Foul play during skirmishes

Stercus Accidit

Hows it goin?

Was just reading on arnies, and they have a thread about any bad experiences people have had at skirmishes with cheaters, not taking hits, spraying people, breaking teeth by shooting the face after getting a bang kill, and I was wondering, has anyone here in Eire had any of this sh1te at one of our own places?

I've only skirmished once, so was new to the hits etc. so erred on the side of caution and would take them if I wasnt sure, I may have missed some while I was pelting around but tried to keep it fair, after all it was a 10 second wait and a 30 second walk to the safe zone, so no biggy, but some of the stuff I read about f*ckers with american levels of aeg power in the states spraying at point blank worried me, though we have 1 joule here thats not relevant really but is an example of the attitude some people have,
and lads in the uk turning up and just spraying people like it was a computer game and ignoring hits altogether.

So, those that have more experience than I do, is there any particularly nasty instances you've seen here? Frustration and how you dealt with it, and any people getting agro? Read some instances of this happening elsewhere with very little provocation.
And how the marshals deal with and have dealth with stuff like this in the past.

Just for everyones benefit too I suppose, advice and experiences, I'd love to hear about what goes on here, any stories/rants welcome, thanks.

Masada

I had one last sat where i was lying down to cover and trying to get someone that was in cover behind the contractors barrier, they were at say 12 and 3 o clock so was pretty difficult to defend there but i got one at the 12 and then one sneaked in on me from 3 and shot me in the cheek, i put my hand up and called it and he shot me another few times in the side and leg., i wasnt too happy about it.,lol, he was not only within 10-15 feet but was also kinda behind me so would have had an easy bang kill but in fairness it was his first time and he hadnt read the rules so just sprayed., its easy to get pissed off when there hailing down on ya but i could have made the same mistake myself i suppose.,

golden rule, read the rules before ya start.,

Shiva

For the most part, the players I've seen in HRTA are pretty decent....sticking to the rules, taking their hits etc.

The few incidents I've seen where people fire point blank are newbies who haven't read the rules / listened to the briefing, or just plain got too excited.

Just last Saturday I was observing a game, and a guy sneaked around a container, saw someone facing the other direction and opened up into his back on full auto from about 3 feet away. Both newbies, from what I could see.

The guy on the receiving end was most unimpressed

Compton

Shiva wrote: »

Just last Saturday I was observing a game, and a guy sneaked around a container, saw someone facing the other direction and opened up into his back on full auto from about 3 feet away. Both newbies, from what I could see.

The guy on the receiving end was most unimpressed

lol

Tomazas

Well I have been playing in Drogheda since it was open, and can say it is a minor issue. The noobs would do but would be asked to take their hits or go somethere else. Bang kills in Drogheda we do only if you are realy close , other wise you can shoot a single shot. Head shots are allowed but if it is the only part exposed. Also you got to remeber this is a not a walk in a park and you will be shot, so if you dont like it better stay at home.

Masada

yeah i agree, it is only a once every now and then kinda thing. you dont hear about all the times that everything goes perfectly well because theres nothing to gossip about.,

CrazyRabbit

It's rare for their to be any serious issues. Sure there is the odd dissagreement but they are normally resolved/forgotten quickly.

The only major issue I've had was when playing at a site in the north where I was made to feel rather unwelcome by one player, and I got the impression it was due to me being from the wrong side of the border. The rest of the games up north were fantastic though, so it was just a very rare bad apple.

listermint

Theres a border?:D

Masada

theres always a pr*ck in every sport isnt there huh.,

gandalf

I think the worst thing I have seen are people not taking hits and tbh they get outed quite quickly. The whole spirit around any skirmishes I have taken part in is such that if anyone did anything like shoot someone after bang killing them etc they would be ejected from the game. I also think that Paul in HRTA keeps a firm but fair grip on things and the lads who do marshalling there are excellent.

o1s1n

I'm going to change the title as it sounds a bit unfair at the moment toward site owners. It's not like foul play is their fault.

Keep it civil too please. I'd rather if people refrained from saying things like
'someone shoved a rifle down my throat and fired 300 rounds, destroying all my internal organs' if you know what I mean.

As for my own experiences... there was one incident at a site where after shouting 'hit' about 4 times, a guy proceeded to ignore it and continue ridding me with shots until a martial intervened. He also at a later point jammed a rifle through a gap in the wood paneling and riddled me again.

Was a case of someone being there not to play, but to do people harm cos doing so would be 'a deadly buzz'

NakedDex

I've refused to bring people who claimed to be interested in airsoft to sites because I know that is the kind of thing they'd do. One of them openly admitted that he wouldn't take hits. Claiming that "if you keep running, what can they do to stop you".

People like that ruin games

kdouglas

vtec wrote: »

I had one last sat where i was lying down to cover and trying to get someone that was in cover behind the contractors barrier, they were at say 12 and 3 o clock so was pretty difficult to defend there but i got one at the 12 and then one sneaked in on me from 3 and shot me in the cheek, i put my hand up and called it and he shot me another few times in the side and leg., i wasnt too happy about it.,lol, he was not only within 10-15 feet but was also kinda behind me so would have had an easy bang kill but in fairness it was his first time and he hadnt read the rules so just sprayed., its easy to get pissed off when there hailing down on ya but i could have made the same mistake myself i suppose.,

golden rule, read the rules before ya start.,

i had been taken out just before that and witnessed that incident, there were two guys shooting at you (both from less than 30ft), one hit you and saw that you had put your hand up, the other just kept taking shots at you while you had your hand up, he was told off by myself and boston who was standing beside me, and then turned around and lifted his goggles off, he was swiftly told to go read the bloody rules by myself

ive had issues with people not taking bang kills before, or myself and the person im bang killing will both say bang at the same time and they wont accept it because they think they said it first, however most of the time such situations are a case of both players just laugh and say, yea i think we're both out.

there was another famous incident regarding myself and another player at hrta that involved bang kills and blind firing, but i wont go into it here, i forgot all about it only gatling reminded me the other day, but one thing i've tried my best to do is let things go, if you have a disagreement with someone on the field, say it to the marshalls and let them deal with it, just forget about it at that point, at the end of the day it's meant to be fun

oh, and from the other side of the story, i have been guilty of pissing someone else off once, it was at the old hrta, myself and Dar were taking some cover behind one of the tree stumps, i turned my head to say something to him (with my p90 still rested across my knee pointed in the direction i was covering) when i heard fire coming from where i was supposed to be watching and bbs hitting quite close to me, i reacted by aiming high and firing to cover myself while i ducked back into cover to figure out where the hell the person was, unfortunately i didnt realise that he was standing on elevated ground behind trees/bushes and i had aimed straight at his head, needless to say, he wasnt too pleased, of course i spoke to him after the game and apologised for it

Cheeky monkey

I had a guy last week who I shot in the back and he spun around and screamed "SNIPER!!!" and thats after I ran for like 10 minutes I hate putting in all that effort and they dont take their hits almost makes me wanna go back to an automatic.......

Masada

Cheeky monkey wrote: »

I had a guy last week who I shot in the back and he spun around and screamed "SNIPER!!!" and thats after I ran for like 10 minutes I hate putting in all that effort and they dont take their hits almost makes me wanna go back to an automatic.......

I remember ya mentioning that the other day, funny thing is, i think its the same fella that shot me in my above post.,lol

Cheeky monkey

Was he wearing blue levis?

Masada

think so., and a balaclava or face mask or something.,

Cheeky monkey

Thats the ****er :P

Masada

lol.,.

Site-Ops

Tomazas wrote: »

Well I have been playing in Drogheda since it was open, and can say it is a minor issue. The noobs would do but would be asked to take their hits or go somethere else. Bang kills in Drogheda we do only if you are realy close , other wise you can shoot a single shot. Head shots are allowed but if it is the only part exposed. Also you got to remeber this is a not a walk in a park and you will be shot, so if you dont like it better stay at home.

I was up in Drogheda last Sunday and as Tomazas said.... Bang kills are only for really close range. We were all shooting at any range close shots to the body.... Head shots at range, it makes the game more interesting. If you wear the correct head gear and armour you will be fine..... Its a hunting game, take your hits and start again. BBs only sting to remind you where you are..... If you cant take the sting of a BB then I would suggest you take up swimming instead.....

Stercus Accidit

o1s1n wrote: »

I'm going to change the title as it sounds a bit unfair at the moment toward site owners. It's not like foul play is their fault.

Fair enough, title is unimportant, getting an idea of how people deal with cheaters is.

Cheeky monkey wrote: »

Was he wearing blue levis?

When I was there a guy like that was accused of cheating quite publicly, was he a tallish sort of chubby guy, probably in his teens? I think he had brown hair, and had the jeans on, only one there.

And the suggestions of taking up swimming if you cant take a bb hit, I hope they arent aimed at me!
Never said anything that would imply that, was more interested in the attitudes of the people behind the bbs, and some of them may over react.
Only place a bb ever hurt me was the thumb, bloody hell. :eek:
Went completely numb, and I had just been hit in the face but the thumb was the killer!

Site-Ops

Motosam wrote: »

Fair enough, title is unimportant, getting an idea of how people deal with cheaters is.



When I was there a guy like that was accused of cheating quite publicly, was he a tallish sort of chubby guy, probably in his teens? I think he had brown hair, and had the jeans on, only one there.

And the suggestions of taking up swimming if you cant take a bb hit, I hope they arent aimed at me!
Never said anything that would imply that, was more interested in the attitudes of the people behind the bbs, and some of them may over react.
Only place a bb ever hurt me was the thumb, bloody hell. :eek:
Went completely numb, and I had just been hit in the face but the thumb was the killer!

Funny you shout mention the thumb hit as I got one last Sunday in Drogheda also..... Jeez they hurt alright worse plae I have ever een hit. It was funny though as the lads were in tears laughing at me screaming like a b1tch... It was priceless but hey... I didnt take up swimming yet

Spetzcong

I've never really understood people not taking hits, for the sake of a few second walk back to the dead zone or your respawn point you risk ruining your whole reputation as an airsofter. I think the main thing to do is to stay calm and bring it to the attention of a Marshal when you've got a problem with someone, the worst thing you can do is lose the head and do something that gets you kicked out. I've chosen not to respawn in a game because I was annoyed about being shot at close range by someone who had ignored their hits seconds earlier, my thinking was that I was better off giving myself a bit of extra time to cool down than to go back in looking for 'revenge'. It's a game after all, and the object is to have fun.

Sometimes a good death is just as much fun as surviving anyway, suicide pistol charge anyone?

Site-Ops

Like Spetzcong says its for Fun..... If your getting pelted with hits just put your hand up and shout hit... Thts the key to end you being a target.

Stercus Accidit

Site-Ops wrote: »

Funny you shout mention the thumb hit as I got one last Sunday in Drogheda also..... Jeez they hurt alright worse plae I have ever een hit. It was funny though as the lads were in tears laughing at me screaming like a b1tch... It was priceless but hey... I didnt take up swimming yet

Funny enough how many people scream!
I was there with a lad who took some combat footage, and the amount of screaming going on was unreal!
Felt great about myself for giving no more than a manly grunt, hoo haa :mad:

And @ spetzcong, I saw someone do that in the last game, a pistol charge, whats the point of that? I know me and one other guy just chased him down with full auto.
With all the mud in my barrel I hadnt a clue if I got a hit on him..... then I got shot 5 times in the face and the thumb! AAAH!

Is that the point of it, to distract noobs and lash them out of it! :eek:

johnboyire

kdouglas wrote: »

i had been taken out just before that and witnessed that incident, there were two guys shooting at you (both from less than 30ft), one hit you and saw that you had put your hand up, the other just kept taking shots at you while you had your hand up, he was told off by myself and boston who was standing beside me, and then turned around and lifted his goggles off, he was swiftly told to go read the bloody rules by myself

ive had issues with people not taking bang kills before, or myself and the person im bang killing will both say bang at the same time and they wont accept it because they think they said it first, however most of the time such situations are a case of both players just laugh and say, yea i think we're both out.

there was another famous incident regarding myself and another player at hrta that involved bang kills and blind firing, but i wont go into it here, i forgot all about it only gatling reminded me the other day, but one thing i've tried my best to do is let things go, if you have a disagreement with someone on the field, say it to the marshalls and let them deal with it, just forget about it at that point, at the end of the day it's meant to be fun

oh, and from the other side of the story, i have been guilty of pissing someone else off once, it was at the old hrta, myself and Dar were taking some cover behind one of the tree stumps, i turned my head to say something to him (with my p90 still rested across my knee pointed in the direction i was covering) when i heard fire coming from where i was supposed to be watching and bbs hitting quite close to me, i reacted by aiming high and firing to cover myself while i ducked back into cover to figure out where the hell the person was, unfortunately i didnt realise that he was standing on elevated ground behind trees/bushes and i had aimed straight at his head, needless to say, he wasnt too pleased, of course i spoke to him after the game and apologised for it

dont want to get tarred with the same brush here, I moved up on the right "blue jeans" on the left futher ahead of me, vtec was in excellent cover, and I was well away from him when i fired, when he took the hit I stopped firing, Blue jeans had started firing from closer range and continued to advance firing on Vtec, until several shouts later he stopped, he seemed to be guilty of quite a few things throughout the day.just on this "there were two guys shooting at you (both from less than 30ft),"I can see the need to clarify safe shooting distances especially for new/younger players, a simple way of doing this along with reading the rules would be to put down some flag makers in the ground outside the office showing the safe firing + bang kill range, the "visual aid" might help some players alot better than reading it off of a sheet. it might help in any disputes and I dont want to have to start using a loud speaker to bang kill people or revert to throwing snowballs this week-end : )seriously though i dont have any stories to tell, its a credit to all the players that go to hrta and makes the sport really enjoyable,

kdouglas

good idea with having the flag markers to show the distance, alot of people dont know how far 10ft is

as regards yourself though, from what i remember you only fired 1 or 2 shots which at that range is perfectly fine, i wasnt saying that you did anything wrong, it was the other guy that kept advancing and firing that i was mainly concerned about.

kdouglas

Site-Ops wrote: »

Like Spetzcong says its for Fun..... If your getting pelted with hits just put your hand up and shout hit... Thts the key to end you being a target.

except when people continued to fire on you while your hands up, like vtec last weekend

johnboyire

not complaining about you at all, definitley appreciate having players who are willing to keep people playing by the rules,

kevteljeur

Speaking as someone who has yet to play in a game of Airsoft (and I hope to try it for the first time on Saturday), this business of cheating or foul play was something I was concerned about. I played an afternoon of Paintball - I know, different sport, but not unrelated - just before Christmas (and apart from having only 40 minutes of play out of 3 hours spent on site and the shocking state of the kit - Grrr!) what really took the fun out of it was the brainless cheating - why play if no-one sticks to rules?

I was a bit hesitant to commit to Airsoft because it relies so much on the honour system, but I'm feeling a lot safer about getting into it now, after reading all this. And on that note, please don't assume all noobs need a harsh lesson!

Well, maybe a little one.

Site-Ops

kdouglas wrote: »

except when people continued to fire on you while your hands up, like vtec last weekend

Thats a different story alright Kdouglas..... People like that should be removed from the game immediately.

Evolute

Think about it if someone is unsure about ten feet just say go look inside one of the cabins and then think about that length from door to door I think it is over ten feet but for newbies its a good bench mark but it may make a difference the next time they are gonna take a close shot. Screw the thumb getting hit on your little finger on the nail is probably the worst shot I've ever gotten

Tigger

Spetzcong wrote: »

Sometimes a good death is just as much fun as surviving anyway, suicide pistol charge anyone?

yes please

Site-Ops

Its a little finger v thumb skirmish now I see....

So lets just take it for granted then on Saturday night that nobody has to bring a weapon.... We al just run around shouting Bang Bang cause we will be on top of each other before we can see each other.;)

Tigger

Site-Ops wrote: »

Its a little finger v thumb skirmish now I see....

So lets just take it for granted then on Saturday night that nobody has to bring a weapon.... We al just run around shouting Bang Bang cause we will be on top of each other before we can see each other.;)

hey i've been surrounded at close range on the ground and shot and i just laughed but i don't think that inflicting pain on people is the name ofthe game at 3m or ten feet going bang is enough

now on to people shutting the f$€^ up when they are "killed" instead of going "he's over there "

dead men can't tell

Gizmodeon

I really am sorry If someone ever hit me and I didn't notice, I know how frustrating it is.
But one thing that might help noobs would be to tell them about not keeping their finger on the trigger all the time?
I know that maybe they are hitting people and forgetting to take their finger off it, and continuing to fire. I completely agree with a visual aid for bang kills.

One thing I've always found useful if someone isn't taking their hits, tell everyone around you to fire at that person until they HAVE to take their hits.
The story changes all together when there is 5 people shooting at you and you know you can't not take your hits:rolleyes:
It normally happens that one person will say "that guys not taking their hits"
and then I'd fire at them and they still wouldn't take it, and it would take 2 or 3 more people firing at them before they admit a hit, so why not just have a rule of "Take your hits, or we won't stop firing":D

kdouglas

one thing always to remember is to give the person the benefit of the doubt, if the wind is against you or the person is behind a pallet, it may be possible that they just arent getting hit

dead men talking is something that really gets on my nerves, snook all the way down the lane towards the ghost base one time and took out a guy hiding behind cover in front of the base with my silenced pistol, he took the hit, but then walked straight back to the base to tell them all where the shot had come from, if someone is hit and is giving away your position, feel free to shoot them again they're obviously not dead if they can talk

Tigger

kdouglas wrote: »

one thing always to remember is to give the person the benefit of the doubt, if the wind is against you or the person is behind a pallet, it may be possible that they just arent getting hit

dead men talking is something that really gets on my nerves, snook all the way down the lane towards the ghost base one time and took out a guy hiding behind cover in front of the base with my silenced pistol, he took the hit, but then walked straight back to the base to tell them all where the shot had come from, if someone is hit and is giving away your position, feel free to shoot them again they're obviously not dead if they can talk

its the worst part for me i'm working on a silent (or at least quiet) black ops rigout and i feel that its gonna take some changes before snipers and stealth killers get some fair treatment

i'm gonna start a poll

Spetzcong

Motosam wrote: »

And @ spetzcong, I saw someone do that in the last game, a pistol charge, whats the point of that? I know me and one other guy just chased him down with full auto.
With all the mud in my barrel I hadnt a clue if I got a hit on him..... then I got shot 5 times in the face and the thumb! AAAH!

Is that the point of it, to distract noobs and lash them out of it! :eek:

I dunno that there necessarily is a point to it, sometimes I go on a pistol charge because my main is out of ammo, sometimes it's just because I'm pinned down behind cover and want to die so I can respawn and get to a better position, sometimes it's to distract people so others on my team can move up, sometimes it's just because I'm having a Die Hard moment and want to see how far I can get before I get riddled.

I like the idea of giving a visual aid to the range rules with flags and stuff, in fact I think running through the whole safety and rule briefing with everyone even the regulars might help to keep the rules fresh in peoples heads, they're not always the first thing on your mind when your in the heat of it, but they might be a bit fresher if you'd just gone through them that morning.

Alvin T. Grey

Spetzcong wrote: »

Sometimes a good death is just as much fun as surviving anyway, suicide pistol charge anyone?

They're playing my song.....

N.O.I.P.

Myself and Hivemind both opened up on a guy on our own team before. When it was just him against 2 teams he learned to take his hits damn fast

Alvin T. Grey

Motosam wrote: »

And @ spetzcong, I saw someone do that in the last game, a pistol charge, whats the point of that?

There has to be a point? Why wasn't I told? - Bastards! I'm always the last to know.....:D

Sometimes a game gets boring with more campers then a weekend in Cortown. So suck it up, draw the sidearm, scream like a banshee:

Get killed in 3 seconds flat, then off to the respawn point for a cigarette and some gratuitious lying.....;)

unit88

During my first ever game i noticed one person not taking hits and then shot me i did not mind just walked to the respawm point.

also i shot through a pallet at kdouglas not nowing it he was not wearing a full face mask because it was getting darh and burst his lip i was very soory. fo doing it but he did not mind and new it was an accident

gandalf

Nothing like a good suicide charge to make a game interesting

Masada

johnboyire wrote: »

dont want to get tarred with the same brush here, I moved up on the right "blue jeans" on the left futher ahead of me, vtec was in excellent cover, and I was well away from him when i fired, when he took the hit I stopped firing, Blue jeans had started firing from closer range and continued to advance firing on Vtec, until several shouts later he stopped, he seemed to be guilty of quite a few things throughout the day.just on this "there were two guys shooting at you (both from less than 30ft),

I wasnt bitchin about you man,;) 30ft is perfectly fine and i didnt even know you existed until KD mentioned i had 2 on me rather than just blue jeans guy.. while getting riddled i covered my face with my arm and as soon as i looked round i noticed the other fella was pretty much on top of me., I had no idea that you 2 had moved up since i was trying to watch the contractors base, neil (oposite team leader) was in there with the scar and had already got me a few times earlier with very good range so i had to be careful and didnt see anyone on my right.,
oh well, he was new anyway and he'll probably know better next time. or else piss someone off who has less patience than me.,:D

someone else mentioned shooting through the pallats and i was wondering what others thought of this,
we all know that its not allowed for obvious advantage reasons but i was thinking about it and does anyone else think that if you cant aim your gun through the pallets then you shouldnt be able to be shot "through" the pallet? i mean as in if you cant have the advantage of aiming through the pallet while remaining in cover is it fair that people can still shoot you while your behind cover concidering that you have to expose yourself in order to fire back at them?.,

I think the red rag thing should be implimented too. this would cut out arguement about weather people were killed or not and other team members would have no other excuse for asking for intel if they could clearly see the red rag dispayed,.

zero19

Yeah i think the red rag thing would work pretty well myself, or even a high vis version for those dark winter evenings

johnboyire

you had great cover Vtec, pretty much surrounded but you stayed in the game for ages well done, my m4 just didnt have the range it was firing at 285fps and was falling well short, so i had to try and move up i was expecting you to spot me at any time, i think the red rag is a good idea, a couple of times ive been reaching for the sky after being hit and have gotten riddled with bbs, i think the hits through a pallet should count, if your behind some bushes and someone hits you it will count so there shouldnt be any exceptions its only a pallet after all, i was thinking about the whole firing through pallets thing, having the no blind firing rule is a very good idea but if your firing though pallets and can see what your firing at are you really blind firing? it might be difficult to police though if people were able to do that,

Masada

johnboyire wrote: »

I was thinking about the whole firing through pallets thing, having the no blind firing rule is a very good idea but if your firing though pallets and can see what your firing at are you really blind firing? it might be difficult to police though if people were able to do that,

thats exactly what i mean though, its absolutely not allowed to fire throught the pallats even if ya can see what your shooting because its an unfair advantage aswell as possible blind firing., with a bush you can shoot back through just the same as get shot through it so is a little different to the pallats,.
im just wondering what others think if the idea, i think it would be a good rule.,:)

NakedHedgehog

Oopps!
I was in the base opposite Contractor's (is it "Hawks"?). I realize it's not a palet, but I was shooting through the barricaded window at one point. I could aim though, but not well. Didn't hit anyone, but will refrain in future

As long as I'm not allowed to be "hit" through something, I don't see any problem not shooting through them. That gets a bit complex though then if you say you can get hit through this, but not through this.

Masada

if your talking about the little window things in the contractors base with the green scafolding mesh then i think its ok to fire out of those.,

Spetzcong

nhedge wrote: »

Oopps!
I was in the base opposite Contractor's (is it "Hawks"?). I realize it's not a palet, but I was shooting through the barricaded window at one point. I could aim though, but not well. Didn't hit anyone, but will refrain in future

As long as I'm not allowed to be "hit" through something, I don't see any problem not shooting through them. That gets a bit complex though then if you say you can get hit through this, but not through this.

That's the Ghosts base, Hawks is the one on the other side of the ditch behind the Contractors base. As far as I know the rule is that you are allowed fire through pallets so long as you are using proper firing holes. I've not been in the cabin in Ghosts base since that pallet got put up, but if there's a decent firing hole in it then shooting through it is allowed. The flip side of this is that shots that hit you through the firing hole also count. I'm not sure but I think that shots that hit you through the pallets don't count because its too difficult to tell if it's a ricochet or not, shooting through pallets without proper firing holes is barred because of potential blind firing and because it encourages camping, this is just my understanding of the rules though, could be I'm wrong in the way I've taken them up.