TERMINAL 2? When will DAA learn from Ryanair?

veryangryman

Why did they bother with a 2nd terminal at an airport that's land can barely support it with no room for further expansion?

Surely Mullingar (or anywhere else in the midlands) as suggested once by O Leary, would be an ideal spot for a new airport. Before im laughed off, think of the positives for travellers....

Cheaper running costs so money saved.
In the case of Mullingar, a motorway gets you to Dublin in an hour, and people travel like this to Paris/Barcelona etc via even farther away airports with bus connections.
Much needed boost for the midlands region which has no airport with a 60 mile radius and will spread the workforce around better than the current chokepipe that is our nations capital.
Plus, obviously its central and servers as a halfway house for people to meet at

If they can have an airport at Knock, then why not the midlands? Instead, DAA increase their charges (by 100% in the case of parking) and offer us this claptrap. When will people learn that, although the capital city, there is only so much room to clog it up with and no amount of Luas/Metro/M50 will bring a proper solution to congestion. Development (properly managed mind..) of our other towns and cities will do much more to solve it.

FlutterinBantam

Two words:

1.. Vested.

2.. Interests.

veryangryman

Has got to be yeah.

Common Sense never comes into the equation with that stupid company. Its sad really - will cost the country so much more than necessary

peter1892

If building an airport somewhere like Mullingar was such a good idea then surely someone would have built it by now.

In the case of Mullingar, a motorway gets you to Dublin in an hour, and people travel like this to Paris/Barcelona etc via even farther away airports with bus connections.

Ever flown into Beauvais? It's not exactly convenient, yes there's a bus service from Paris but there's no other easy way of getting out there. At least with CDG there's the option of taking the RER. And it makes the temporary portakabin in DUB look postively first class...

Much needed boost for the midlands region which has no airport with a 60 mile radius

I'm guessing that Mullingar is within 60 miles of Dublin. Depends how you define 'the midlands' but Longford would be within 60 miles of Knock, Athlone within 60 miles of Galway, etc.

Plus, obviously its central and servers as a halfway house for people to meet at

Geographically central? Maybe. But the centre of this country's road & rail network is Dublin.

When will people learn that, although the capital city, there is only so much room to clog it up with and no amount of Luas/Metro/M50 will bring a proper solution to congestion.

That congestion has little to do with Dublin airport. Travel along the M50 northbound at rush hour & notice how quickly the traffic moves after J4 (Finglas). M50 congestion is caused by people who live in & around the M50 trying to get across or around the city. A proper solution would be integrated public transport that runs on time & is cheap. Something to entice the likes of me to leave the car at home.

WexCan

Isn't O'Leary a Mullingar man?

Can see it now - Dublin (West) Michael O'Leary International Airport.

Aidan Disney

I have a bad picture of this in my head I really do hope O'Leary isnt on these Boards

WexCan

He keeps an eye on PPRuNe apparently, will go suggest over there

Aidan Disney

Really, will have to keep an eye out :cool:

Oilrig

Wexcan... he goes by the moniker Leo Hairy Camel

ednwireland

well having just flown back from liverpool which i assume is what mol thinks is a terminal i cant say i'm impressed the main terminal has nowhere to sit you struggle to find the departure boards and when you get to the gate theres nowhere to sit, you have to stand in a portakabin for 30 mins. it may work for ryanair profit margins but nobody in the queue was impressed.

Húrin

The Government shouldn't be wasting any more money on airports when class sizes are as big as they are. They already subsidise aviation by €1.9 billion a year.

cp251

There is no relationship between class sizes and airports, Hurin.:rolleyes:

Dublin airport is far from it's capacity. It can stand having 11/29 extended and a couple of more terminals. What it really needs is a decent light rail service to the city. No point in building white elephants in place nobody wants to go. The reason Ryanair uses airports out of the way is

A. Because they are cheaper for Ryanair.
B. Because they are there already, usually ex military bases. In case anyone hasn't noticed there isn't exactly a large number of ex military bases scattered around the Irish countryside.

Of course the DAA are going to make a shambles of it. But they will be dammed if they are going to let MOL get a nice little terminal all of his own on their territory. :eek:

Oilrig

As I see it, it would make perfect sense to give FR their own terminal, designed for them, on their conditions etc. As a big DAA "customer" Why Not? FFS!

We won't move on until DAA is run as an economic entity rather than political patronage.

Hopefully with the forthcoming demise of Bertie we will finally put the past behind us...

Run_to_da_hills

They sort of did it with Schiphol in the Netherlands. Just create one mother Airport with several terminals in the centre of Ireland to do the whole country with express rail and motorways leading in from limerick, Dublin, Galway and Cork. They could then shut down some of the smaller airports and convert them into a much needed theme parks.

ImDave

I echo the above posts that quality infrastructure to/from EIDW should be a priority. There are very few international airports as busy as Dublin that you arrive into and find your only means of transportation to anywhere is bus or taxi. Its a disgrace. If anyone has ever flowen into EBBR / Brussels National Airport, now that is the way to do things.

Oilrig

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

They sort of did it with Schiphol in the Netherlands.

My favorite hub.

... apart from yer baggage going AWOL...:rolleyes:

Steyr

WexCan wrote: »

He keeps an eye on PPRuNe apparently, will go suggest over there

Ever watching what his men post eh:pac:

Deacon Blues

Why build a new airport in Mullingar ???

MOL should do what he does everywhere else. Move all his routes out of Dublin to Shannon, and call it Dublin South.

Dublin is one of the exceptions on the Ryanair routes, where they fly into a major airport close to a city. Shannon, sorry, Dublin South would be much more in keeping with their normal ops.

Bob the Builder

ybh, this should have all been seen before the revenue went down in ireland. infrastructure should have been a priority.

Knock, back in the day, was a dingy little sh:thole which would never ever be used. It cost 3 million punt to build, money which "could have been used better", now it's a lifeline to connaught and extremely required. government have defo made their money back from tourism taxes. I don't know what ti would cost to build now, buit it wouldn't be anything less than 3million.

My point is that it's coming 10 years too late at least. 10years ago everyone had predicted that dublin and cork would need a new terminal, but we waited until inflation shot through the roof before we did anything about it.

MOL wants Mullingar, because it's out of dublin, cheaper for him and indeed cheaper to build. It suits him to say that. I think the government should just give him the money to build the new airport, I know he would be woefully biased towards himself and his company, but he can't do as bad a job on it as DAA could do(and DAA have been known for this.)

~NevF
/rant

Mailman

I actually think an airport in the Midlands wouldn't be a bad idea but not in Mullingar. Somewhere closer to the M6 motorway near the Kilbeggan or Tyrellspass junctions would make more sense as it wouldn't be as dependent on Dublin traffic to sustain it. The N52 bypass will be opened soon so that gives access to all the larger towns around Tullamore including Portlaoise while still being very close to Mullingar, Athlone and Kinnegad.
A real clever fellow could probably squeeze cash out of the government on the back of the spatialisation project too.
The routes is the only part of the plan I can't make work. LHR as a hub is obvious but LHR slots are like gold dust.

pclancy

I remember great huff in the Leinster Express when the Laois County Council were "actively" looking into trying to build a regional airport nearby...nothing ever seemed to come of it and it was generally laughed at by most people. Portlaoise adds number of attractions to four, prisons x2, mental health facility and now airport....wow things are looking up

veryangryman

peter1892 wrote: »

That congestion has little to do with Dublin airport. Travel along the M50 northbound at rush hour & notice how quickly the traffic moves after J4 (Finglas). M50 congestion is caused by people who live in & around the M50 trying to get across or around the city. A proper solution would be integrated public transport that runs on time & is cheap. Something to entice the likes of me to leave the car at home.

People might be tempted to move, live,work etc to these other towns in the midlands if they had airports/proper roads etc. This would ease the pressure on Dublin.

I didnt mean that the airport itself is busy - i just meant that it seems as if you need to go through Dublin to do anything. Very frustrating that the west of Ireland has 3 airports - Sligo, Knock and Galway, yet the midlands has none. Should follow what the UK do with plenty of midland airports IMO

peter1892

veryangryman wrote: »

I didnt mean that the airport itself is busy - i just meant that it seems as if you need to go through Dublin to do anything. Very frustrating that the west of Ireland has 3 airports - Sligo, Knock and Galway, yet the midlands has none. Should follow what the UK do with plenty of midland airports IMO

We've got 4 million people in this country, 6 million on the island as whole. About a tenth of the UK's population. The population here doesn't justify opening airports in places where they simply aren't needed.

jmayo

veryangryman wrote: »

People might be tempted to move, live,work etc to these other towns in the midlands if they had airports/proper roads etc. This would ease the pressure on Dublin.

I didnt mean that the airport itself is busy - i just meant that it seems as if you need to go through Dublin to do anything. Very frustrating that the west of Ireland has 3 airports - Sligo, Knock and Galway, yet the midlands has none. Should follow what the UK do with plenty of midland airports IMO

BTW you do have Abbeyshrule

Is this thread about relieving the mess that is Dublin airport and making it easier for paseengers to access an international airport or is it the old chestnut of they have one so we want one ?
We have the same thing where ITs (RTCs as the older generation called them before we got posh) want to become universities because other towns/cities have them.
Apart from one decent road exiting towards Dublin, what else has Mullingar got ?
Oh I forgot the rail link Sligo to Dublin :rolleyes:
I think you suffer from delusions of granduer if you are comparing the Irish Midlands to the UK Midlands

On an aside, I suppose DAA wil hire the same bunch responsible for T5 cockup in LHR when eventually they are unveiling their new terminal

peter1892

jmayo wrote: »

BTW you do have Abbeyshrule

Is this thread about relieving the mess that is Dublin airport and making it easier for paseengers to access an international airport or is it the old chestnut of they have one so we want one ?

Well going 'on-topic' as it were, what can DAA learn from Ryanair about running an airport? Well Ryanair don't run airports, they do run a low cost, no frills model airline that's hugely successful. But speaking from experience (and I've flown with them for over 10 years) Ryanair's customer care has never been their strong point & only seem to be getting worse. And to be honest, I've found the other airlines just as competitive on prices recently.

Do they run an efficient, profitable company? Apparently so, but a lot of costs are cut out & while that might work for a point to point airline the same appraoch may not necessarily work for a terminal building or airfield.

A friend of mine told me of a recent discussion on one of the radio stations where a caller lambasted the state of our education system & claimed that we needed a 'Michael O'Leary to sort it out'. So we'd have schools with 25 minute long classes & 30 second turnarounds between each of them And while you may sign up to a school in Swords you'd actually be in a building in Dundalk...

jmayo wrote: »

On an aside, I suppose DAA wil hire the same bunch responsible for T5 cockup in LHR when eventually they are unveiling their new terminal

Well, I'd hope that they would at least look upon the mess that is T5 as a cautionary tale & a good example of how not to do it. Right now I wish they'd organise the short term car park (or at least fix the signage for getting in & out of it!).

DublinWriter

Baldonnell should be open for commercial flights instead of being used as a private airport for the government.

It's in an ideal location and the Luas could be easily hooked up to it.

Alfasud

There are already 2 applications lodged with An Bord Pleanala for airports at Tubber Co. Offaly and another at Portarlington

Schuhart

veryangryman wrote: »

Why did they bother with a 2nd terminal at an airport that's land can barely support it with no room for further expansion?

Dublin Airport has adequate land for expansion. Its one of the few examples of advance planning in the history of the State.

The more apt question is why we waited until its nearly too late to develop Dublin's potential.

veryangryman wrote: »

Surely Mullingar (or anywhere else in the midlands) as suggested once by O Leary, would be an ideal spot for a new airport.

Is this not a false premise? I mean, last year he said

I will go back to the Bristol example. It is a city of 10 million and has one airport. Ireland is a country of 4 million people and should have only one airport.

And, incidently, he was quite clear that he meant Dublin as that one airport.

He has also specifically rejected the idea of a Midlands Airport. He said that it would

never happen as the economic catchment area simply isn’t big enough, and people from the midlands should become used to the fact that they will have to use other airports such as Dublin and Shannon.

So Michael O'Leary seems to say exactly the opposite of what you claim he says.

veryangryman wrote: »

If they can have an airport at Knock, then why not the midlands?

Well, as Micheal O'Leary actually said, we don't need all those airports down the West either.

veryangryman wrote: »

When will people learn that, although the capital city, there is only so much room to clog it up with and no amount of Luas/Metro/M50 will bring a proper solution to congestion. Development (properly managed mind..) of our other towns and cities will do much more to solve it.

Its more a case of when will people learn that every small town cannot be a centre for development, and that Dublin is a relatively small city.

The 'congestion' shibboleth is perfectly solvable if the infrastructure, long denied to the city, is simply put in place. So, no, you could almost reverse your thought completely to reflect the reality of our situation.

LiamD

Deacon Blues wrote: »

Why build a new airport in Mullingar ???

MOL should do what he does everywhere else. Move all his routes out of Dublin to Shannon, and call it Dublin South.

Dublin is one of the exceptions on the Ryanair routes, where they fly into a major airport close to a city. Shannon, sorry, Dublin South would be much more in keeping with their normal ops.

I think you're exaggerating, but it reminded me of this funny Ryanair mishap

mental07

There is actually an hourly train to Beauvais from Gare du Nord in Paris..takes about an hour 15 minutes. You do have to get a cab/shuttle bus from the centre of Beauvais to the airport afterwards though. It's not highly convenient, but it is an alternative to the Ryanair bus! You'd be surprised how many people do it actually!

I think a midlands airport would be great

Slice

ImDave wrote: »

I echo the above posts that quality infrastructure to/from EIDW should be a priority. There are very few international airports as busy as Dublin that you arrive into and find your only means of transportation to anywhere is bus or taxi. Its a disgrace. If anyone has ever flowen into EBBR / Brussels National Airport, now that is the way to do things.

What's with this bus snobbery? The Aircoach and the Dublin Bus 747 service will have you in town in no more than 20 minutes. Of the airports I've used only the Heathrow Express can do better.

Personally I'm against more than one airport for Dublin and the one we have now is fine where it is.

ihatewallies

veryangryman wrote: »

Why did they bother with a 2nd terminal at an airport that's land can barely support it with no room for further expansion?

Surely Mullingar (or anywhere else in the midlands) as suggested once by O Leary, would be an ideal spot for a new airport. Before im laughed off, think of the positives for travellers....

Cheaper running costs so money saved.
In the case of Mullingar, a motorway gets you to Dublin in an hour, and people travel like this to Paris/Barcelona etc via even farther away airports with bus connections.
Much needed boost for the midlands region which has no airport with a 60 mile radius and will spread the workforce around better than the current chokepipe that is our nations capital.
Plus, obviously its central and servers as a halfway house for people to meet at

If they can have an airport at Knock, then why not the midlands? Instead, DAA increase their charges (by 100% in the case of parking) and offer us this claptrap. When will people learn that, although the capital city, there is only so much room to clog it up with and no amount of Luas/Metro/M50 will bring a proper solution to congestion. Development (properly managed mind..) of our other towns and cities will do much more to solve it.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ho ho ho hohohohohohohohohohohoh hah!

every single point is nonsense.

Bluetonic

Whats with all the replies to posts over a year old? Let it die lads, let it die.

Owen

Thread locked. Grow up please, this is not After Hours. I'm getting sick and tired of handing out tempoary bans ... the next person who posts this type of nonsense here is getting a permaban.