Irish Army chest rig

Keggers

Hey guys just wondering if any1 knew where I could get an Irish Army lookin chest rig

Hivemind187

Irish military uniforms are illegal to possess by civilians. I'm not entirely sure if this applies to belt kit but it may very well do.

Your best bet is to buy some British DPM PLCE stuff or check out on the vests that web-tex or viper are offering.

DTC

I'm sellin a set of plce if you wana take a look over in the for sale section

c-90

im 90% sure irish army chest rigs arnt illegal because i seen them in the surplus store in the curragh camp for €80 they used to have a website but i cant find anymore

padmundo

Protac in the curragh or army bargains off capel st in Dublin have the irish army stuff. I think army bargains is expensive though.

Wearing the irish uniform is illegal but the load bearing equipment is fine to wear.

bullets

I was gonna say the chest rig is not part of the uniform and more
equipment. So was too guessing the rig would be ok to use.

Older style OD Irish Combats etc is OK to use. As far as I know
this whole illegal to wear rule only applys to Current Issue unforms.
Stuff thats no longer in service is fine to wear.

Amazing the Law isnt it.

In terms of airsoft if anything I would love to kit myself out in
Irish load out and play as an Irish team. I think it would a nice
thing to do if going abroad or if playing any form of international
games.

But due to the law you cant wear your own countries kit.
YET...you can walk into army surplus stores and buy other
countries uniforms and wear them all hunky dory.

We can buy originals and copys of other armies BDU's but
wearing our own can land us in the sh*t.

It would make far more sense to be illegal to wear the Irish Uniform
WITH insignia and rank markings etc. Or to impersonate a Soldier etc.

For the likes of airsoft or re-enactment there should be clauses or
exceptions made where people can wear the kit minus insignia's
while at a skirmish site.

only my tu-pence

~B

Stercus Accidit

bullets wrote: »

I was gonna say the chest rig is not part of the uniform and more
equipment. So was too guessing the rig would be ok to use.

Older style OD Irish Combats etc is OK to use. As far as I know
this whole illegal to wear rule only applys to Current Issue unforms.
Stuff thats no longer in service is fine to wear.

Amazing the Law isnt it.

In terms of airsoft if anything I would love to kit myself out in
Irish load out and play as an Irish team. I think it would a nice
thing to do if going abroad or if playing any form of international
games.

But due to the law you cant wear your own countries kit.
YET...you can walk into army surplus stores and buy other
countries uniforms and wear them all hunky dory.

We can buy originals and copys of other armies BDU's but
wearing our own can land us in the sh*t.

It would make far more sense to be illegal to wear the Irish Uniform
WITH insignia and rank markings etc. Or to impersonate a Soldier etc.

For the likes of airsoft or re-enactment there should be clauses or
exceptions made where people can wear the kit minus insignia's
while at a skirmish site.

only my tu-pence

~B

The army may eventually use airsoft for training or light hearted days justified by training, now that would be cool.

bullets

Motosam wrote: »

The army may eventually use airsoft for training or light hearted days justified by training, now that would be cool.

I was only thinking that the other night. On Tactics a squad with CA AUG's
sound like (well maybe not sounds!) they would be better to use than
the real thing fireing blanks. At least then when it came to up close or forrest
like training or Urban it would be easier to register hits.
(And cheaper than blanks and laser rigouts)

~B

c-90

the sound of a gpmg shotting in your direction is gonna make you hit the ground quiker than a measly aeg:p but they would be good for fibua or sumting up real close

JonAnderton

Do they not use simunition?

iceage

http://store.irishmilitaryonline.com/ there ya go guys, link to the Curragh store!! Although I find that www.icoa.ie can be cheaper and has a larger selection of gear..

c-90

JonAnderton wrote: »

Do they not use simunition?

not even the ba or the us army use simunition to my knoladge. only very rich swat teams and special forces can afford that stuff:D, unless you mean blanks

Gizmodeon

The shop on the curragh is called Protac
and the website has been down for about a year
it used to be here
www.protacpx.com/
But here's a link to the forum
http://www.protacpx.proboards36.com/

And I heard something the other day about the wearing of Irish DPM
(correct me if I'm wrong)
that the law about not wearing Irish DPM is a military law, and that it does not apply to civilians

Boston

Gizmodeon wrote: »

The shop on the curragh is called Protac
and the website has been down for about a year
it used to be here
www.protacpx.com/
But here's a link to the forum
http://www.protacpx.proboards36.com/

And I heard something the other day about the wearing of Irish DPM
(correct me if I'm wrong)
that the law about not wearing Irish DPM is a military law, and that it does not apply to civilians

The pattern is copyrighted. If you're not in the Irish military and you're wearing irish camo, you're wearing stolen property since the only source is the Irish military, who retain ownership of all issued gear. So basically who ever told you it was ok was 100% wrong.

Rew

Gizmodeon wrote: »

The shop on the curragh is called Protac
and the website has been down for about a year
it used to be here
www.protacpx.com/
But here's a link to the forum
http://www.protacpx.proboards36.com/

And I heard something the other day about the wearing of Irish DPM
(correct me if I'm wrong)
that the law about not wearing Irish DPM is a military law, and that it does not apply to civilians

There is a section in Civvie law as well, 30 odd years of terrorism means laws relatiing to the wearing ov military (and Garda) uniforms were always going to be put in place.

Protac produce the pattern under licence or something like that. Your friend Sean Curtis could tell you more. So what he sell's is 100% above board. The only legal issues surround items issued by the army to soldiers.

No one produces and sells the combats, shirt, smock and rain gear so their the main items that are a no no. Webbing etc issued by the army has a serial number and property of the DF generally marked on it. I know one guy who sells surpuls gear who had military police turn up and inspect his stock for Irish serial numbers.

Rew

JonAnderton wrote: »

Do they not use simunition?

They use blanks combined with a laser system. Its very effective, you can simulate hits at 300+ meters and you can get the equipment to fit to any weapon or vechile.

trellheim

And I heard something the other day about the wearing of Irish DPM
(correct me if I'm wrong)
that the law about not wearing Irish DPM is a military law, and that it does not apply to civilians

The relevant law is the Defence Act 1954 as amended

[ the restatement can be found at the Attorney General's website , since the updated fines etc are in there ]
it is applicable to both Civilian and Military.

Section 264 is relevant.

(1) If any person (not being a member of the Defence Forces) wears, without permission
granted by or on behalf of the Minister, any uniform of the Defence Forces, or any
colourable imitation thereof, such person shall be guilty of an offence under this section and
shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,000 or, at the discretion of
the court, to imprisonment for any term not exceeding six months or to both such fine and
such imprisonment.
(2) Subsection (1) of this section shall not apply in respect of the wearing of any
uniform of the Defence Forces or any colourable imitation thereof in the course of a stage
play or other dramatic representation or performance.
(3) In this section the word ‘‘uniform’’ includes any distinctive part of a uniform.
(4) In any proceedings for an offence under this section it shall be presumed, until the
contrary is proved, that permission to wear a uniform of the Defence Forces, or any
colourable imitation thereof, had not been granted by or on behalf of the Minister.

Rew

Thats worth a sticky or mention in one of the existing ones to put an end to these discussions on Army uniform.

Gizmodeon

I stand corrected
thanks for the info guys

Manic Moran

c-90 wrote: »

not even the ba or the us army use simunition to my knoladge. only very rich swat teams and special forces can afford that stuff:D, unless you mean blanks

Hell, I'm a Guardsman and we've used Simunition. We also have the MILES (Laser tag) systems used with blanks.

Horses for courses. MILES is used for conventional fighting, using anything from tanks and F-16s (Seriously, they're fitted with sensors) through to rifles. It is not affected by range, but 'cheating' is a lot easier. "I'm protected from the tank round by this bush..." (Well, the laser won't penetrate!).

Simunitions are used for purely infantry-based training, particularly in the urban area where you're not shooting much over 50 yards, and you don't have to worry about 120mm paintballs fired from a tank. (That's gotta hurt!)

NTM

c-90

Manic Moran wrote: »

Hell, I'm a Guardsman and we've used Simunition. We also have the MILES (Laser tag) systems used with blanks.

Horses for courses. MILES is used for conventional fighting, using anything from tanks and F-16s (Seriously, they're fitted with sensors) through to rifles. It is not affected by range, but 'cheating' is a lot easier. "I'm protected from the tank round by this bush..." (Well, the laser won't penetrate!).

Simunitions are used for purely infantry-based training, particularly in the urban area where you're not shooting much over 50 yards, and you don't have to worry about 120mm paintballs fired from a tank. (That's gotta hurt!)

NTM

do the wepons need a conversion to fire simuntition?

Masada

I think someone mentioned older irish DPM not being illegal anymore, does anyone know if this is true? and if so when was the switch over to the modern stuff we see nowadays?, i can get some stuff from a good few years ago, would be deadly if i could use it legally.,

c-90

as long as its not current issue its okay. they made the change in 1999 and the rdf in 2002

Masada

kewl, nice one., the stuff i'll be getting is 80s-90s stuff.,

bunny shooter

Extracts from The Defence Act 1954

SECTION 260

(1) In this section, the expression “military property” means any property being –

(a) any arms, ammunition (including bombs, grenades or similar missiles), equipment, instruments or clothing issued for the use of members of the DF, or

(2)

(a) If any person –

(i) buys, exchanges, takes in pawn, obtains or receives from any person, on any pretence whatsoever, any military property, or
(ii) solicits or entices any person to sell, exchange, pawn or give away any military property, or
(iii) assists or acts for any person in selling, exchanging, pawning or making away with any military property,

such person shall be guilty of an offence under this section and shall be liable on summary conviction thereof to a fine not exceeding twenty pounds together with treble the value of any military property of which he has become possessed by means of the offence or, at the discretion, of the court, to imprisonment for any term not exceeding six months or to both such fine and imprisonment.

SECTION 264

(1) If any person (not being a member of the DF) wears without permission granted by or on behalf of the Minister, any uniform of the DF or any colorable imitation thereof, such person shall be guilty of an offence under this section and shall be liable on summary conviction thereof to a fine not exceeding ten pounds or, at the discretion of the court, to imprisonment for any term not exceeding three months.

(3) In this section the word “uniform” includes any distinctive part of a uniform.

SECTION 265

(1) If any person wears any uniform of the DF or any dress, having the appearance of, or bearing any of the regimental or other distinctive marks of, any such uniform, in such a manner or in such circumstances as to be likely to bring contempt upon that uniform, such person shall be guilty of an offence under this subsection.

(3) Any person who is guilty of an offence under subsection (1) or (2) of this section shall be liable on summary conviction thereof to a fine not exceeding twenty pounds or, at the discretion of the court, to imprisonment for any term not exceeding six months.

Rew

vtec wrote: »

I think someone mentioned older irish DPM not being illegal anymore, does anyone know if this is true? and if so when was the switch over to the modern stuff we see nowadays?, i can get some stuff from a good few years ago, would be deadly if i could use it legally.,

The old stuff was just OD not DPM. Before the advent of Irish DPM only the ARW and Snipers wore any DPM and that was Brit stuff.

Rew

c-90 wrote: »

do the wepons need a conversion to fire simuntition?

Starying a bit far from the topic really...?

trellheim

Bunnyshooter's links to the Defence Act are the originals from 1954.

The most recent editions of those laws can be found in

http://www.attorneygeneral.ie/slru/Restatement_Defence_Acts_1954_to_1998_and_Courts-Martial_Appeals_Act_1983.pdf

and it was from this that I posted the extracts above.

The fines have been increased to keep the punishments in line with inflation.

bunny shooter

trellheim wrote: »

Bunnyshooter's links to the Defence Act are the originals from 1954.

The most recent editions of those laws can be found in

http://www.attorneygeneral.ie/slru/Restatement_Defence_Acts_1954_to_1998_and_Courts-Martial_Appeals_Act_1983.pdf

and it was from this that I posted the extracts above.

The fines have been increased to keep the punishments in line with inflation.

Thanks for that, I was looking for the updated version

Manic Moran

c-90 wrote: »

do the wepons need a conversion to fire simuntition?

Yes, but it's the sort of thing which is done in under 2 minutes with no special tools.

NTM

doubletap

Rew wrote: »

They use blanks combined with a laser system. Its very effective, you can simulate hits at 300+ meters and you can get the equipment to fit to any weapon or vechile.

the laser system dosn't work 90% of the time

Rew

doubletap wrote: »

the laser system dosn't work 90% of the time

Then your not using it right. Take it over to the military forum its off topic for here.