Irish airsoft website?

Stercus Accidit

gotactical.ie

Just found this, is it new?

It looks as if its just a list of products from the asg catalogue.

I havn't heard of this website before.
Edit: Its still under construction, they claim to have a 2000 square foot showroom, or at least will.
Isn't the market saturated yet by now? And the prices dont seem anything special.

On a side note they stock, or at least have available to them, lasers and mounts, which I understand are component parts of a firearm.

Witcher

its clearly a rip off

he has a vest for 189 and shiva sell it for 90!



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Stercus Accidit

I imagine they will have to alter those prices to get a foothold in this market.

They sell knives too. Knives and "lazers" wtf.

deepimpact

Nah, stick with mia, eirsoft, airsofteire and ias. Anything on that site can be found for at least 20% less on the other sites.

Masada

looks like they have a decent range but at pretty large prices.,

Lemming

Crazy prices. For example:

Classic Army M249 MK.II

GoTactical.ie - €936.22

MIA - €679.99

That is an insane difference in price! :eek:

Stercus Accidit

vtec wrote: »

looks like they have a decent range but at pretty large prices.,

Just looks like the asg catalogue, I doubt they will have all of that in stock at one time, unless they make a huge investment, which in a market already well serviced, would be a risky move.

JonAnderton

Yep... I think I'll be sticking with my usual suppliers for now...

kevteljeur

Motosam wrote: »

I imagine they will have to alter those prices to get a foothold in this market.

They sell knives too. Knives and "lazers" wtf.

I spelled them like that when I was 8. With the 'z'. Sometimes even as 'lazor'. I think in this case it is what's known as a market differentiator

TheFlatulator

very expensive altogether....

CrazyRabbit

Lemming wrote: »

Crazy prices. For example:

Classic Army M249 MK.II

GoTactical.ie - €936.22

MIA - €679.99

That is an insane difference in price! :eek:

Well 2000 square foot showrooms are not cheap. Then there's heating/lighting/security/staff/coffee/biscuits etc.
I hope they actually increase their prices for two reasons.
1. A walk-in superstore might have lax policies about who they sell to. Smaller stores run by airsofters for airsofters are much more selective.
2. We know the guys that run the current Irish shops. They are part of our community and I'd hate to see them lose any business.

Cheeky monkey

Wow look at the prices that are on those grenades! Thats just rediculas!

But I liking the look of the mine

zero19

Meh no thanks, what's with these over priced shops lately? Good god

zero19

Oh also this seems to be over powered http://gotactical.ie/product_info.php?cPath=112_61_63&products_id=151

The Master

TM G3 SG1 €457

Ca SAR TAKTIK II €395

Even these prices dont make sense
Theres no way the TM is more expensive than the CA version

Witcher

Robster wrote: »

TM G3 SG1 €457

Ca SAR TAKTIK II €395

Even these prices dont make sense
Theres no way the TM is more expensive than the CA version

i thought tm was a better brand??



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Stercus Accidit

zero19 wrote: »

Oh also this seems to be over powered http://gotactical.ie/product_info.php?cPath=112_61_63&products_id=151

lasers, knives, firearms.

The iaa should contact them, I assume that the site owners have not yet imported any thing yet, as the site itself is unfinished.

I will pm one of the iaa members now.

The Master

blay1 wrote: »

i thought tm was a better brand??
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Well thats a matter of opinion ,
But nowhere else in the world sells the TM version for more than the CA
CA is metal body and around 300fps
TM is ABS body and around 270fps

Witcher

Robster wrote: »

Well thats a matter of opinion ,
But nowhere else in the world sells the TM version for more than the CA
CA is metal body and around 300fps
TM is ABS body and around 270fps

oh right.



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Popanddrop

just checked out the links, god what a rip off.

Dr_Pepper

zero19 wrote: »

Oh also this seems to be over powered http://gotactical.ie/product_info.php?cPath=112_61_63&products_id=151

In relation to this product the IAA are now engaging in talks with the retailer.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

Also "Product not found!" is displaying where the offending item was.

Regards,
Conor Scolard

Stercus Accidit

Perhaps the lasers should also be discussed, and knives are completely unneeded on an apparently mainly airsoft based site.

Wont take your bang kill huh? *stab* not in the spirit of a fun day out really!

ambro25

Motosam wrote: »

Perhaps the lasers should also be discussed

Unlike the Joule limit and the legality or not of some BDU, lasers are very much still a grey issue in view of Irish Statutes: after due consideration, the IAA has adopted one stance about lasers in view of an interpretation (which will be published in t he near future) of the relevant Statutes, which stance is first and foremost dictated by regard/caution for the sport and its practitioners - it is by no means a diktat, it is a position.

As regularly explained, the IAA cannot 'force' anybody to run their business one way or the other, only encourage them to abide by recommended Retailer Guidelines (irrespective of whether they affiliate or not and, of course, their affiliation remaining at all times dependent on the continued abiding).

Bearing the above in mind, we cannot 'force' retailers to not sell lasers, we can only inform them and airsofters that using lasers in connection with airsoft appears very dubious, legally speaking.

It's very different from an 'over-1-Joule' situation, because this is covered by a clear statute with little to no room for any interpretation: in such a case, we can inform the retailer (as was the case with this shop last night) that they are effectively advertising a firearm (per the legal definition of same) and that they must be appropriately licensed to sell it, and that prospective purchasers must also have a relevant firearms license to buy it .

It is then up to the retailer to 'regularise' ASAP, or face the music (but not played by the IAA this time )

Stercus Accidit

I understand, but a retailer will likely err on the side of caution if the can in theory be prosecuted for illegal sale of component parts of a firearm, and for the sake of a few cheapo lasers, their profit margin is safe with the aegs etc.

I wasnt suggesting laying the smack down, just if they knew the greyness of the lasers, at least they can decide what they will do informed.

Fair play ambro contacting them so quickly might I add.

zero19

Yup fair play lads

Dr_Pepper

Motosam wrote: »

I understand, but a retailer will likely err on the side of caution if the can in theory be prosecuted for illegal sale of component parts of a firearm, and for the sake of a few cheapo lasers, their profit margin is safe with the aegs etc.

I wasnt suggesting laying the smack down, just if they knew the greyness of the lasers, at least they can decide what they will do informed.

Fair play ambro contacting them so quickly might I add.

Well we will be in further contact with them and will inform them of our position and the reasons for this approach. Hopefully they will adopt this.

Abu_Pablo

Reliability come first, TM made to the market first and because of japanese laws they can limit some parts of their AEG assault rifle to very sturdy abs plastic. Although bit pricy reliability and quality comes first. CA is one of High End AEG and their reviews are excellent but sorry never had CA before. Read a review to your prospects then make a move otherwise you find yourself dead in the line of fire.

c-90

give this site a few months and when there not making money the prices might come down and then we could have anothe retailer with a good range to chose from as for the lasers nd knifes awell:)

Blackthorn1011

c-90 wrote: »

give this site a few months and when there not making money the prices might come down and then we could have anothe retailer with a good range to chose from as for the lasers nd knifes awell:)

And then I shal buy this http://gotactical.ie/product_info.php?cPath=135&products_id=330! :cool::cool:

Caption McMillian anyone? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Puding

or you could try something like this http://www.recon-company.com/Ghillie_Suit-1070c.html

http://www.recon-company.com/MBS_Ghillie_Suit_Sniper_3_Piece_with_Strips_Size_M_L__XL__XXL___-9745-1070-d.html

Blackthorn1011

I'd love to, but I really dont think I could justify it.

But you'd never know....:rolleyes:

Harekin

c-90 wrote: »

give this site a few months and when there not making money the prices might come down and then we could have anothe retailer with a good range to chose from as for the lasers nd knifes awell:)

While this MIGHT be true, I personally think its a really bad business move to rush into a well serviced market like ours with crazy (not good crazy!) prices like that.

NakedDex

Puding wrote: »

http://www.recon-company.com/MBS_Ghillie_Suit_Sniper_3_Piece_with_Strips_Size_M_L__XL__XXL___-9745-1070-d.html

I have one of those, I'm gonna try it out one of these days.

Stercus Accidit

In fairness I doubt they intend to trade on those prices, they will mark it as a 20% discount and sell at that.

The prices are probably just a factor of the wholesale price, multiplied with initial calculations. 1.5 times or 2 times cost to cover overheads.

Remember this is a site under construction, so this may not see the light of day for a bit, about us, returns etc. is not yet up.

Either all prices will be recalculated when more of the costs have been tallied or they will mark the items as 20% or so off, making the prices more level, and appearing to give better value to the uninitiated.

If they intend to have a showroom, the prices may be higher, but they wont get away with this sh1te. Most businesses in an established market can not expect huge profits in the first year, this market is now fairly established, if not saturated, they may have trouble settling in, unless they can add seriously to the existing customer base via advertising and the showroom.

Spitfire666

Motosam wrote: »

I understand, but a retailer will likely err on the side of caution if the can in theory be prosecuted for illegal sale of component parts of a firearm, and for the sake of a few cheapo lasers, their profit margin is safe with the aegs etc.

I wasnt suggesting laying the smack down, just if they knew the greyness of the lasers, at least they can decide what they will do informed.

Fair play ambro contacting them so quickly might I add.

Although not allowed on boards.ie, lasers are not illegal and although the parts could fit onto a real gun, they are not designed to, they are designed to fit airsoft guns. if that was the case then ablot of airsofts would be illegal as slides and grips can all be mounted to real steal guns from airsoft ones.

I have the legal act infront of me and it states
"telescope sights with a light beam, or telescope sights with an electronic light amplification device or an infa-red device, designed to be fitted to a firearm specified in paragraph (a), (b), (c) or (e)"

So in other words it need to be a scope with a laser or a scope with night vision designed for a firearm,

NOT, a scope on its own or a laser on its own or night vision on its own.


Also, as its mentioned in the above paragraph i might as well put it in,

"(a) a lethal firearm or other lethal weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged

(b) an air gun, (which expression includes an air rifle or air pistol) or any other weapon incorporting a barrel from which metal or other slugs can be discharged

(c) a crossbow

(e) a prohibited weapon as defined in section 1(1) of the Firearms Act 1925"

The above paragraph (B) has been changed in the new act to exclude airsoft guns from this section

Everything inside the " " is word for word from the act.

The key part im pointing out is that the law clearly states DESIGNED TO BE FITTED TO A FIREARM

Not that it CAN BE FITTED TO A FIREARM

Puding

The problem with that is that many can argue that a 20mm ris mount is a 20mm ris mount and can be mount on a airsoft device or a firearm there is is no real practical way of only having a laser that can be used with an airsoft device if its designed for that then its my default design for the real firearm.

From all i've read from the IAA and there interview with the DJ it seems more than anything there airing on the side of caution know that it is a grey area.

2 cents

Spitfire666

but to go with that logic, wouldn't scopes/grips/stocks etc all be illegal?
Even certain airsoft slide will swap directly with a real steal one.

I dont see where the grey area argument is comming from.

Puding

Is there any legal comments on any of the items you use quoted? so far no one has said anything about those parts, i myself have only ever seem the laser legal classification, know if there is comments referring to these other items (stock grips scope) then yes my comments still stand for these items they must do, your example of the slide i believe not to be true, yes you may find a slide that can 'fit' on a conventional fire arm but it would break if ever used due to the material involved, if they did not as far as im aware they would be illegal to import into Ireland.

But as i said thought the IAA and others have acknowledge that the legislation can be interpreted both ways but prefer to act on the side of caution.

Spitfire666

No, they are not mentioned and thats my point, lasers are not mentioned either.
SCOPES are mentioned but it is telescope sights incorparating a light beam not a scope on its own or a light beam on its own (which would include a torch as its a beam of light).

A laser is not a telescope sight. its as simple as that. the componant part is what people are clinging to when arguing against the lasers as the mount makes them part of the airsoft gun or firearm and thats why i mentioned the stocks and grips.

the fact that the slide would break means nothing, i'd imaging the mounts included with most airsoft lasers would stand up to a real pistol going off either.

ambro25

You will shortly get a reasoned interpretation of this paticular portion of legislation, insofar as lasers are concerned, from the Committee - under which I establish that yes, lasers could very well fit the bill if the matter was ever litigated (you want to volunteer to be first, Spitfire666? ) and should therefore be avoided.

Spitfire666

ambro25 wrote: »

You will shortly get a reasoned interpretation of this paticular portion of legislation, insofar as lasers are concerned, from the Committee - under which I establish that yes, lasers could very well fit the bill if the matter was ever litigated (you want to volunteer to be first, Spitfire666? ) and should therefore be avoided.

Gladly, if you wanna provide the laser I'll use it everytime I can if you want.
I understand the need of the Iaa to protect the sport but this is protecting the sport from something that isn't an issue. The only reasoning that I can see in that legal section is that a laser doesn't come into it and if lasers ARE to be included, I'd like to hear the explanation as to why a torch mounted to a rail is okay?

ambro25

Spitfire666 wrote: »

Gladly, if you wanna provide the laser I'll use it everytime I can if you want.

I meant: do you want to be the first airsoft player in the dock, arguing the issue against the Prosecutor in front of a Justice?

That's the situation we're trying to prevent in the first place (i.e. the issue never going to Court, to be decided one way or the other).

Spitfire666 wrote: »

I understand the need of the Iaa to protect the sport but this is protecting the sport from something that isn't an issue. The only reasoning that I can see in that legal section is that a laser doesn't come into it and if lasers ARE to be included, I'd like to hear the explanation as to why a torch mounted to a rail is okay?

Well, you have decided it's not an issue. We (the IAA Committee) haven't got the luxury of deciding for ourselves: we have to try to factor everything in when we adopt a position.

Of course, the Statutes could be interpreted 'your way' (= lasers are not illegal).

However, in my opinion (playing Devils' advocate, because I have to "try and see what's coming" to try and protect the sport from others/from itself -kinda thing), the Statutes could also be interpreted 'the other way' (= lasers are illegal) because of their phrasing, if the DoJ was batting for a conviction (that's why "interpretation" is needed).

It will in any case be up to a Judge to decide 'which way', when all submissions have been made by opposing parties (e.g. you and the Prosecutor).

As and when (if ever) a Judge renders a verdict on the issue and it then becomes clear, the IAA will either be vindicated or proven wrong (and in that case, of course, we will change our stance appropriately).

Until such time, we simply must err on the side of caution, to avoid bringing the sport into disrepute by passive/tacit approval of what could ultimately prove to be an illegal firearm component. It's the Irish DPM issue all over again, if you will, just with not so clear cut a basis (because the Statutes in this case are not so clear cut).

I hope that's not coming across too 'high and mighty', but just as an insight into how we came to our current position. We're mindful that a lot (most?) airsofters would love nothing more than to skirmish with NVGs, lasers, this-that-the-other 'Pimp-my-AEG' kit (and that includes me ), but all the same, since the issue does present a risk (moreover reinforced by the DoJ's pointed questions about this very issue when we met them) , we choose pre-emptive safety rather than after-the-fact damage control.

As matters stand (and as with the Irish DPM issue in the other thread), this is old grounds and the position of the IAA about lasers from the onset stands: no lasers. As I referred to earlier in the thread, I have written a full article on the issue (my 'Devils' Advocate interpretation' if you will), which will be published shortly.

Spitfire666

having read over this thread again I would like to point out that I had no intention of it being an argument as much as it looks like one so I won't go on about it any further here. I would however like to discuss the issue further, not nessissarily in private but in a more realtime manner be it over MSN or face to face so as not to come accross as arguing but rather discussing the issue.
and yes, I probably would be willing to face the music so to speak in relation to it.
I've done it twice already in relation to airsoft matters and come out on top so why not.

ambro25

Don't sweat it, Spitfire666, it wasn't taken in as an argument (at least by me - and if I made it appear so, then truly I am sorry!), just an opportunity to go over this issue once more, in a little more detail

If you make HRTA this Sunday, we can have a small natter about it

gonesharp

Motosam wrote: »

gotactical.ie

Just found this, is it new?

It looks as if its just a list of products from the asg catalogue.

I havn't heard of this website before.
Edit: Its still under construction, they claim to have a 2000 square foot showroom, or at least will.
Isn't the market saturated yet by now? And the prices dont seem anything special.

On a side note they stock, or at least have available to them, lasers and mounts, which I understand are component parts of a firearm.

anybody that knows the bray area,egan's complex,lower dargle road,passed here yesterday,seen a lot aeg posters in a shop front ,all high end brands,so guess there opening soon by the looks of it.

Witcher

gonesharp wrote: »

anybody that knows the bray area,egan's complex,lower dargle road,passed here yesterday,seen a lot aeg posters in a shop front ,all high end brands,so guess there opening soon by the looks of it.

yeah i do, they wont get a living there with the caliber of people that live in

the estate beside it!





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Stercus Accidit

So...

This lad has been selling these for a while aparently, and gives the impression he is an iaa member.

Despite the fact his website isnt even complete, and well, hes as much a member as I, a bog standard member, not a representative.

B0ll0cks is all I can say, more hassle for our IAA lads.

Bloody polititions, citing law, ugh it uses air it r teh death.

Rant over.

Hivemind187

I have just spoken to Mr. Sharpe and he is indeed and individual (bog standard ) member of the IAA. I am expecting his affiliate application presently. Mr Sharpe has acknowledged that he is not a representative of the committee and it appears to be crossed wires with the journalist in question.

The issue is being handled by the IAA and responses and statements are being drafted.

Please do not let your passions and ire, however justified they may be, cause you to say anything defamatory or offensive to the TD or the newspapers involved. We, as a community need to rise above such things and show that we are not just mature and responsible, but are ahead of the game in those terms.

Remember: They can only keep shooting as long as they have ammunition.

GoTac

in relation to all the coments being posted on boards,

1. The gotactical web site is still under construction and as was correctly stated by someone, the prices are a mass calculation and are in no way accurate.

2. I have never clamed to be a rep or spoksman for the IAA, that is the press getting it wrong.

3. My company is now an affiliate member of the IAA, and I contact the commity on a regular basis to discuss matters regarding the sport that i am unsure of ie. Lazers. and issues relating to all the press coverage i am reciving.

4. the website has not been updated in some time, as im sure you will understand there is a lot of work involved in opening up a shop when doing so on your own.

5. I heard that someone posted a comment in another retailers thread, I can assure you that this was not me and not an employee as i dont have any employees. just the odd friend doing an hour here and there.

6. in relation to the prices listed on the site and in store, ignore them I offer discounts to all members of the IAA and known Teams.

7. I am dissapointed that no one contacted me directly regarding these issues before slating me on boards. a phone call or email would have gone a long way

please excuse the spellings ect...

i welcome and comments you guys have. belive it or not I am here for the sport and not just the money, although the overheads are quite high.

Peter Sharpe
Managing Director
Go Tactical Ltd

kinkstr

Good luck with the shop, glad to hear the prices arent accurate:)

CrazyRabbit

GoTac wrote: »

in relation to all the coments being posted on boards,

1. The gotactical web site is still under construction and as was correctly stated by someone, the prices are a mass calculation and are in no way accurate.

2. I have never clamed to be a rep or spoksman for the IAA, that is the press getting it wrong.

3. My company is now an affiliate member of the IAA, and I contact the commity on a regular basis to discuss matters regarding the sport that i am unsure of ie. Lazers. and issues relating to all the press coverage i am reciving.

4. the website has not been updated in some time, as im sure you will understand there is a lot of work involved in opening up a shop when doing so on your own.

5. I heard that someone posted a comment in another retailers thread, I can assure you that this was not me and not an employee as i dont have any employees. just the odd friend doing an hour here and there.

6. in relation to the prices listed on the site and in store, ignore them I offer discounts to all members of the IAA and known Teams.

7. I am dissapointed that no one contacted me directly regarding these issues before slating me on boards. a phone call or email would have gone a long way

please excuse the spellings ect...

i welcome and comments you guys have. belive it or not I am here for the sport and not just the money, although the overheads are quite high.

Peter Sharpe
Managing Director
Go Tactical Ltd

Don't worry. There are some paranoid and grumpy members here. However, most reserve judgement until they have facts. I would advise you to create a thread (with mods permission) for GoTactical. It would help cleare up any issues quickly.