Banned from TCD for "speaking ill" of a pervert.

Degsy

For years TCD had to suffer the attentions of a dirty little man nicknamed Matt the Jap..he was NEVER anything to do with the college but used to hang around abusing and assualting staff and sexually harrassing female students.A lot o the students,knowing nothing about him seemed to hold him in some sort of esteem as a lovable rogue,a view the staff vigourously oppsed.He died in November (not in the college) and a thread was opened up in TCD,with some people saying he was a great man etc and anybody who said otherwise(myself included) being banned.Now,my problem is this:apart from hanging around the place like a bad smell,this man had NOTHING to do with the college,he also wasnt a member of boards.ie and as such was nothing more than a vagrant.Why should somebody be banned for "abuse" of a memeber of the public,dead or not?This would be akin to a banning of anybodyt who badmouthed Harold Shipman on the grounds that its not good to "speak ill of the dead".The mod in question has abused his powers for the sake of trying to appear "cool".

6th

Is it the same as people getting ban for called Berty a thieving bitch?

Do you want your ban lifted or are you making a complaint about the mod? Who banned you btw and do you have a link?

Time Magazine

Wooo so not getting into this but

Degsy wrote: »

he was NEVER anything to do with the college

is untrue. He was a student, back in the day.

Thread.

Degsy

6th wrote: »

Is it the same as people getting ban for called Berty a thieving bitch?

Do you want your ban lifted or are you making a complaint about the mod? Who banned you btw and do you have a link?

I'm complaining about the mod..the TCD charter doesnt include down-and-outs who choose to hang out there.I havnt got a link as i cant get into the forum..

6th

Ah now Degsy, you know you can log out and get a link

Degsy

Ibid wrote: »

Wooo so not getting into this but



is untrue. He was a student, back in the day.

Thread.

Maybe he was..in the 1980's but he was banned from the library for life for defacing books.He was further banned from the college for sexual harrasment,theft and assualt.Student publications of various hues have been letting him use thier pages to libel and slander people and anybody who speaks against him gets banned??!!

John

Whatever your thoughts about him, his relation to the college and status amongst the student body; you were banned from the forum for continually going against the mods and then you repeated your actions in the SAME THREAD! If you do this on any forum here you'll get banned, whether you are right in your convictions or not. Just because he libelled people through TCD papers it doesn't mean that you can do the same through boards.

Here is the thread.

Crash

You were not banned for speaking ill of him. you were banned for being an abusive ass degsy. You had long made it known you did not like the man. I had agreed with you, I wasn't exactly a fan. However you spent the entire time in that thread being an aggressive bollocks to anyone who posted on it, and didn't comply when I said for yourself and one other to stop posting aggressively and being an ass to other users over the topic.

lets quote some fantastic ones from you on that thread:

Probably froze to death rooting in a bin.

quality. that and a couple of others after I'd said to stop meant that apexaviour banned you for a week.

FOLLOWING your week ban being up, your first post was:

Who cares?He's brown bread and thats the main thing.

stop playing the hurt party here, there isn't one.

to sum up:

man people knew around college dies. some people liked him, some didn't. there had been plenty of threads about him where this had come up previously, degsy made everyone aware of what was a fair synopsis of some of the mans unsavoury acts in the past. fair enough.

Funeral thread becomes degsy shouting down every poster who decided they wanted to say anything positive, and so got banned. then his first post back was to act the arse. Apex banned him for a month, fully deserved.

Degsy

çrash_000 wrote: »

You were not banned for speaking ill of him. you were banned for being an abusive ass degsy. You had long made it known you did not like the man. I had agreed with you, I wasn't exactly a fan. However you spent the entire time in that thread being an aggressive bollocks to anyone who posted on it, and didn't comply when I said for yourself and one other to stop posting aggressively and being an ass to other users over the topic.

lets quote some fantastic ones from you on that thread:



quality. that and a couple of others after I'd said to stop meant that apexaviour banned you for a week.

FOLLOWING your week ban being up, your first post was:



stop playing the hurt party here, there isn't one.

to sum up:

man people knew around college dies. some people liked him, some didn't. there had been plenty of threads about him where this had come up previously, degsy made everyone aware of what was a fair synopsis of some of the mans unsavoury acts in the past. fair enough.

Funeral thread becomes degsy shouting down every poster who decided they wanted to say anything positive, and so got banned. then his first post back was to act the arse. Apex banned him for a month, fully deserved.

So its against the charter to be "abusive" about non-boards members?Discuss theb loke but only if you're willing to say he was some kind of college "legend".As for my quote about him rooting in a bin...thats what he used to do..if you didnt know that you didnt know much about him.My feelings are that people posting "positive" stuff about the man is an insult to staff and others who had to suffer his bullshiit for much longer than the four years most students spend in the place.

6th

Degsy you were told to quit it by a mod and didnt. If you had a problem with the mod then you take it to Helpdesk or Feedback .... what you dont do is ignore the mod, thats what you were banned for. The subject of discussion at the time is irrelevant.

Crash

You've told everyone and its mother on the board before what you thought of Matt, and we never said a word to you. You did it on a thread shortly after the guy died, I called bad taste on it and told you to stop. you didn't.

Quit with the bull**** of "oh, you're only allowed say nice things about him on the tcd board" because if that was so you'd have been banned a long long time ago.

Degsy

6th wrote: »

Degsy you were told to quit it by a mod and didnt. If you had a problem with the mod then you take it to Helpdesk or Feedback .... what you dont do is ignore the mod, thats what you were banned for. The subject of discussion at the time is irrelevant.

No i wasnt.My piece was left intact untill some bloke started going on about speaking ill of the dead..i was then banned and my piece deleted.i WASNT warned..the mod in question was then described by another poster as being "self-righteous".That about sums it up.

Crash

Degsy wrote: »

the mod in question was then described by another poster as being "self-righteous".That about sums it up.

left out the part about how the poster who called him self righteous was one of your co-workers. oopsy.

Degsy

çrash_000 wrote: »

left out the part about how the poster who called him self righteous was one of your co-workers. oopsy.

Yeah,between us we've over 30 years service..who'd know better?

Crash

I'm sorry, I thought this was more about you thinking you were unfairly banned, and less about your work experience. If we really want to go into that i'll take your CV only in microsoft word or PDF format, thankyou.

Boston

See my posts on the thread in question. See that I wasn't banned. Also the charter is not the definitive document on what can and can't be said on the forum. Thats precisely what the admins try to avoid, i.e. being held to task by rules set in stone.

Nevyn

6th wrote: »

Is it the same as people getting ban for called Berty a thieving bitch?

No Patrick Bartholomew Ahern is still alive and thus can be libeled,
dead people can't be.

6th

Thaedydal wrote: »

No Patrick Bartholomew Ahern is still alive and thus can be libeled,
dead people can't be.

Man dead people have it rough! I'm gonna talk to some later and see what can be done about it.

Vegeta

6th wrote: »

Man dead people have it rough! I'm gonna talk to some later and see what can be done about it.

quality

Sully

Degsy:- When a mod asks you to stop, stop. If you don't agree with the mod, send him a PM. If that fails, move onto the Help Desk / Feedback forum and make your point there. That's a simple rule, that applies everywhere: Problems with a moderator, speak to him/her or take it to HelpDesk / Feedback.

You were asked to stop, and decided to ignore the request. As a result, you got banned. You made your point once, were asked to stop but continued to make it anyway - you basically said to yourself "**** the mod, ill do whatever the **** I want". Your comments were abusive and general rude towards the dead man after the point. So you ignored a mod and went on trolling. Both are ban worthy.

If it was me, I would have done the same. Why?

1) You were not constructive. Saying you dislike him and why is constructive. Going to lengths to abuse him and say stuff like "Probably froze to death rooting in a bin." is over-stepping the line and being unconstructive. Its trolling and by saying that your starting an argument with others who respect the man. Banable offense #1.

2) You made your point once, and after that time, a mod requested you (and others) refrain from making such remarks again. You ignored the mod, and continued. You clearly didn't agree with the mods request, and if so your supposed to take it to PM/Feedback/Help Desk. You did neither. Banable offense #2.

You can whine, and bitch and claim you should be able to make your point all you want. At the end of the day, its the forum mods decision. The ban was justified regardless of what the mod requested.

Sully

Degsy wrote: »

i WASNT warned..

Really? Are you sure? Because.. well, iv looked at it and the topic says differently.

You made your point here

The mod came and posted after the above points and issued the warning here.

You continued after that, and as a result, got banned.

End Result: You got a warning, ignored it, and got banned. Your here today claiming you got no warning, even though the world can see clearly you did. Thank You and Good Day.

RoundyMooney

Jaysus Degs, easy on the drama.

Whatever about the perceived rights or wrongs of the discussion itself, the mods made the decision to take the issue down a notch. Had you an issue, you could have discussed it with them via PM.

To compound this, you come straight back after a ban and do the same again, in the process garnering the support of one of your buddies?

Poor show, man. There are better ways to get your POV out there...

Degsy

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Jaysus Degs, easy on the drama.

Whatever about the perceived rights or wrongs of the discussion itself, the mods made the decision to take the issue down a notch. Had you an issue, you could have discussed it with them via PM.

To compound this, you come straight back after a ban and do the same again, in the process garnering the support of one of your buddies?

Poor show, man. There are better ways to get your POV out there...

The stuff being posted on that thread wa smaking me sick..people were coming along and saying stuff like "i hear he invented mathematics" and "oh yeah,me and him regularly discuss intellectual matters,everybody who dislikes him is a racist".Pure bull.Point of order,Roundy,i 'garnered' support from a work-colleague after i was banned the FIRST time,because she,rightly tough the mod was exceeding his authority and panderuing to the "omg,he's a legend" school of students,some of which were in the college barely a month.

AckwelFoley

Looks to me that you have a personal vendetta against this man.

I suggest you take some "grow up" tablets 120mgs, twice a day with food.

There should be no people bashing on boards imo.. full stop.. except in the thunderdome where you can call all person c***tards.

Hes dead, your alive.

You can post again.. he.. erm..cant.

Stargal

Degsy wrote: »

The stuff being posted on that thread wa smaking me sick..people were coming along and saying stuff like "i hear he invented mathematics" and "oh yeah,me and him regularly discuss intellectual matters,everybody who dislikes him is a racist".Pure bull.Point of order,Roundy,i 'garnered' support from a work-colleague after i was banned the FIRST time,because she,rightly tough the mod was exceeding his authority and panderuing to the "omg,he's a legend" school of students,some of which were in the college barely a month.

You make it sound as if all you were trying to do was give a clear and more balanced view of Matt. You weren't. You crossed the line repeatedly with the insults and ApeX had warned you already. I know the guy caused hassle for you in the library, but Jesus, he DIED. Leave it go.

You knew one side of the guy - other people knew a different side. They didn't see all the stuff that you did, so they wrote their posts based on what they knew. Just because there's a difference of opinion doesn't give you any kind of superiority or mean that you're the person who's automatically right.

Degsy

snyper wrote: »

Looks to me that you have a personal vendetta against this man.

Jeez,you're a sharp one!

6th

Degsy, how about you address Sullys points?

Degsy

Stargal wrote: »

Just because there's a difference of opinion doesn't give you any kind of superiority or mean that you're the person who's automatically right.

Nor does it mean that anybody who disagrees with me is automaticaly right.So i wasnt particularly kind about the man,there was nothing in the tcd charter to say i had to be.Why wasnt an infraction given first?

Degsy

6th wrote: »

Degsy, how about you address Sullys points?

Coz i cant get into the forum to read his links.Anyway,i couldnt care less what he has to say.

6th

Degsy wrote: »

Coz i cant get into the forum to read his links.Anyway,i couldnt care less what he has to say.

Ok well here is what he linked to:

Degsy wrote: »

:cool:


The college should pay for nothing.he was nothing but a bum and had no connection with the place apart from to cause trouble and have certain people hoodwinked into thinking he was osme sort of charcter.

çrash_000 wrote: »

Right, lets put it this way.

The man is dead, some people liked him, others didn't. Those who didn't, DON'T spend your time on this thread simply posting about how he was a bollocks, cus I will delete.

Secondly, College will NOT pay for his funeral, and I can't believe some of you even think that. among other things SIPTU would kick up a fuss, so its a non-issue. stop arguing about it. drop it. Get it?

See that up there is crash's post ... thats a warning.

Degsy

6th wrote: »

Ok well here is what he linked to:





See that up there is crash's post ... thats a warning.

"I will delete"..it doesnt say "I will delete and ban people".

6th

Degsy, you are not an idiot.

AckwelFoley

Degsy wrote: »

Jeez,you're a sharp one!

How about you follow ma advice then?

Crash

Hah, actually read the first post properly this time - two other things to add:

Degsy wrote: »

anybody who said otherwise(myself included) being banned.

LIES. LIES LIES LIES. LIES LIES.

you were the only one banned.

The mod in question has abused his powers for the sake of trying to appear "cool".

COME SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM (i'm trying to see how many times I can use this as a reply to to feedback threads in the space of a month. think i'm on 4.

Stargal

çrash_000 wrote: »

COME SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM (i'm trying to see how many times I can use this as a reply to to feedback threads in the space of a month. think i'm on 4.

Lol. I'd say this thread just might help you get up to about 10 if Degsy keeps on going like this

Degsy wrote:

The mod in question has abused his powers for the sake of trying to appear "cool".

Ah here Degsy, seriously, what are you up to? There were warnings, you ignored them, you got banned. What are you being so contrary for? You sound like some n00b trying to fight the powah. For the record, ApeX is a v good mod who deal with crap on the TCD board v well and I've yet to change my mind on that based on anything you've said so far.

RuggieBear

tbh, I'm curious as to why it is not a permanent ban?

Heisenberg.

This post has been deleted.

RoundyMooney

Degsy wrote: »

The stuff being posted on that thread wa smaking me sick..people were coming along and saying stuff like "i hear he invented mathematics" and "oh yeah,me and him regularly discuss intellectual matters,everybody who dislikes him is a racist".Pure bull.Point of order,Roundy,i 'garnered' support from a work-colleague after i was banned the FIRST time,because she,rightly tough the mod was exceeding his authority and panderuing to the "omg,he's a legend" school of students,some of which were in the college barely a month.

You may well be right about the TCD guy, or you could be 100% wrong. I don't know. It's not relevant to this discussion tbh. Fact is, quite simply the mod made the call, and removed your access twice because you were taking the discussion somewhere it shouldn't have gone, as they saw it.

You're here long enough to know the craic, and long enough to know the folly, and more often than not, the inaccuracy of throwing fight teh powah allegations about. I can't help feeling that you've gotten caught up in this and are making it out to be a bigger issue than it merits. This thread has already gotten ugly, and my advice would be to just let it go.

There was no infraction, because there was a lucid warning on thread. This situation is quite clear cut from my point of view, and others as well.

I'd take the ban, and forget about Matt the Jap, whoever he was

Crash

OR, which is much more fun, you can keep telling inaccurate versions of what happened, and claiming that we're trying to be in with the hip crowd. That'll be entertaining.

Calina

Degsy wrote: »

The stuff being posted on that thread wa smaking me sick..people were coming along and saying stuff like "i hear he invented mathematics" and "oh yeah,me and him regularly discuss intellectual matters,everybody who dislikes him is a racist".Pure bull.Point of order,Roundy,i 'garnered' support from a work-colleague after i was banned the FIRST time,because she,rightly tough the mod was exceeding his authority and panderuing to the "omg,he's a legend" school of students,some of which were in the college barely a month.

In the name of all that's holy why the hell did you bother continuing to read the damn thread then? Are you on a one-person mission to "set the record straight" or something.

I don't understand this. I really don't. I have nothing to do with Trinity, so I really don't know too much of the background, but I really and truly get the impression that you are attaching far too much attention to how you feel about this person and not enough to moving on.

What worries the hell out of me is part of this thread almost plays out like a PI thread and I really wonder if Feedback is the place for it.

My opinion on all fronts is let it go. You still have your life out before you and you really shouldn't get so het up about anything on a message board, be it the ban or other people's opinions. Life is far, far too short to lose too much emotional energy on the decision of a mod on a message board. Me, where it turns nasty...I walk away. It's easier and it's a lot less stressful.

I'd also add that your opinion on anything doesn't permit you to circumvent the rules of any forum per se, and if you are asked by a mod to tone it down, and you subsequently don't tone it down, then I have little sympathy for you getting banned. Getting banned once is unfortunate, getting banned twice for the same reason. As it happens, it is entirely possible to highlight the negative impression you have of someone, even if they are dead, without actually using wholly offensive language and if that had occurred to you, it is entirely possible you might not now be banned, and you might not now be so stressed out.

togster

Leave Degsy Alone

Crash

An older boy made me do it sir.

on that note: a fine contribution to the thread togster. collect your medal round back.

Sully

Sully wrote: »

Degsy:- When a mod asks you to stop, stop. If you don't agree with the mod, send him a PM. If that fails, move onto the Help Desk / Feedback forum and make your point there. That's a simple rule, that applies everywhere: Problems with a moderator, speak to him/her or take it to HelpDesk / Feedback.

You were asked to stop, and decided to ignore the request. As a result, you got banned. You made your point once, were asked to stop but continued to make it anyway - you basically said to yourself "**** the mod, ill do whatever the **** I want". Your comments were abusive and general rude towards the dead man after the point. So you ignored a mod and went on trolling. Both are ban worthy.

If it was me, I would have done the same. Why?

1) You were not constructive. Saying you dislike him and why is constructive. Going to lengths to abuse him and say stuff like "Probably froze to death rooting in a bin." is over-stepping the line and being unconstructive. Its trolling and by saying that your starting an argument with others who respect the man. Banable offense #1.

2) You made your point once, and after that time, a mod requested you (and others) refrain from making such remarks again. You ignored the mod, and continued. You clearly didn't agree with the mods request, and if so your supposed to take it to PM/Feedback/Help Desk. You did neither. Banable offense #2.

You can whine, and bitch and claim you should be able to make your point all you want. At the end of the day, its the forum mods decision. The ban was justified regardless of what the mod requested.

Sully wrote: »

Really? Are you sure? Because.. well, iv looked at it and the topic says differently.

You made your point here

The mod came and posted after the above points and issued the warning here.

You continued after that, and as a result, got banned.

End Result: You got a warning, ignored it, and got banned. Your here today claiming you got no warning, even though the world can see clearly you did. Thank You and Good Day.

Read and stop avoiding my posts.

Degsy wrote: »

The stuff being posted on that thread wa smaking me sick..people were coming along and saying stuff like "i hear he invented mathematics" and "oh yeah,me and him regularly discuss intellectual matters,everybody who dislikes him is a racist".Pure bull.Point of order,Roundy,i 'garnered' support from a work-colleague after i was banned the FIRST time,because she,rightly tough the mod was exceeding his authority and panderuing to the "omg,he's a legend" school of students,some of which were in the college barely a month.

Iv looked in the topic and I cant find any of the quotes you just put in your post...

Hagar

6th wrote: »

Man dead people have it rough! I'm gonna talk to some later and see what can be done about it.

You were going so well...

6th wrote: »

Degsy, you are not an idiot.

Then you blew it...

6th

Damn!

I predict this will end with DNA tests proving that Matt the Jap was Degsy's father!

Boston

Degsy wrote: »

Nor does it mean that anybody who disagrees with me is automaticaly right.So i wasnt particularly kind about the man,there was nothing in the tcd charter to say i had to be.Why wasnt an infraction given first?

1) You don't have an automatic right to a warning
2) You don't have an automatic right to an infraction before banning
3) The mod in question was well within his brief.
4) I managed to express the same opinion as yourself without getting my ass banned.
5) You'd already been banned for comments in that thread, how is that not a warning to avoid stiring the ****e.
6) The charter is a sub set of the rules you have to obey. It is there to limit your activities, not the mods response.
7) Shut the **** up. Of all the moderators to have a go at you're going to pick Apex. You know yours is probably the only ban he's ever given out. He has consistently shown an unbiased and fair hand. Do you even know anything about the guy?
8) You're making yourself look pretty bad.

OTK

A university is a place for clever for people to explore and push the boundaries of human knowledge. They learn and research and publish. Matt did all this. He was disabled and suffered from dementia.

What's your most recent publication, Degsy?

Degsy wrote: »

The stuff being posted on that thread wa smaking me sick..people were coming along and saying stuff like "i hear he invented mathematics" and "oh yeah,me and him regularly discuss intellectual matters,everybody who dislikes him is a racist".Pure bull.Point of order,Roundy,i 'garnered' support from a work-colleague after i was banned the FIRST time,because she,rightly tough the mod was exceeding his authority and panderuing to the "omg,he's a legend" school of students,some of which were in the college barely a month.

AckwelFoley

Before this thread, goes too far,

Could somone think of the kids?


Anyhow.. back on topic.. i think all infractions, warns and bans should be taken on the chin..

Ive received enough of them in my time on the internet to know this..


and you know what they say about fighting on the internet?

Boston

OTK wrote: »

A university is a place for clever for people to explore and push the boundaries of human knowledge. They learn and research and publish. Matt did all this. He was disabled and suffered from dementia.

What's your most recent publication, Degsy?

You're arguing about the basis of the original thread. Fatal mistake. What was matt the japs last publication since you're claiming he published material. Also Degsy isn't an academic.

RoundyMooney

This thread is not about MTJ (oh looky, he's got a TLA now), OTK.

AOK?

QED.

Crash

Boston wrote: »

7) Shut the **** up. Of all the moderators to have a go at you're going to pick Apex. You know yours is probably the only ban he's ever given out. He has consistently shown an unbiased and fair hand. Do you even know anything about the guy?

are you implying that i'm the biased unfairhanded one??


...I like it.