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Pato - the new Ronaldo?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭Y2J_MUFC


    I think he will turn out in the same vain as Kaka....in the sense that they plucked him from Brazil as a young player with a top rep... and turn him into one of the top players in Europe. I think him & Kaka in a few years will be somethin' special


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    We had a bit of a Pato love in here a week or 2 ago if you do a search. It was his debut for Milan. He definitely impressed but still looks a bit raw.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    eirebhoy wrote: »
    We had a bit of a Pato love in here a week or 2 ago if you do a search. It was his debut for Milan. He definitely impressed but still looks a bit raw.

    That was me ;)

    It actually wont be long until a player comes along labelled as 'the new Pato'. Just the other day I saw a story linking United with some Brazilian lad dubbed 'the new Robinho'....the same Robinho who only turned 23 a few days ago!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    Archimedes wrote: »
    Kaka is ridiculously over rated
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Player_of_the_Year

    Must be a fix.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    Savman wrote: »

    In Serie A, he's nothing more than an average player


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    Savman wrote: »

    You'd be surprised how many people agree with you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    Well damnit if Kaka is "average" and he's the 2007 FIFA World Player Of The Year, what does that makes the rest? Below average?

    Right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Very below average :)

    Kaka is amazing, but I would question his consistency. You might say that Ronaldo only scores against crap teams, but that is no small skill, and will win you a league. While maybe the CL is bigger, the league is still very important. I think however that Kaka's problem is that he is a central midfielder, and thus always stuck with either doing something magical on his own, or else the rest of the team working well.
    While the way Ronaldo works as a winger means that he gets into a lot of positions to score goals and get assists, positions that Kaka could never get into as a central midfielder.
    If Kaka was at a different team like United or Real, you'd see a much more consistant player I think throughout the league.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭Y2J_MUFC


    PHB wrote: »
    Very below average :)

    You might say that Ronaldo only scores against crap teams, but that is no small skill, and will win you a league

    I think whoever says that might want to check if Arsenal, Roma, Everton are "crap" teams. Although I would take the point that he doesn't play aswell against the bigger teams generally. Although he has given Ashley Cole a number of roasting for United & Portugal in recent seasons.

    If Kaka is an average player in the world, and he's the World Player Of The Year, by that logic no player in the world is "good".

    PHB, Kaka players in the hole behind the striker as an attacking midfielder.. he's not strictly a central midfielder, so i think he can get into those positions, because he has a license to roam usually. I think the fact that Milan play no wide players restricts the room for Kaka to work. I do agree with ya tho, I think he'd be better in England. The game is quicker, and more spread out. He'd have more space to work in


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭iregk


    I've been biting my tongue on this and didn't want to get involved in an argument so early in the morning.

    Pato, potentially a class act. He has a great touch, great technique and all around great ability. Pace isn't quite there but according to the lab he has about 3 years or physical development left in him so his pace will be a lot better in 2 years time. That said its all pure potential at the moment. Any player can come out, have one blinding year where the opposition doesn't know what to do with them, until they learn. The following season the disappear as people start to figure them out.

    Jeffers is a typical result of that statement. The good players adapt to this and over come it. Thats what Pato is going to need to do. He will get figured out but he will have to grow the mental side of his game to get past that.

    As for the Kaka/Milan debate. Some people cannot see past today. Ancelotti said in the summer he was building for the future and this season would be painful. The backline is old and being rebuilt. The midfield is gradually being revamped (seedorf, ambrosini 31+ etc...) and the attack needs a refresh. Gilla not good enough and Inzaghi is 34. Kaka is the star of the show and mostly its just him and Pirlo in the show so he has a lot of weight on his shoulders. He ain't superman. The CL is a break in an otherwise closly scrutinised domestic season from him and he has dominated teams the past couple of seasons.

    To say he is ridiculously over hyped is just plain silly. These are usually the type of people who don't appreciate genuine technique. Maradonna went past people will little effort only touching the ball slightly, kaka has that ability. Sometimes I think people need to see someone doing 20 stepovers to beat one man in order for them to qualify as good.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭redspider


    Pato is definitely a chap to keep an eye on as he is very young and is a talent. Will he be playing against Ireland I wonder?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    im not going to go blow my load over pato at the mo, in fairness this thread is horribly titled, ronaldo was 10 times the player pato is when he was his age, he was destroying teams single handedly back then, i havent seen enough of the guy yet to make a conclusion personal judgement on him, but i dont see any pace and i dont see where the hype is coming from


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    redspider wrote: »
    Pato is definitely a chap to keep an eye on as he is very young and is a talent. Will he be playing against Ireland I wonder?
    I doubt he'll start but he'll surely come on at some stage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    Y2J_MUFC wrote: »

    PHB, Kaka players in the hole behind the striker as an attacking midfielder.. he's not strictly a central midfielder, so i think he can get into those positions, because he has a license to roam usually. I think the fact that Milan play no wide players restricts the room for Kaka to work. I do agree with ya tho, I think he'd be better in England. The game is quicker, and more spread out. He'd have more space to work in

    Just saw this now? I don't think a number 10 has ever worked well in England and England don't even produce any (with Le Tiss maybe being an exception). The closest thing now is Joe Cole and he's forced to play on the wing. Couldn't see Kaka working in England as well as the CL. Also, English fans love players who give their all no matter what the situation or team, certainly not Kaka


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    Players are played behind the strikers a lot in England but they're mostly required to track back. Kaka isn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭redspider


    Speaking of Kaka, I went to post something in the Celtic thread (renamed the SPL thread) but I couldnt find it anywhere! The soccer forum stopped threads after 7 pages or something, or did I miss it? Do you know where it is eirebhoy ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭ThE_IVIAcIVIAIV


    Pato is the new Shevo for sure. sheva got his first goal for kiev at 18 and so on and so forth. but pato had a brighter start(bigger team + experience players to guide him)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    kryogen wrote: »
    in fairness this thread is horribly titled

    eh in fairness...it was a question, after various people in and out of the media are making comparisons to both Ronaldo and Kaka.

    In fairness D12 Kimmage


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    Pato is the new Shevo for sure.
    Now I'm convinced we're talking about Pato from Coolock. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭ThE_IVIAcIVIAIV


    i meant sheva sorry

    http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jan29e.html


    Sheva: Pato is the new me
    Tuesday 29 January, 2008

    Former Milan striking ace Andriy Shevchenko claims that Rossoneri starlet Alexandre Pato is his heir at San Siro.

    Since arriving from Brazilian side Internacional in January, the 18-year-old Pato has won plaudits all over the peninsula with his impressive performances and fired a match-winning double against Genoa last weekend.

    The last time the Milan faithful embraced a new arrival with such fervour was Shevchenko, who also made a fast start to his career when he scored his first Champions League goal for Dynamo Kiev at the age of 18.

    “Pato does resemble me because he likes to play from deep,” Sheva told La Gazzetta dello Sport.

    “He isn’t a first striker and he is similar to me in the way he plays as he reads the play and attacks the spaces. I like how Pato always moves forward rather than laterally.

    “I was exactly like him in that I was dangerous but I missed lots of chances. I improved over the years, but Pato is lucky to have arrived at Milan so early.

    “It’s not too soon to come to Milan as he has teammates who will help him to grow. These are players with a different view of the game to others, men like Andrea Pirlo, Kaka and Clarence Seedorf and playing alongside those kind of stars is a guarantee for a striker. Pato will write his story just like I made mine.

    “It doesn’t matter how many goals he scores as long as he is growing. Pato is perfect for Milan’s style of play and they need a player like him – it is the perfect marriage.”

    Although it seems increasingly unlikely that Shevchenko will ever return to San Siro, he still has great affection for his former side.

    “I am happy with the time I spent at Milan, as they were seven fantastic years and it was my best period of my career,” he reflected.

    “Even the difficult seasons were good and that will stay with me. I love Milan and I love Italy as it gave me so much.”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    He will be a legend


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 609 ✭✭✭Dubit10


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Ah here. Says the man who refers to Anderson as 'God'. He isn't fit to clean Kaka's boots.

    Ha Ha.Beat me to it.Have ya ever heard the likes:rolleyes:


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