regarding the other Galway clubs, I've been to sessions taken by both FT of the GCSJ and JC of the GJC and they're both competent coaches that know Judo.

Which club to train with depends on your aim. If you want to go to the olympics then your only option is GCSJ. If you're training as a hobby then check them both out and choose the club that you enjoy training in. Another consideration is the convenience of the trip to the dojo. It's a bad start if it's an effort just to get to training and you run the risk of quitting.

There are two ways of looking at grades. If Judo is just a hobby then they're nice to have but when it comes down to it the belt is just for tying up your gi. If you'd like to get into coaching or refereeing then the grades are needed.

I'm certain a JI grade won't be recognised by the IJA. But if you go with GJC and end up switching association then it'll probably happen before you get too high on the JI grading ladder so I wouldn't worry about it. IJA grades should be recognised by JI, otherwise the JI founders wouldn't recognise their own grades

As for abroad, it depends.

When I trained in Paris my sensei recognised my Irish grade when I got a FFJDA passport. I was never asked whether my Irish grades were IJF affiliated but it seems he was more interested in time in grade and what he saw from me in training. And since he's a Kodokan 8th Dan (recently promoted to 9th Dan by the FFJDA), who's going to argue with that?

I live in Finland now and I know that when I graded to 1st Dan here the FJA had to notify my old association (the IJA) due to EJU rules. I'm not sure whether they would have graded me if I came from JI but anything's possible.

However, the most important thing is to train hard and enjoy Judo! I hope this info helps

Nothingcompares

Just a small point concerning the Olympics.

Nobody is going to the Olympics. Especially not someone who is going to train once or twice a week starting at age 30. This should not even be considered. It's like someone saying they want to join the local football team but they're reluctant to because they're expecting a call from Manchester United.

Secondly, anyone that is good enough in JI to compete at A-tournament level would be eventually "looked after" by the IJA in order to compete.

Judomad

Nothingcompares wrote: »

Secondly, anyone that is good enough in JI to compete at A-tournament level would be eventually "looked after" by the IJA in order to compete.

well this isnt neccessarily true, on my recently updated ija license you must sign a part saying you are not a member of any other judo association, someone who is good enough but with ji wont be considered unless they join ija which i dont think would happen.
its all politics and its very s****y i much prefered when we had the one association and the politics werent an issue now you can only enter comps that are run by your own association over here.

and in regards to the olympics comment Nothingcompares, i think what he was sayin was that if you were aiming to get as far as the olympics or as far as possible internationally, with ji you wont get the opportunity to represent your country in an eju tourni, and i dont know you personally but reppin your country at any level is an amazing feeling!!!!!

Lockstep

Pingu wrote: »

Well I'm just home from training in NUIG, so i may be slightly biased. But if you've any questions ask away, rather than me giving you a "we're deadly" rant.

http://www.judo.nuigalway.ie/index.php

We're just back from the Varsities. (Threw this up on another thread, sorry for repeating it, but gives an idea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQhhk_drq9U ) more than half of us that went down medalled at it, so go us!!!

pm sent.