Quick question about shotguns

ScumLord

Shotguns that say they use shotgun shell magazines like this one do you load the 3 supplied shells and it goes through the 30 bbs then ejects the shell and move onto the next shell or do you put in one shell at a time? Does it eject the shell atall?

tonyj_mc

im nearly 100% sure that its one shell at a time if its TM, but they do fire three shoots each time from 3 seperate barrels

ScumLord

there's this one on ehobby that says it holds 30 shot's per shell but only fires 3 per shot??

Is each shotgun completely different?

tonyj_mc

all the TM ones are the same they have three serperate mechinism, three barrels and such but are spring powered meaning you have to rack the slide each time.
But you have to remove the shell it doesn't eject

Sime of the gas one fire multi shoots, nit 100% how these work

and the cheap one are basically just oversized springer single shot for each rack

SpitfireIV

ScumLord wrote: »

there's this one on ehobby that says it holds 30 shot's per shell but only fires 3 per shot??

Is each shotgun completely different?

Perhaps it hold up to ten shells, 3 bb's per shell?

tonyj_mc

the tm ones hold 30bbs per shell, but fire three per shoot so you get ten shoots of three bbs per shoot

ScumLord

tonyj_mc wrote: »

all the TM ones are the same they have three serperate mechinism, three barrels and such but are spring powered meaning you have to rack the slide each time.

Don't mind that, in fact I'd prefer that.

tonyj_mc

i know what you mean i really want one of the Spas 12s but i really want the folding stock one, ithink they have stopped making them though, been scouring ebay for a real steel version and when i can get one i'll have the Spas12

Ple it fires 3 bb's feels more like a shot gun imho

Spetzcong

I have a TM Spas 12, they're great, it's 30 bbs per shell, and 3 bb's in a shot. You can only load one shell into the shotty at a time, but having extra shells means you can just pop out the empty shell and pop in a new one and start firing again quickly. Decent enough range on them too, although the way the bbs spread out means you can have some unfortunate misses where they all just spread around the target.

Puding

No airsoft shotgun work like you would hope or expect of a shotgun, in fact the m203 bb shower rounds are the best your going to get in replicating the effect of a shotgun.

There are 3 main types of shotgun designs in airsoft;

Spring 3bbs 3 Barrels
First you have TM, this is spring powered, they use a magazine that is in the shape/design of a shotgun cartridge and use 3 barrels, each time you rack the slide you load 3 bbs, 1 in each barrel and then you simple pull the trigger. I think each magazine holds about 30bbs so you get about 10 shots. They are easy to use, reliable and fun.

Spring/Gas 1bb 1 Barrel
Maruzen produce a line of shotguns powered by manly gas but there are some spring models that fire a single bb each time ( Marushin also produce some 8mm shotguns that have been cloned recently and come under the single shot banner). As with the Tm they use a magazine, sometimes shaped as a shell other times its more in line with something you would find in a rifle.

Gas 3bbs per Cartridge
Tanaka in my eyes are the most like the real thing in operation and feel, they are gas operated and use cartridges just like a real shotgun, each cartridge is loaded with gas and fires 3 bbs at a time, you the pump the slide the used cartridge comes out and a fresh one is loaded from the tube same as the real deal.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wzfkeueYcDQ

There metal fell nice and make a really nice sound when you operate the slide ( but you still get the normal pop sound of any airsoft device when you fire thought ), but most of the time there completely impractical, to use in the field you at least need a brass catcher or you will be losing cartridges left right and center.

Airsoft shotguns generally are not very useful there benefits in the real world do not easily translate into the airsoft world, I've only really come across then in cqb environment and then still it is only really used by die hard shotgun fans and the more hardcore milsim.


(with the last 2 types of shotgun there is cross over between the company they will make design in both types of design where as TM are as far as im aware the only company to do the 3 barrel spring design)




tonyj_mc - I was looking for the folding metal stock spas myself and from what i found out they are indeed out of production

Witcher

i have a maruzen m870 and it can take 5 shells i think with up to 5 bb's in

each shell. just fire the shot, pull the foregrip and it ejects the shell, lovely




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although the way the bbs spread out means you can have some unfortunate misses where they all just spread around the target.

or better yet ya can get 2 kills with one shot , god i miss my Benelli.

Witcher

Tanaka in my eyes are the most like the real thing in operation and feel, they are gas operated and use cartridges just like a real shotgun, each cartridge is loaded with gas and fires 3 bbs at a time, you the pump the slide the used cartridge comes out and a fresh one is loaded from the tube same as the real deal.

this is essentially the same as the maruzen, the only difference is you dont

fill the gas directly in the shell:rolleyes:



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Puding

yep, the only reason i used Tanaka as and example was a came across the good example video and also i love the Tanaka M870 Scatter I've had my eye on it for some time :P .

With the maruzen I take it gas is held in the stock? what kind of spread do you get with 5 bbs and effective range?

They share a lot of the same feature you can normal load the shells up with a smaller or greater number of bbs but this will effect fps (something i forgot from the first post )

Witcher

eh i think you have to put the gas directly in to the shell on a tanaka



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Puding

Sorry just edited my post, i did not make it very clear i was trying to ask about your shotgun and its performance :P

Witcher

Puding wrote: »

Sorry just edited my post, i did not make it very clear i was trying to ask about your shotgun and its performance :P

sorry, yeah it takes the gas in a tank that goes into the stock.

iv never actually fired 5 bb's from it but the spread on 3 is fairly tight at

about 20-25 feet but the fps is down on this and any more bb's and the

spread would be all over the place and the fps would be greatly reduced.


but the ejection of the shells is nice and the finish is good on it.

id reccomend it to anyone looking for a good shotgun.


it was €230 from Eirsoft -> http://www.eirsoft.ie/store/product_info.php?cPath=37&products_id=129



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unit88

Is it worth it having a shotgun during a skirmish because of the low rate of fire

tonyj_mc

would shell ejecting not be a pain in the hole at a skirmish? running araound afterwards lloking for them, although it does look pretty sweet

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Is it worth it having a shotgun during a skirmish because of the low rate of fire

Some of them yea, You have to adapt how ya play if your used to using an Aeg though.

Arcto

tonyj_mc wrote: »

would shell ejecting not be a pain in the hole at a skirmish? running araound afterwards lloking for them, although it does look pretty sweet

You can get a shell sock that looks like a black fishnet. Rawr :eek:

Allthough they do look stupid with them on.

tonyj_mc

Arcto wrote: »

You can get a shell sock that looks like a black fishnet. Rawr :eek:

Allthough they do look stupid with them on.

Fishnets for a shot gun, jesus and they say dreams can't cum through

Puding

Your only real option is a brass catcher as the shells cost to much to just leave around and to pick them up in the middle of a game is completely impractical.

Spetzcong

unit88 wrote: »

Is it worth it having a shotgun during a skirmish because of the low rate of fire

I've had great fun with my Spas at HRTA, you don't get as many kills as you would with AEG in all its spray and pray glory, but the kills you do get are really satisfying, plus it's cool and adds a different dimension to playing a game.

I've not taken the Spas out in a while, but I think next time I do I'm going to try using a small automatic weapon, like a MAC11 or an MP5K as a back up with it, something small enough that it's not too much bother to lug around in addition to a big shotty but with a decent rate of fire for those "I wish I had an automatic weapon" moments.

I'd love to use the Spas in a CQB scenario someday, I reckon that's where it would be most effective.

kinkstr

Can shotguns like these be upgraded like an aeg to fire closer to a joule?

ok just saw on ehobby they are upgradeable, so know i just need to know how?

tonyj_mc

check out this thread on arnies, they are upgradable but seems like you need spefic springs etc.
http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/reviewpost/showproduct.php/product/9/sort/2/cat/19/page/2

oh yeah an this one
http://s78.photobucket.com/albums/j100/cqrt/manuals/tm%20spas12%20tech/

kinkstr

Nice one Tony, cheers.

tonyj_mc

go to wgcshop.com and searh for spas they have barrels and springs, all seem out of stock though

Evolute

There already is a topic about shotgun questions.
Not giving out just letting ya know:)
You may need to look for the other one if this one dissapears before tomorrow as it may be locked or merged.

ED E

ScumLord wrote: »

there's this one on ehobby that says it holds 30 shot's per shell but only fires 3 per shot??

Is each shotgun completely different?

Shell = 30bbs
Shotgun = 3 Barells
Shot = 3 bbs
30/3 = 10 shots, then you stick in a new shell manually.

kdouglas

kinkstr wrote: »

Can shotguns like these be upgraded like an aeg to fire closer to a joule?

ok just saw on ehobby they are upgradeable, so know i just need to know how?

merged your thread with this one, may aswell keep all the shotgun questions together

they can be upgraded alright, but from what i've read, it's difficult to get hold of parts and the upgrade itself can be quite difficult, there are some threads on arniesairsoft.co.uk in the projects section of people who have upgraded shotty's


Regarding the different types of shotgun:

I have the ACM Mossberg m500, takes 40-odd 8mm bbs into a loading tube under the barrel and then fires 3 at a time when you pump it, it's gas powered and the gas is loaded into a small reservoir inside the receiver (but it still needs to be pumped for every shot), the stock can be changed quite easily and i have swapped my stock for a pistol grip.

using a shotgun in a game is definitely a different style of play alright, havent had a proper game yet with just the shotty, but the one time i did try it, it was definitely an interesting experience

ScumLord

kdouglas wrote: »

I have the ACM Mossberg m500, takes 40-odd 8mm bbs into a loading tube under the barrel and then fires 3 at a time when you pump it, it's gas powered and the gas is loaded into a small reservoir inside the receiver (but it still needs to be pumped for every shot), the stock can be changed quite easily and i have swapped my stock for a pistol grip.

Ya must be psychic, I was just about to ask about the stock being interchangeable. The M500 is the chrome gun on eirsoft? I didnt realise it fired 3 8mm bbs though I thought it was just one at a time.

Cheers Puding, that's what I needed to know.

I like the idea of the shell ejecting one but it probably wouldn't be practical. Overall I like the look of the Bellini's more than any other. decision, decisions, decision.

tonyj_mc

kdouglas wrote: »

I have the ACM Mossberg m500, takes 40-odd 8mm bbs into a loading tube under the barrel and then fires 3 at a time when you pump it, it's gas powered and the gas is loaded into a small reservoir inside the receiver (but it still needs to be pumped for every shot), the stock can be changed quite easily and i have swapped my stock for a pistol grip.

didn't realise the acm fired three at time, like that, what kinda power does it shoot at ?

8mm bbs though diffrent type of rounds is there any plans to release a 6mm version?

also how close is it to REal Steel, found some great stocks on ebay- so much so i want one now

kdouglas

it's right on 1Joule with propane, which is about 210fps with .45g 8mm bbs, range wasnt great last time i tried it, but i just realised the other day that it actually has an adjustable hopup, you just need to undo two grub screws to get at it, so that should improve it a lot

Stercus Accidit

kdouglas wrote: »

it's right on 1Joule with propane, which is about 210fps with .45g 8mm bbs, range wasnt great last time i tried it, but i just realised the other day that it actually has an adjustable hopup, you just need to undo two grub screws to get at it, so that should improve it a lot

I have had some trouble with this, is it 3 bbs, at 1 joule each?

Or 3bbs, with a combined energy of 1 joule????
:eek::eek::eek: sorry, this has been plaguing me.

kdouglas

its 3 bbs at 1 joule each, but that doesnt mean your firing at 3 joules, its still one joule

similar to if you have an aeg and let off a short burst of 3 bbs, its 3 seperate projectiles

Stercus Accidit

kdouglas wrote: »

its 3 bbs at 1 joule each, but that doesnt mean your firing at 3 joules, its still one joule

similar to if you have an aeg and let off a short burst of 3 bbs, its 3 seperate projectiles

My worry is if you load say, 46 bbs instead of 48, you get the last pump and you know what I mean, does it have a mech to stop that?

silver haze

i also got the Mossberg of eirsoft and can honestly say that its worth every penny. dont let the 8mil put you off, they are monsters but id be more inclined to buy another 8mil gun now after using it.

havnt used her in a skirmish but the do hurt, so much so that if its fired at a target at close range one of the 3 bbs will frequently shatter as the 3 are comming out the one barrel.

Cons:
the finish on the receiver isnt brillaint but definitely not the worst iv seen, not by a mile and the tollerences arent exteremely high but same is to be expected on most airsoft guns to be honest.
pics of the finnish did put me off until i read some good reviews.

the ghost-ring sights are gammy but do work well, it will group about a 1 foot at 20-25 yards.

stock has a hollow knock, could be remmedied with expanding foam,

Pros:
heavy,
solid,
full metal,
good sound of the action, not quite real steel, but unless you used one, you wouldnt know the difference.
8mil.
as accurate as youll need.
€170 delivered with 3000 bbs.


douglas where did you get the pistol grip, ehobby? does it fit snugly?

i can definitely recommend this for any one looking for a budget shot-gun, well worth the money

tonyj_mc

silver haze wrote: »

i also got the Mossberg of eirsoft and can honestly say that its worth every penny. dont let the 8mil put you off, they are monsters but id be more inclined to buy another 8mil gun now after using it.

havnt used her in a skirmish but the do hurt, so much so that if its fired at a target at close range one of the 3 bbs will frequently shatter as the 3 are comming out the one barrel.

Cons:
the finish on the receiver isnt brillaint but definitely not the worst iv seen, not by a mile and the tollerences arent exteremely high but same is to be expected on most airsoft guns to be honest.
pics of the finnish did put me off until i read some good reviews.

the ghost-ring sights are gammy but do work well, it will group about a 1 foot at 20-25 yards.

stock has a hollow knock, could be remmedied with expanding foam,

Pros:
heavy,
solid,
full metal,
good sound of the action, not quite real steel, but unless you used one, you wouldnt know the difference.
8mil.
as accurate as youll need.
€170 delivered with 3000 bbs.


douglas where did you get the pistol grip, ehobby? does it fit snugly?

i can definitely recommend this for any one looking for a budget shot-gun, well worth the money

damnit i hate you all, ebay have a great selction of stocks m4 types, fold over, pistol and all the other bits you'll ever need. Only prob a lot of them only deliver to US, unless you know someone going over the next couple of months

kdouglas

Motosam wrote: »

My worry is if you load say, 46 bbs instead of 48, you get the last pump and you know what I mean, does it have a mech to stop that?

yea, but itll still fire off the last one or two, whatever is left


regarding the finish etc... i think it's pretty decent, the chrome isnt as off-putting as i thought it would be

the pistol grip fits reasonably well, there is a tiny gap at the top of the grip where it meets the underside of the receiver but its barely noticeable, scope posted a pick of his one (painted black and OD) in the photos thread.

there are a few different types of grip and stock on ebay, but very few will ship outside the US, wouldnt mind the folding stock myself, but could only find retailers to ship pistol grips outside the US

kinkstr

Yea i like that mossberg, even if ya do look like your loading a musket when your out of ammo.
That m3 shorty works out to 142 euros delivered. Shame about the hassle involved in fitting a new spring.

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If your talking about the Tm m3 believe me it doesn't need a new spring and is perfect in stock form. it outranges a lot of stock TM Aeg's.
1 thing i would say is it does feel a little more toyish once you have handled an m500. But its a great performer none the less.

Stercus Accidit

kdouglas wrote: »

yea, but itll still fire off the last one or two, whatever is left

So in that case, is enough gas to power three bbs to 1 joule each being used on 1 or two bbs?

Could this result in a plus 1 joule projectile in a scirmish as the last shot.
This is why im worried slightly by the single barrel.

kinkstr

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If your talking about the Tm m3 believe me it doesn't need a new spring and is perfect in stock form. it outranges a lot of stock TM Aeg's.
1 thing i would say is it does feel a little more toyish once you have handled an m500. But its a great performer none the less.

Yea thats the one i meant
http://cgi.ebay.com/Marui-Benelli-M3-SHORTY-SUPER-90-Airsoft-Pump-Shotgun_W0QQitemZ270194672444QQihZ017QQcategoryZ31686QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
Ehobby has its power down as 265fps, doesnt seem like much to me.

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Yea it doesn't sound like much alright but the hop up's are good and it has great range for a shotgun [110+ feet effectively]. its probably around 280fps. If ya upgraded the springs you would lose what little spread the gun has.

kdouglas

from what i know, the upgrade springs that are available are .9Joule, so at most you'll get 300fps out of that, is it really worth such a messy upgrade for an extra 20fps?

i've always heard the tm shotguns have great range despite their comparatively lower fps