Who sang YNWA first?

hanton12 · 31-01-2008 01:29PM

yeah, the club song of Pompey is 'Who are ya' alright. Not 'Play up Pompey' or the other hordes of songs that the supporters are known for their enthusiastic singing. Remember the cup game at home to Arsenal a few years back and they were getting hammered, and they didnt stop singing, even when Arsenal scored, there was a little lull and the singing was as noisy as ever. Even the likes of Henry said he never played in an atmosphere like it.

31-01-2008 01:44PM

hanton12 wrote: »

yeah, the club song of Pompey is 'Who are ya' alright. Not 'Play up Pompey' or the other hordes of songs that the supporters are known for their enthusiastic singing.Remember the cup game at home to Arsenal a few years back and they were getting hammered, and they didnt stop singing, even when Arsenal scored, there was a little lull and the singing was as noisy as ever. Even the likes of Henry said he never played in an atmosphere like it.

They sang "Who are ya" for 90 minutes straight last season when we played them. It was a 5.15 kick off and I think the pubs had done great business that day.

event · 31-01-2008 02:20PM

it cant really be proven who sang it first, but its a pool song now, thats all that matters

x in the city · 31-01-2008 02:47PM

shouldnt Liverpool fans be more morried about things like who will actually own the club in a years time and european football than this song???:)

jameshayes · 31-01-2008 02:52PM

x in the city wrote: »

shouldnt Liverpool fans be more morried about things like who will actually own the club in a years time and european football than this song???:)

rofl

purple'n'gold · 31-01-2008 02:58PM

Who sang YNWA first? Probably this fellow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Raitt

shane86 · 31-01-2008 03:00PM

Ruskie4Rent wrote: »

Its a crap song anyway. Does it matter who sang it first?

LOL

Most Man U chants could be sang for the Ingerland squad tbh. IIRC Wikipedia lists the clubs who reg sing YNWA.

I cant be arsed looking for it.

Mr. Presentable · 31-01-2008 03:06PM

Tauren wrote: »

As I have said, I have been told this by well respected Unted fans who went to United games and grew up with United at the time of the MUnich disaster.

Are these the same mates that go out drinking in Manchester with Cristiano?

I'd say you're better connected than Sir Bobby!

Mitch Connor · 31-01-2008 03:08PM

nipplenuts wrote: »

Are these the same mates that go out drinking in Manchester with Cristiano?

I'd say you're better connected than Sir Bobby!

No, different group. Hell, one of them lives in Texas now so he doesn't get out in manchester for drinks that often! And neither would be firends of Ronaldo's, just met him in clubs a few times and shared some drinks. No pictures though, cause Ronaldo is not allowed have his picture taken in clubs (well, he is not allowed to agree to it)

stooge · 31-01-2008 03:21PM

Q. Who sang YNWA first?
Ans - United fans sang it on the terraces before liverpool fans did (following the munich tragedy).

Q. Who sings YNWA nowadays with most passion?.
Ans - Celtic fan's sing it better and more passionately than anyone else.

Q. Are Celtic and Liverpool the only c;lubs that sing YNWA?
Ans - Lots of club's fans sing it all over the world.

Q. Which club does YNWA mean most to?
4. Liverpool fans sing it regularly and have it on the club badge.

Mr Alan wrote: »

Look i'm not doubting that you were told it by some Utd fans, but it simply isnt true, just another way in which for them to try and get one over on their biggest rivals.

I have a feeling that Utd fans wouldnt bother with something so trivial to 'get one over' on their rivals given the current league table/recent results between the 2 etc

OhNoYouDidn't · 31-01-2008 03:34PM

event wrote: »

it cant really be proven who sang it first, but its a pool song now, thats all that matters

As a Celtic fan I would strongly disagree.

Mr Alan · 31-01-2008 03:46PM

OhNoYouDidnt, disagree all ya want, but its our tune

Utd fans: so wat ye are saying is that, in 1958, 5 years before it was a popular song in England, one day the terraces at OT randomly broke out into a little known tune from a musical that was around in 1945? and everyone knew the words? hilarious.

Mitch Connor · 31-01-2008 03:49PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

OhNoYouDidnt, disagree all ya want, but its our tune

Utd fans: so wat ye are saying is that, in 1958, 5 years before it was a popular song in England, one day the terraces at OT randomly broke out into a little known tune from a musical that was around in 1945? and everyone knew the words? hilarious.

Maybe they liked the Sinatra version.

Peyton Manning · 31-01-2008 03:49PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

OhNoYouDidnt, disagree all ya want, but its our tune

Utd fans: so wat ye are saying is that, in 1958, 5 years before it was a popular song in England, one day the terraces at OT randomly broke out into a little known tune from a musical that was around in 1945? and everyone knew the words? hilarious.

Why does it bother you so much?

OhNoYouDidn't · 31-01-2008 03:53PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

OhNoYouDidnt, disagree all ya want, but its our tune

Our? Are you from Wirral?

Celtic sang it first. Celtic sing it at every game. But it really belongs to Liverpool.

Glad you cleared that up.

Mr Alan · 31-01-2008 03:56PM

Tauren, you are making me laugh out loud literally. sorry mate but you're clutching at straws.

Archimedes-i care because YNWA is part of Liverpool history and is one of the things that makes our club special imo, Utd fans trying to rape that heritage claiming they sang it first pisses me off. sad but true.

OhNoYouDidnt: Celtic sang it first? really? anything to back that up? or was the love for musicals in Glasgow just so unbelievable in the 50's that they often belted out the classics and little known dittys?

And Liverpool dont sing it at every game?

Peyton Manning · 31-01-2008 03:59PM

Fair enough, but its nothing got to do with getting one over on Liverpool. Does it not make you prouder that even though United may have sang it first, or any other team for that matter, that you are the only team (in England) to carry that tradition through so popularly today?

Mr Alan · 31-01-2008 04:04PM

I cant deal in hypothetical situations that are that out there. There is no way that Utd sang it first. Despite wat Tauren might want say.

citytillidie · 31-01-2008 04:05PM

It was played 1st by Man Utd after Munich happened they then forgot about it.

Gerry and the Pacemakers then released the song in the charts and from there it was picked up by Liverpool fans. Celtic did sing it after Liverpool but it was not sung often in the stands until after Hillsbrough when Celtic were the first team to play Liverpool

RE*AC*TOR · 31-01-2008 04:07PM

deary me. Some evidence to back up these claims would be great.

Here's a video from 1965 (two years after the Pacemakers hit). The commentator refers to the song as Liverpool's signature tune - suggesting it hadn't merely begun that year. If there is any evidence to show prior singing of the song anywhere else then horse it up or quieten down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AXxf52k0cE

Mitch Connor · 31-01-2008 04:15PM

Maybe that Celtic United book has something backing my claims up. I'll have to buy it if i see it at the weekend!

Mad_Max · 31-01-2008 04:16PM

Mr Alan, you keep asking did the fans love musicals blah blah. But Frank Sinatra covered it. He was farely popular in his day

Im sure if they caught it off anyone then that MAY have been the source.

but anyway who care's. Its a couple of man yoo fans on boards claiming it was sung at O.T first. Hardly "raping" your club's heritage. Sure rafa's doing a good enough job at that anyway:D

Dave! · 31-01-2008 04:35PM

Sinatra recorded it in 1945
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27ll_Never_Walk_Alone_%28song%29#Recorded_versions

It reached no.9 in the charts in the US.

Hardly a "little known tune from a musical".

hanton12 · 31-01-2008 04:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They sang "Who are ya" for 90 minutes straight last season when we played them. It was a 5.15 kick off and I think the pubs had done great business that day.

ah right. I didnt realise it was their club song. My mistake so:rolleyes:

super_furry · 31-01-2008 04:43PM

http://football.guardian.co.uk/news/theknowledge/0,9204,912750,00.html

While many Celtic fan-based websites provide the words to You'll Never Walk Alone, and it features on the CD Green & White Anthems, there is no historical evidence that Celtic fans sang it on their terraces first. Instead, a cursory glance back in time shows that Liverpool have the much stronger claims.

After all, the song, originally written by Rodgers and Hammerstein in 1945 for the Broadway musical Carousel, only became a terrace favourite after it was covered by Gerry and the Pacemakers in November 1963. Almost immediately - as footage from Panorama in 1964 shows - Liverpool supporters adopted it.

As Paul Fields points out: "Before the early 60s football fans made noise and occasionally chanted something brief (like Play Up Pompey!) but it was the Kop that started singing popular songs of the day (mainly Merseybeat songs such as Gerry and the Pacemakers' You'll Never Walk Alone) and later started to adapt the lyrics of songs to celebrate the team and its players.

"If any Celtic fans still claim that they sang it first, it would have to predate Gerry's version. Now can you really see thousands of working class Glaswegians in the 50s/early 60s spontaneously joining in a sing-along from a Rodgers and Hammerstein musical?" No, us neither.

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There's not a shred of real evidence to suggest any team sang it before Liverpool in 1964.

~Rebel~ · 31-01-2008 04:44PM

Not getting involved, but The Knowledge pretty much covered this.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/news/theknowledge/0,9204,912750,00.html

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heh, thats some crazy timing Super_Furry!

RE*AC*TOR · 31-01-2008 04:45PM

DaveMcG wrote: »

Sinatra recorded it in 1945
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27ll_Never_Walk_Alone_%28song%29#Recorded_versions

It reached no.9 in the charts in the US.

Hardly a "little known tune from a musical".

and what access did the British public have to the US charts in 1945?

No itunes back then.

Whatever about a number 1 hit - but number 9?

Mr Alan · 31-01-2008 04:49PM

Actually i was the first person to point out that Sinatra was one of the first people to record it, but as far as i'm aware though, it was never released in the UK, anyone able to provide me with a UK chart position for it? Maybe between all the musicals they attended-the Utd were jetting over to Vegas to check out singers week in week out?!

even if it was released in the UK, does that still explain how Old trafford terraces all knew the lyrics to it? Seriously, try and start to sing the number 9 song in the US chart next game you're at.

the claim is laughable.

Mad_Max · 31-01-2008 05:06PM

I didnt in any way claim to know what the people of the day listened to i said it MAY be how they heard it.

I just don't understand why your so worked up over it. It is excepted as your song now and no-one ever asks who sang it first (normally). Celtic fans dont seem to be getting as bothered.

Jazzy · 31-01-2008 05:31PM

stooge wrote: »

I have a feeling that Utd fans wouldnt bother with something so trivial to 'get one over' on their rivals given the current league table/recent results between the 2 etc

you'd be amazed.
for example there are a group of Utd fans on here who I firmly believe hate liverpool more then they like Utd.

Who sang YNWA first?

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