Mad Idea - The Boards.ie indoor Fastest Car Speed World Record Attempt.

niceirishfella

Hi Everyone,

I got inspired to suggest the following to fellow members here that are into their metal like me!

I was watching a Top Gear re-run the other night on the telly and it was one that i had'nt seen before - don't know how cos i thought i'd seen them all at this stage.

anyways, Hammond takes a Toyota Formula 1 car into a exhibition place to see how fast a f1 car can go indoors.
They used the Daewoo or Chevy Lacetti first to set an ordinary cars speed first which was 76mph or something.
Then they set the speed in the f1 car (with the stig driving) and it was 83 or something.......please dont quote me on the speeds.

anyways, it turned out the reason the f1 car was only marginally and dissappointing faster than the reasonably priced car was that it could NOT put its power down. They were not going to show the video tape at all (as they were so dissappointed) but they realised they had done a world first...........set the worlds fastest INDOORS speed for a car.

and this got me thinking...........

Could we COLLECTIVELY here do the same, here in Ireland. And maybe for Charity?

Thinking aloud, this is what we would need.

1) an indoor space, somewhere in the rep of ireland to do it.
2) a very powerfull 4 wheel drive performance car like an evo or quatto.
3) speed detection gear.
4)independent observers to record it.
5)Camera crew to document it on Video tape.
6)a few health a safety bods and parafanalia.

I'm sure there is other stuff that could and would need to be arranged and sourced.

Well, I throw down the gauntlet.........whos up for it?..................................

and in the famous words of the guys on Top Gear -
"How hard can it be"???

Saruman

Just make sure there are a set of doors at the end that can be opened very quickly if the car can not stop

Chet T16

Funnily enough the thought crossed my mind when i seen the repeat teh other night too!

The lacetti did 70mph and the F1 car did 81mph. A nice rallycross car would do a job on that!

Whats Ireland biggest indoor area?

Saruman

RDS maybe?

Or if we clear out the SR technics place at the airport (Dublin) thats pretty big!

--amadeus--

An aircraft hanger, some sort of high grip surface that can be laid temporarily and a drag racer...

How hard can it possibly be??!

Saruman

Sure if you do it down by the airport you could race some planes at the same time...

Chet T16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wigw_y4R6lw

Henry Ford III

A huge indoor space is the key. That and a car that'll get it's power down. Catherham maybe?

niceirishfella

Henry Ford III wrote: »

A huge indoor space is the key. That and a car that'll get it's power down. Catherham maybe?

Yeah, a Catherham is a good idea............and a little guy in it who weighs a lights as a jockey!:D

Good suggestions so far.keep em going please.

Biro

Getting the power down is key. For that you'll need 4WD. If you want to really set it, either a rally cross car as suggested or a WRC car. You could ask the likes of Austin McHale or someone who would like the advertising around it! It wouldn't be all that expensive from their point of view to do it, well not compared to a rally anyway!
Seeing as you won't be going too much over 100mph it's the off the line acceleration that matters most, therefore WRC or Rally cross.
You could also look for someone with a highly tuned Evo or Impreza or Skyline.

Plug

Audi R8, RS4 and theres a lad in Ireland with a bugatti veyron. Surely that thing would beat 82mph:rolleyes:

RobAMerc

a 911 turbo should do it 0-60-0 in 6 seconds (remember it would need to stop too)

Fey!

For health and safety, you could do it rally spec with the likes of Galway Bay Rally Rescue, Richmond Ambulance Service, and a doctor. You'll find crews around the country who regularly work together, and these guys would be the pros for getting people out of cars if things go horribly wrong.

Guy:Incognito

Could they not have somewhere with a big door that you can keep accelerating out of and take the speed right at the exit point? Or do you have to stop inside the arena?

Seth Brundle

Who will pay the RDS or whoever the rental costs and who will pay the insurance costs? What about marketing?

niceirishfella

kbannon wrote: »

Who will pay the RDS or whoever the rental costs and who will pay the insurance costs? What about marketing?

Well, if it were for Charity per say, Rental costs should be FOC, and i'm not sure the RDS is LONG enough.
Insurance.........hmmmmmmmmm, we'd have to get sonsultation on that.......a insurer who covers mondello or the like might offer advice?
As for the marketing, The whole concept and idea will get lots of colum inches, radio minutes and tv footage - there would be no hassles there.

keep the thoughts and ideas flowing here. Tell me though, is there a REAL WILL to do this........or was my original post just a fancifull idea???

TELL ME>!>!>>!>!:p

Alkers

In the above video would they not have been able to go slightly faster if they went at an angle across the hall rather than down the length of it?
+1 for the driving out of a door idea.

Niall1234

The car presumabley couldn't get its power down due to the waxy looking floor where they shot that scene with the Toyota F1 car.

Surely an indoor arena with a concrete floor should lends itself to a much high speed.

niceirishfella

82 mph in that youtube clip - but surely he could have done over the tonne if he had to keep it planted,straight and true and head for that door!!:eek:

cantdecide

--amadeus-- wrote: »

How hard can it possibly be??!

Fantastic idea...

Senna

if the Lacetti was able to do it at 70mph and the world record is only 82mph, a sub 200bhp car with good tyres should be able to break that no problem.

plus i'm guessing for it to be a real indoor record the car would have to start and stop within the building.

niceirishfella

Senna wrote: »

plus i'm guessing for it to be a real indoor record the car would have to start and stop within the building.

It must be the case becausein that youtube clip, that guy would have done 100mph headed out that door....surely.

I guess you must stop indoors..............hmmmmmmmm, getting a place big enough in Ireland could be tricky?

Mr.Boots

My choice for it in no paricular order...

Lotus Elise
BMW M3
RAnge Rover Sport Supercharged
WRX STi
Evo
Westfield seight
Porsche 911 C4


No idea where you would do this.
How larrge dose the building need to be (sq ft)??

If you wanna go for a charity thing...i would get a premium car dealer involved (Des Cullen ect) and get a Lambo (with its 4wd) off them for it, i would imagine any car dealer would love the exposure.

S.I.R

you need a very powerful car... just something with efficant suspention & tyres so you can get traction ( which is the hardest thing to do indoors.... )


would reccomend something with a short gears and decent bt of box ( type civic ?? )

none modified id go for a saab 9000 turbo or such a car becuase disbite what you may or may not think theres alot of power in them...

going more upscale , imprezas and evos would be nice but im quite keen on R32-33 skylines as the have a good power/weight ratio and are lighter then the r34... they look better too !

either way anything should beat the top gear attempt.... also why not do it on a super bike whilst your at it ( hyabusha or such ? )

Mr.Boots wrote: »

If you wanna go for a charity thing...i would get a premium car dealer involved (Des Cullen ect) and get a Lambo (with its 4wd) off them for it, i would imagine any car dealer would love the exposure.

meh , im a Really big fan of lamboghini and tbh they slip more then bertie ahern over his own tounge , and thats on a God day.

Biro

S.I.R wrote: »

going more upscale , imprezas and evos would be nice but im quite keen on R32-33 skylines as the have a good power/weight ratio and are lighter then the r34... they look better too !

What? Talking about an R32 and "looks" in the same sentence? They're an excellent car, but they're one of the ugliest Jap cars in existance!
Good point about the superbike though.
Still... if you want to make the record a WRC is quicker than anything mentioned for this task.
The Range rover sport is a silly suggestion.

llatsni

I cant resist...

If for example you found a car that could accelerate to 83mph in say, 5 seconds (INCREDIBLY fast), it would need 111m just for the acceleration stage (providing no wheelspin). And say it has amazing brakes and can stop from 83mph in 4 seconds, thats another 92m!

Lets call it 210m for a tiny margin of comfort.

Thats massive.

And thats a 5 second to 83mph car.

I would pay to see that.

Paul

UPDATE: A Veyron can do 0-100-0mph in 9.9seconds - so maybe it could handle the task, would still need a massive venue.

Gerry

Yea, a dc9 teggy should do it no bother. Someone book millstreet?

Biro

llatsni wrote: »

And thats a 5 second to 83mph car.

I would pay to see that.

You don't have to, there'll be 18 of them in Galway this weekend, for free!

Fey!

Biro wrote: »

You don't have to, there'll be 18 of them in Galway this weekend, for free!

And I'll see them all launching off the first stage start line on Saturday morning (and a couple starting the last stage on Sunday afternoon, too!)

llatsni

Even the top WRC cars are not going that fast. Sorry.

They do have monumental torque figures for their fairly small engines, but they cant nearly put it all down off the line.

For example, the Veyron (starting to sound like a fanboy) has a 0-60 of less than 3 seconds and 100 by 6; the WRCs arent generally faster and plenty are a fair bit slower. Veyron has a power to weight of 0.53bhp per kg, WRCs are about half that.

bananarepublic

RS4 would be my choice? Yeah SR Technics would be probably a nice location. RDS would charges us for use.

--amadeus--

Couple of questions -

1. Has anyone been in touch with the Guinness book of records about validation requirements?
2. Does the car have to be under it's own power?
3. Does the car have to go in a straight line?

I know that the GBOR has a section in the front about applying for a WR and it's fairly simple. Insurance would be standard event insurance, same as for a rally (or football match). There are a lot of additional costs as well, rigging, security, facilities for the crowd. To make thin in any way viable you would need sponsors (Red Bull are obvious).

If the car doesn't have to use it's own power then a centerfuge is ideal but would probably be against the spirit of it all.

That said everyone is assuming the car has to move in a straight line. Has no-one ever seen a "wall of death"? A curved track would allow safe and progressive speed build up and slow down.

Now, where is my commission?

Biro

llatsni wrote: »

Even the top WRC cars are not going that fast. Sorry.

They do have monumental torque figures for their fairly small engines, but they cant nearly put it all down off the line.

For example, the Veyron (starting to sound like a fanboy) has a 0-60 of less than 3 seconds and 100 by 6; the WRCs arent generally faster and plenty are a fair bit slower. Veyron has a power to weight of 0.53bhp per kg, WRCs are about half that.

A WRC car is doing the 0-60 run in around 3.9 seconds. Can't nearly put it all down off the line? Are you crazy? That's exactly what they're built for. 25 years ago a Group B car could do 0-60 in 2.5 seconds approx on gravel. Rallycross cars today have even better performance than this.
The previous model Focus WRC is recorded at 3.9 seconds, but should be able to stop quicker. A Veyron might just be quicker, but if the surface isn't ideal then a properly set up WRC car should do better.
Maybe Rallycross is the way to go.

llatsni

we're not talking about 0-60mph...

we're talking speeds in excess of 83mph, which altho doesnt sound like all that much faster than 60, in reality it is. As demonstrated by the f1 car on TG and by my stats on the veyron.

A WRC is not putting down 400lb/ft off the line, 1st gear is a very low ratio and the boost is limited. They simply dont have the traction. 2nd gear is where the damage happens as the car is now moving, but 3rd and 4th are quite "slow" relatively speaking. Rally cars have massive diminishing returns in terms of high end acceleration. The gearing is focussed for speeds around the 40 to 80mph range (cornering). Delivery and acceleration are not linear like say an F1 or touring car would be.

milltown

niceirishfella wrote: »

It must be the case becausein that youtube clip, that guy would have done 100mph headed out that door....surely.

I guess you must stop indoors..............hmmmmmmmm, getting a place big enough in Ireland could be tricky?

If we found a car donor and a suitable kamikaze pilot, the (poor) car would stop indoors almost as soon as it hit the wall.

Biro

llatsni wrote: »

we're not talking about 0-60mph...

we're talking speeds in excess of 83mph, which altho doesnt sound like all that much faster than 60, in reality it is. As demonstrated by the f1 car on TG and by my stats on the veyron.

A WRC is not putting down 400lb/ft off the line, 1st gear is a very low ratio and the boost is limited. They simply dont have the traction. 2nd gear is where the damage happens as the car is now moving, but 3rd and 4th are quite "slow" relatively speaking. Rally cars have massive diminishing returns in terms of high end acceleration. The gearing is focussed for speeds around the 40 to 80mph range (cornering). Delivery and acceleration are not linear like say an F1 or touring car would be.

WRC cars have 560lb/ft. Their sequential box changes in a tiny amount of time, can't remember exactly, but their changes are far faster than even a quick sequential box in a road car. I know what you're saying, that they're not designed for top speed, but the rate that they'll accelerate in the mid range should suit indoors, and then the rate that they'll be able to scrub off speed with 8-pot calipers should be better than a road car too.
The F1 car is on the wrong surface with tyres that aren't up to proper temperature, so while in ideal conditions it would wipe anything out bar top drag racers, it's not suitable.
I think rally cross cars are the answer.

ianobrien

llatsni wrote: »

we're not talking about 0-60mph...

we're talking speeds in excess of 83mph, which altho doesnt sound like all that much faster than 60, in reality it is. As demonstrated by the f1 car on TG and by my stats on the veyron.

A WRC is not putting down 400lb/ft off the line, 1st gear is a very low ratio and the boost is limited. They simply dont have the traction. 2nd gear is where the damage happens as the car is now moving, but 3rd and 4th are quite "slow" relatively speaking. Rally cars have massive diminishing returns in terms of high end acceleration. The gearing is focussed for speeds around the 40 to 80mph range (cornering). Delivery and acceleration are not linear like say an F1 or touring car would be.

I beg to differ. I was talking to a Prodrive engineer and with the launch control, the computer handles the first three gear changes for optimal accelleration. The gearing in a WRC car can be changed (in about 20 minutes, taking their time) by changing the gearbox or diffs. Just compare average speeds on Rally Finland with Rally Greece!

If you want, you can get a WRC car to have a max speed of 90mph or 150mph (149.9mph in a Corolla WRC with the long gearing)

The beauty of a WRC car for this is the accelleration. This is needed due to building length.

However, Another possibility would be a proper Group B car, like an RS200 EVO, with a 0-60 time of under 3 seconds!

Another Idea would be to get a drag car to do a rolling burnout on the course, laying down some rubber. This should make it easier for the real car to get the power down

Biro

With a WRC car you could start along the gable (for want of a better word!) turning through 90 degrees onto the straight and nailing it. You should have a 30 - 40mph advantage going onto the length straight.

S.I.R

Biro wrote: »

What? Talking about an R32 and "looks" in the same sentence? They're an excellent car, but they're one of the ugliest Jap cars in existance!
Good point about the superbike though.
Still... if you want to make the record a WRC is quicker than anything mentioned for this task.
The Range rover sport is a silly suggestion.

not the super sport edition.... beats the dodge viper.... using slicks on grass ( as prove by top gear )


anyone though of using a m3-m5 ? i know you guys are bais and just a bunch of skoda drivers but leave the egos behind for a second.

think about it.... " 500 " hp at the wheels.... and doing it in style.... wonder where you will find a car for doing this

Motormouth

It's a no brainer for car choice guys, a Rallycross supercar is the only option. Quicker to 100 than an F1 car and far quicker off the line than a WRC car, and there are quite a few of them in the country. Currently running restrictors to 550bhp, but these are easily removed to give almost 700bhp......
And there are 5 or 6 of them in the country, they would probably all give it a go on the same day, especially if it's for charity.
If you want to see these cars in action, come to Mondello this Sunday, they are INCREDIBLE off the line!:cool: