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Robbie keane

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭shane86


    FatherTed wrote: »
    Also Hunt did a great job getting himself sent off against the Czechs.

    Rather unfairly tbh.

    I think the ref just wanted rid of him in case Cech tried to knife him in revenge.......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭FatherTed


    Is that not what Rafa is doing now i.e. playing a team designed to beat the opposition rather that going with a continuous regular 11.

    He gets a lot of stick for doing that.

    Strange way to operate, imo of course:
    Ryan Babel wrote:
    He adopts a rotation policy, I knew that beforehand. He has his own special ideas. He announces his starting XI one hour before kick-off. He will never give a hint at training whether you start or not.

    http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_3088092,00.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    Mad_Max wrote: »
    Sorry, I disregarded all you said after Duff. Simply did not perform.
    He wasn't great against San Marino, didn't do much against Germany but played well in the other games.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    There are people however who are blowing the good form out of all proportion by labelling him as world class.

    Not one single person has labelled him 'world class' in this thread. Not one. The only times the phrase has even been mentioned are...
    prendy wrote: »
    i think he's a good striker, not world class
    DesF wrote: »
    He certainly isn't World Class
    kryogen wrote: »
    hes not world class
    a very good striker but not world class.
    I think Robbie is decent enough. Not world class but his record is very good.
    Xavi6 wrote: »
    He scores goals but his general play prevents him from falling into the 'world class' category for me.
    Xavi6 wrote: »
    He's a good striker, not a world class one.
    Xavi6 wrote: »
    he does score goals but he is not a world class striker
    Xavi6 wrote: »
    in my mind he's not world class.
    Mad_Max wrote: »
    I guess i'll have to agree with you Xavi in that I probably wouldn't rate him as world class.
    Trilla wrote: »
    Robbie Keane is not a world class striker
    Mad_Max wrote: »
    I dont think there are any true world class strikers in the premiership really.
    PHB wrote: »
    I find it funny that people say that RVN is a world class striker, but forget that he was pushed out of the team by Saha
    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    Its also hard to look at Shevchenko's career and not call him world class too.

    Nobody in this thread has claimed Robbie Keane is a world class striker, it couldn't really be further from that.

    The poll mentions the word "class", and I believe he is class. It would be hard for me to watch someone to break Irelands scoring record at such a young age, then go on to shatter it, captain your club and country, reach 100 caps (which he will) and score as many club goals as Keane has, and not be able to even describe him as 'class'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    so, we all agree that robbie is not one of the top 5 stirkers in the world today, but hes close to it.

    grand.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭estebancambias


    Probably could have been world class.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    PHB wrote: »
    I find it funny that people say that RVN is a world class striker, but forget that he was pushed out of the team by Saha. Different types of strikers work in different types of systems. For me, Drogba is probably the best in the world for the type of system he works in. RVN is probably the best finisher in the world, and works great within the current Real system, but wasn't working great within the old United system.

    There was more to it than that, and God knows what else went on behind the scenes at United regarding Sir Alex and Ruud.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,673 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    I already said he's a good goalscorer so I don't anymore facts on that thanks.

    You're right, he's not a flair player, yet he tries his utmost to be one when there's no need. That is why he is frustrating.

    So does the fact that he's frustrating to watch exclude him from being a top Striker?. Personally, I could not care less how many stepovers he might get wrong. As long as he's banging in goals, and can score as many to keep him in the top 10, that pretty much makes him one of the top stikers as far as I'm concerned.

    Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps he should be able to nail every stepover and never score a goal. That would probably make him a better striker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    I always felt Robbie Keane was an ideal fit for the old cliche - "a scorer of great goals but not a great goalscorer", although to be fair to him his scoring record has improved a lot in recent times.

    I do think he's got quite a lot of unfair stick from many Irish supporters. He tries his best and without him we'd be f*cked big time. I've a lot of respect for him.

    Incidentally don't put this question to the Evening Herald's Paul Hyland as he seems to look upon Keane as the child of Satan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,673 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    Evening Herald's Paul Hyland

    Not a great paper to be honest. Can't say I'd ever respect the opinion of anyone who's written in that rag, but that's my own personal prejudice.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Paul Hyland is an idiot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Paul Hyland is an idiot.

    Why? I personally don't mind him. He has opinions and expresses them. Calling him an idiot and not backing it up is just mindless abuse, something apparently not now tolerated in these parts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Why? I personally don't mind him. He has opinions and expresses them. Calling him an idiot and not backing it up is just mindless abuse, something apparently not now tolerated in these parts.

    Sigh. He comes across to me as ill informed and lazy - I never feel that he has any real depth of knowledge of the game. Plus, it seems that his starting point before he gets out the laptop is: "what strong opinion can I think up on the spot?". Then flesh it out for a paycheck.

    There are so, so many more capable football journalists working today than the likes of Hyland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Sigh. He comes across to me as ill informed and lazy - I never feel that he has any real depth of knowledge of the game. Plus, it seems that his starting point before he gets out the laptop is: "what strong opinion can I think up on the spot?". Then flesh it out for a paycheck.

    There are so, so many more capable football journalists working today than the likes of Hyland.

    Did you ever think that maybe his different views on the game are what make him a good journalist and keep people interested in reading what he has to say. Dunphy is another example of this and the guy is a national hero.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Did you ever think that maybe his different views on the game are what make him a good journalist and keep people interested in reading what he has to say. Dunphy is another example of this and the guy is a national hero.

    When the likes of Duggan or Humphries tackle football they bring a slightly different view to the table. But at least you can read what they say and appreciate that a well constructed argument has been put forth and that they really mean it. It always seems to me that Hyland is different purely because it's a niche he can get paid for inhabiting. Plus, he doesn't write particularly well. Which is a drawback for a journalist imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    When the likes of Duggan or Humphries tackle football they bring a slightly different view to the table. But at least you can read what they say and appreciate that a well constructed argument has been put forth and that they really mean it. It always seems to me that Hyland is different purely because it's a niche he can get paid for inhabiting. Plus, he doesn't write particularly well. Which is a drawback for a journalist imo.

    I agree with you about his writing alright. However, entitled as you are to not like him, there is obviously a reason why he has been in the same job for so long. He sells papers and is therefore good at what he does.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    I agree with you about his writing alright. However, entitled as you are to not like him, there is obviously a reason why he has been in the same job for so long. He sells papers and is therefore good at what he does.

    Well, Xavi, whether he is good at the business of selling papers or not is a different question to that of whether he is a good journalist and writer. Tabloids sell lots of papers and have figured out ways to give a certain type of person exactly what they want. But the content of tabloid papers (including the Herald) is far from what I would call "good".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Well, Xavi, whether he is good at the business of selling papers or not is a different question to that of whether he is a good journalist and writer. Tabloids sell lots of papers and have figured out ways to give a certain type of person exactly what they want. But the content of tabloid papers (including the Herald) is far from what I would call "good".

    Is that down to a personal bias against red tops or because you can spot a good journalist when you see one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Is that down to a personal bias against red tops or because you can spot a good journalist when you see one?

    Well, I buy a copy of the Irish Times every day; I'd buy the Guardian when I'm in England; the NY Times when I'm in the States. But a copy of the Herald arrives to my house every day and the Sunday World is purchased every weekend - and I flick through them.

    In my experience, I have never read a decent piece of sports journalism on any of the occassions I have browsed a tabloid (or a decent and objective general news story for that matter). But I enjoy the sports section of the papers I read regularly and the work of many of the journalists that write for them. But yes, there are average journalists working for braodsheet publications. Malone at the times is fairly storeboard and insipid imo. Not bad persay, but I wouldn't think that reading his take on something was essential.

    So I guess you can say that I have my opinion on what is "good" journalism or "bad" journalism. Ultimately, the nature of tabloids is not conducive to intelligent and balanced writing. Such papers are not set up with the intention of delivering that. Strong opinions for the sake of them and meaty speculation that has little or no factual basis - that is what sells the rags.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Herald is an absolute rag.

    That Hyland creature has a different opinion on topics every time he writes a piece.

    Fitzmaurice is alright, but his Bohs bias is cringeworthy when it comes to eL stuff.


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