Nissan Navara or Toyota Hilux?

commited

Hi Folks,

Basically I've been put in a position where I now have to get a 5 seater pickup/4x4 with a budget of €38k + €2k for a hard top.

Now what's coming out as the only 2 real options for me are the Toyota Hilux or Nissan Navara.

First question - is there anything else I should consider?

My main priorities are:
Performance
Comfort
Quiet crusing.

I'll be doing about 40000 miles/year, but wont be paying for fuel, so fuel economy isnt an issue (even though I have to go diesel).

I haven't driven a hilux before, but I've had Landcruisers and Pathfinders. I prefered the Landcruiser overall, but liked the spec and RWD-ness of the Pathfinder. I test drove a Navara today, and remembered how tacky the interior is and how noisy the engine is on full throttle.

I'm coming out of a 530d, so I know it's going to be a huge step back, but I want to limit the pain as much as possible!

What do people reckon to the Navara vs the Hilux?

colm_mcm

Navara unless you're using the Pickup for the intended purpouse (clue: it's not only for dodging VRT and BIK...)

the Navara is better on road and has more standard equipment and (arguably) nicer interior.
If someone else is buying, consider a specced up D-Max.


I'd go for a Santa Fe passenger for €43k as it would be more suited to your needs, however you can't claim VAT and will probably have to pay BIK if it's a company car.

GERMAN ROCKS

+1 Navara

commited

Thanks for the replies guys.

Re the BIK issue, will it be the same as my old Landcruiser commercial?

I wont be using it as a pickup. It will be used for occasional towing and for carrying stuff in the back with a canopy.

I just test drove the hilux there, and I was fairly unimpressed. Crap spec, no cruise, noisy engine and crap steering. Only thing it had over the Navara, was a slightly more classy interior!

I thought the D-max was considered fairly crap at this stage?

As far as the Santa Fe is concerned, a few friends of mine have them, they aren't too bad, but the BIK will be much higher (if the BIK on the Navara is the same as the Landcruiser Comm)

Katie_Kiss

from a girls point of view the hilux is alot prettier plus ive heard good things about the hilux and bad things about the nissan.

Slidey

Trust me you cant really go wrong with a toyota. drove a mine spec one in oz and it got unreal abuse in the bush, never nocke d a spark out of it. Not sure about the new nevara but the old one had a brutal turning circle. D4D engine is bullet proof and toyota service is excelent too.
Worked in an isuzu garage for 7 years, d max is ok, never had much probs with them and only one recall which was a change from the trooper. dont go for the 2.5 its a tractor, 3.0 only.

Silver-Tiger

Navara Le €37,800 Inc Met Paint On The Road

Good Spec, Bluetooth, 6cd, Dual Climate ,cruise, Roof Bars Etc
If You Are Buiyn Straight, Push A Dealer For Le Premium
Leather , Elec/heated Seats + Sunroof, You Should Get That For 38000 Straight, They Retail At €41k Ish

I Am Bias Towards Nissan As I Sell Them But
Toyota Have Given Us A Big Help With Shocking Delivery Times For hi-lux,
And
For Someone To Say Hilux Interior Is Better Than Navara Is A Joke Imo.

commited

Sideways - I've had 2 3.0 D4D Landcruisers and both needed lots of engine work through their life (04 and 06). Actually found the Toyota service to be fairly awful too.

Silver-Tiger - looks like it will be a Navara LE, I don't know whether we're going straight or lease deal. Will probably get a canopy top instead of the Premium pack.

Silver-Tiger

Only €50 Vrt On Navara,
You Have To Go 3.0l Hi-lux To Avail Of That

You Can Get The Pegasus Canapes( Nice Ones Fully Boxed Out)for About 2.8k Suppled And Fitted Or

About €2.3k For The Slope Back Ones, Same Price For The Flat Steel/mountain Top Ones.

colm_mcm

Silver-Tiger wrote: »

Only €50 Vrt On Navara,
You Have To Go 3.0l Hi-lux To Avail Of That

You've lost me. The €50 VRT only applies to single cab Hilux.

commited

Can anyone answer my question re: BIK?

useeme

commited wrote: »

Sideways - I've had 2 3.0 D4D Landcruisers and both needed lots of engine work through their life (04 and 06). Actually found the Toyota service to be fairly awful too. .

What engine work? If you dont mind me asking.

commited

They both needed at least 1 set of new injectors, the 06 needed 2 sets and a crank sensor (i think). Also within the fleet, we had a 05 that required a new bottom end (Jeeps are fully serviced), and a 07 that sounds like it will need a new bottom end soon enough.

I also had the 04 and 06 both go into "limp home" mode for me several times.

Apart from that, they're a great Jeep.

colm_mcm

where are you getting your fuel?

commited

Statoil and Esso - same as the whole fleet. Many diff fuel stations.

archtech

Silver-Tiger wrote: »

Toyota Have Given Us A Big Help With Shocking Delivery Times For hi-lux,

Was interested in getting a hilux, however the fact that there wasn't one for one in the showroom or available to test drive during Toyota's "Showtime" event last December didn't do them any favours. Furthermore the fact that the sales guy didn't follow up with prices/trade in etc nor a date when he would have one available for a test drive didn't help either.

So I went with a Navara LE, which I'll be picking up within the next 2 weeks.

moe_sizlak

the op mentioned that comfort was his main priority so i assume he will be doing little off roading
in that case i would go for the nissan navarra and in an automatic as i think there now the same price as the manual ( kia sorento have the same deal )

someone mentioned something about a poor turning circle , all pick up trucks have poor turning circles

personally if i was buying a 4wd now for road driving only , the jeep i would buy is a kia sorento , there lovely to drive , nice to look at and the auto is the same price as the manual and there great value at around 33k all in

p.s

i had thought all isuzu were a ball of crap in the past 7 yrs but someone told me recently that the dmax was a completly different kettle of fish than the disastrous trooper circa 1998 - present , was told the dmax retained the isuzu engine unlike the trooper , if this is the case then the dmax seems to be very good value 2nd hand judging by whats on carzone , snazzy looking too if bling is your thing

commited

Archtech, from my experience, then you picked the right vehicle.

Moe_sizlak, thanks for the reply! As I stated, I want a vehicle with 5 seats, the Sorento @ 33k doesn't really suit my needs. The Navara also is a CVT box, which I don't like and they aren't offering it for no extra. If I was to spend €41k without getting the vat back, I think I'd be getting a Mitsubishi Outlander.

I will be doing a bit of offroading, but most of my time will be spent on the motorways/national roads.

The D-max only has 130bhp, so that's it out of the equation.

The L200 is still a possibilty, but I'd have to get the one with the higher power output.

At the moment, it's looking like it will be a Navara LE.

bandit197

I have the LE Navara 06 and cant fault it. its the 174bhp 297lb/ft torque version and I find it great to drive considering its a pick-up. I drove from Mayo to Edinburgh via Belfast at christmas and used just half tank of fuel..cost 70eur to fill it. Not bad for a two tonne vehicle. Im involved in construction and use it to bring four workers and tools to sites all over the west. I also do a lot of heavy towing and off-road site work and its never let me down. I test drove both the L200 and Hilux before I bought and in my opinion there was no comparison. The driving position in the Navara will make you forget you are driving a pickup and the engine runs at just 2000rpm at 100kph due to six speed gearbox.
I use it as my workhorse during the week and run-about at the weekend and it moves seamlessly from one role to the other. Just my two cents.

Test drive both and go for the most comfortable, powerful one that you can get for your money as after all you will be doing a lot of hours in it.

colm_mcm

the D Max got uprated to 170bhp in mid 2006 AFAIK.

Seinas

the new L200 Dakar version has 167bhp....

i would well recommend it...

Whizzo

Qn here?
If I was to buy a Navarra crew cab as a private owner would I have to pay full road tax?
If I bought it for a company would the road tax change and would I have to pay BIK?

Thanks

thebizz

commited wrote: »

Hi Folks,

Basically I've been put in a position where I now have to get a 5 seater pickup/4x4 with a budget of €38k + €2k for a hard top.

Now what's coming out as the only 2 real options for me are the Toyota Hilux or Nissan Navara.

First question - is there anything else I should consider?

My main priorities are:
Performance
Comfort
Quiet crusing.

I'll be doing about 40000 miles/year, but wont be paying for fuel, so fuel economy isnt an issue (even though I have to go diesel).

I haven't driven a hilux before, but I've had Landcruisers and Pathfinders. I prefered the Landcruiser overall, but liked the spec and RWD-ness of the Pathfinder. I test drove a Navara today, and remembered how tacky the interior is and how noisy the engine is on full throttle.

I'm coming out of a 530d, so I know it's going to be a huge step back, but I want to limit the pain as much as possible!

What do people reckon to the Navara vs the Hilux?

Hi,
the Navara isn't pipe and slippers inside like the Hilux. I just bought a new Navara le I've just gotten out of a Subaru WRX STI 06... It's not a step back. It's totally different but I know what you mean... The inside of the Toyota's that I looked at all had a Rover thing going on for me (with the wooden dash and steering wheel) As an all round driving experience the Navara is "firm but fair" with a few toys thrown in as standard such as auto lights,6cd player,bluetooth and there are loads of after market bits to buy if thats your thing.

CharlieCroker

The Navara all the way. AFAIK, the Navara and the Landrover Defender 130 pick-up are the only twincabs that qualify for €50 VRT as they have a payload on 1 tonne. Thats the way it was at the start of last year when I was selling them.
I'd go for the Navara every single time. Better spec, IMO nicer interior and looks and I reckon more durable.
The Hilux is built in Thailand, not japan.

Had both a manual and auto Navara as a company car.

If you are going for the Navara, stay away from the Auto. Not a great drive compared to the manual and the fuel economy is absolutely shocking, about 550-600km MAX from a full tank.

Also, regarding the canopy, stay away from the sloped Nissan canopy. They're absolutely impossible to see out the back of and you cant fit parking sensors if the jeep has a towbar.

DanFindy

Well ive been in the plant hire game for quite a while and needed a jeep but on a budget, I currently have an 03 L200 and cant praise it enough as it has given me so little grief in the time ive had it. The company i worked for had a fleet of landcruisers hiluxs and a couple a navaras. These jeeps were all 05 to new and were serviced on the button every time. In my opinion as 'commited' has said the D4D engine is not as good as Toyotas earlier diesels, they give injector trouble regularily enough and a new bottom end is not uncommon. The Navaras gave more niggly troubles and were sometimes hard to start for reasons i cant remember. My older jeep outperformed them all any my previous employer now runs a full fleet of L200s, anyway my mate has a new L200 only saw and drove it recently in the dark but what a class jeep, great power and comfort and v well specced to, its a high spec model and i really would consider one if i like yourself is lookin into a pick up.

Anan1

thebizz wrote: »

Hi,
the Navara isn't pipe and slippers inside like the Hilux. I just bought a new Navara le I've just gotten out of a Subaru WRX STI 06... It's not a step back. It's totally different but I know what you mean... The inside of the Toyota's that I looked at all had a Rover thing going on for me (with the wooden dash and steering wheel) As an all round driving experience the Navara is "firm but fair" with a few toys thrown in as standard such as auto lights,6cd player,bluetooth and there are loads of after market bits to buy if thats your thing.

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