Brake Pads??

antodeco

Hi All,
Recently got a set of 4 new tyres (last Saturday) and by Tuesday my rear left tyre starting screeching. I only noticed this when I was braking. But then the following day simply driving creates a screeching sound, as if driving a train. Also, when I slowed down via the brake it was a very deep crunching sound. To limit what it was, when travelling slowly I slowly engaged the handbreake, and the same sound happened. I brought it back to the garage (fast-fit) who replaced the tyres and asked them to have a look at it for me. They said the rear brake pad was completely worn and as a result has not caused the disc to wear away and screech. He advised me it would be around €250 to fix. My questions are:

- Is it simply a co-incidence that the brakes went very close to getting new tyres? (BTW the tyres are the exact same size)
- Would worn pads cause a "train chugging noise" when simply driving?
- The pads were only checked 10k Kms ago as part of the service, and they were fine. Could they go that quick?
- Are they covered under warranty? (Car has 43K Kms on it, and is nearly 2 years old)
- What price would I generally be looking at?

Thanks all

cantdecide

antodeco wrote: »

....has not caused the disc to wear away and screech...[I don't understand]...Would worn pads cause a "train chugging noise" when simply driving...Are they covered under warranty?

They're designed to screech when they're worn.

My Dad's Lex had brake rattles caused by light-duty brake components...

I'd imagine general service/ wear and tear wouldn't be covered.

What you driving, Antodeco??

antodeco

cantdecide wrote: »

They're designed to screech when they're worn.

My Dad's Lex had brake rattles caused by light-duty brake components...

I'd imagine general service/ wear and tear wouldn't be covered.

What you driving, Antodeco??

It was very strange though. Was perfectly fine, then within the space of maybe 5 minutes they went. From Dublin, I drove to athlone and back, and was fine. Drove down to Newbridge and was fine. But when I went to park in the multi-storey I heard the noise. I guess Ill have to bite the bullet and pay for them :mad: Driving an almera.

cantdecide

antodeco wrote: »

It was very strange though. Was perfectly fine, then within the space of maybe 5 minutes they went. From Dublin, I drove to athlone and back, and was fine. Drove down to Newbridge and was fine. But when I went to park in the multi-storey I heard the noise. I guess Ill have to bite the bullet and pay for them :mad: Driving an almera.

In the case of the Lex, they told us that if the wheel studs aren't torqued properly, you could warp the discs and that's what caused noise and vibrations. Having said that, they're known for having soft brakes...

You could always bring it back to the stealer and tell them 'blub blub its broken, it's wrong and i don't know what to do- waaaahhhh'. If they tell you it's worn pads do them then and if the problem persists, it's they're baby now. I think it's fair to say that unless they're a buch of total butchers or idiots, changing out a set of tyres shouldn't cause any consequential damage.

antodeco

My thoughts exactly. When I was in there, they tried wrangling a full alignment out of me at the same time (despite it only being FWD). They told me it was totally off, despite it only being recently done. I got them to take the whole wheel off and back and incase it wasnt attached properly. Still the same. There is no deterioaration in handling or braking.

meathstevie

If you mill one kerb or hit one decent pothole half a minute after getting an alignment done it could be completly screwed again even when your car was sparewheel drive..

antodeco

True!

mickdw

Has your car disc or drum brakes at the rear? If its discs they replace the pads on the back but your discs should be fine as the grinding noise would be just a lip on the edge of the disc rubbing with the backing of the pad. You have low miles so discs couldnt be worn (back ones anyway). Price to repair - Well I buy my pads for €40 at the most and that is for much sportier and heavier cars than yours. Main dealer would be double that. Add labour of about half hour each side and thats the cost. I would not pay more than €180 for the job. I always do my own pads and at about €35 a set and €5 for fluid plus one off tool costs of about €30, makes normal servicing very affordable.
It should be a strong rumbling that you hear from the brakes. If it was only a screeching type noise, it could possible just be a stone caught in the brakes ( This does sound very bad when it happens) Its quite common if you drive on loose chips.

antodeco

mickdw wrote: »

Has your car disc or drum brakes at the rear? If its discs they replace the pads on the back but your discs should be fine as the grinding noise would be just a lip on the edge of the disc rubbing with the backing of the pad. You have low miles so discs couldnt be worn (back ones anyway). Price to repair - Well I buy my pads for €40 at the most and that is for much sportier and heavier cars than yours. Main dealer would be double that. Add labour of about half hour each side and thats the cost. I would not pay more than €180 for the job. I always do my own pads and at about €35 a set and €5 for fluid plus one off tool costs of about €30, makes normal servicing very affordable.
It should be a strong rumbling that you hear from the brakes. If it was only a screeching type noise, it could possible just be a stone caught in the brakes ( This does sound very bad when it happens) Its quite common if you drive on loose chips.

Its a drum on the rear. I thought it may have been dust under the pads at first, but 200 kms of driving didnt resolve it! As you rightly said, the noise is a very deep, almost plane engine, sound when Im braking. Its odd how its a constant noise when im driving as well though??

cantdecide

Hopefully it's just the brake pads but maybe the handbrake is caught on one side

Wheel bearing occured to me when you said plane type noise but in a fairly new car like this, I doubt it.

antodeco

cantdecide wrote: »

Hopefully it's just the brake pads but maybe the handbrake is caught on one side

Wheel bearing occured to me when you said plane type noise but in a fairly new car like this, I doubt it.

It is quite odd overall. It seemed to stem from a long journey. Its not due for service for another 5k miles, and ideally wouldve preferred to be closer to that time to get it done. Meh, get loads of things done at once. Overall it seems that Im now looking at brake pads (going to cost me) a full service (while its in makes sense, going to cost me) plus as per previous thread, the cylinder pressure needs re-doing or the coil is gone (not sure if this is chargeable but Im assuming it would be covered under warranty). Grrr :mad:

mickdw

The rumble can continue like you discribe while not braking as the brake shoes are basically just touching the hub at all times. Hate drum brakes. will be slightly more expensive to replace than disc pads id say although never had anything to do with them myself.

antodeco

mickdw wrote: »

The rumble can continue like you discribe while not braking as the brake shoes are basically just touching the hub at all times. Hate drum brakes. will be slightly more expensive to replace than disc pads id say although never had anything to do with them myself.

The lad in the garage said that the pads have scoured the discs and as a result theyve become "jagged" and thats causing the scraping sound. Made it sound alot worse than it was being honest!

mickdw

If you have drum brakes there are not pads and discs but I know what you mean. They will be fine when you get the new brake shoes on and definitely DONT go buying new hubs because of this scoring as it will smooth out within 10 miles after repair.

Seth Brundle

Wherever you get it done, don't go back there. €250 for a brake pad change even if its on drums is expensive

antodeco

kbannon wrote: »

Wherever you get it done, don't go back there. €250 for a brake pad change even if its on drums is expensive

Thought it was a little pricey, thanks for confirming it!

I wont be going back to the place I got the tyres. Their loss really. Id be replacing all four probably every 6 months, so theyve lost out on over €1000 a year business from me!

Mickdw, thanks for the advice also. Glad to know they will smooth out. Another worry off my mind! Only another 5 to go!

antodeco

Just had a look there, and it seems theres a huge amount of rusted brake dust all over the alloys and rim. Symptom of worn pads or something more terminal?

Seth Brundle

brake dust doesn't rust!

antodeco

kbannon wrote: »

brake dust doesn't rust!

Hmm, so should I be going uh oh at this stage?

Seth Brundle

I have no idea. I can't see it. If you are not sure then get thee to a mechanic*.


* not Advance / fast-fit / etc.

mickdw

probably just loose rust with the metals rubbing together. get new shoes on there fast

Oilrig

Whatever it is, it won't get better itself so you'd be well advised to get it looked at ASAP. If the linings on the brake shoes are worn, then you've metal vs metal contact between them and the drum, leave that long enough and your drums will be scrap as well.

Apart from the fact that your brakes are compromised...

antodeco

Thanks for all the replies!

Its booked in on Friday, so she'l be looked at then! Not driving it until then. Unfortunatley, I had to drive back to Athlone and back to Dublin, so hopefully not too much damage. I wouldve prefered not to, but as needs must...

Edit: Booked it into dealer, so everything can be assessed, plus get its next service out of the way.

antodeco

Right, so its going in on Friday! Do you think its reasonable for Nissan to charge me for extra labour considering its going in for service aswell? They check the pads as part anyway, so its not a major deal for them to have to change the pads.