legal mp3 download site? how to?

gnomer

I want to have a legal MP3 download site.

Im just wondering,How do I pay the fees on MP3's?
can I buy an mp3 transfer it to my server,sell it and then delete it and buy another and upload this(I dont listen to them)?

Anyway of doing this?thanks

mneylon

Could you clarify what you are trying to do?

Do you want to sell other people's licensed MP3s? ie. sell the latest top 10 singles ?

gnomer

hey blacknight, I bought lots of domains from you!

I want to sell Mp3's legally

so who would I pay to,etc

Could I buy mp3's from amazon,put them on my server,sell them there,delete them off my server and buy them off amazon again?
I wouldnt be listening to them and I wouldnt be selling the same file more than once.

gnomer

and yes, sell other peoples licensed Mp3's

mneylon

gnomer wrote: »

hey blacknight, I bought lots of domains from you!

Good Keep doing that!

gnomer wrote: »

I want to sell Mp3's legally

so who would I pay to,etc

Could I buy mp3's from amazon,put them on my server,sell them there,delete them off my server and buy them off amazon again?
I wouldnt be listening to them and I wouldnt be selling the same file more than once.

Short answer - you can't do that.

Longer answer:

You could either talk to the music companies directly or find an existing vendor that offers an affiliate / white label solution

Bob the Builder

Technically it's illegal, you are reselling music which was sold to you for your personal use. Also, when you copy music onto another's computer, they have either stolen the music or, in your case, you have stolen the music companies music by relicensing it.

Not having a correct license is also dodgy business. When your the middle-man, you are swinging yourself for complaints from both the seller and the buyer of the music.

If I was you, I'd contact the IRMA(.ie) for more relevant information, and they will advise you as to who to contact. If I was you, I wouldn't do this regardless of what the laws were.

gnomer

Ok I might go for affiliate.

I dont want to disclose my full idea,but it works like this.

I person who wants the MP3 does not pay anything, I pay for the MP3's.

So what I was thinking is,To somehow transfer the amount to there amazon account(or some other provider) and let them buy it.

is this possible?

Also (personal question) would you use a service like this? thanks!

Also,without disclosing my idea,getting the amount does not require anytime or effort,just find the mp3,get the amount transferred and download

Goodshape

Free MP3's?

Depends what the catch is.

gnomer

The catch is you gota download them from Amazon but I'm paying.

You dont gotta fill out surveys or anything,Just search for the mp3 on my site and buy it off amazon.

kjt

gnomer wrote: »

Ok I might go for affiliate.

I dont want to disclose my full idea,but it works like this.

I person who wants the MP3 does not pay anything, I pay for the MP3's.

So what I was thinking is,To somehow transfer the amount to there amazon account(or some other provider) and let them buy it.

is this possible?

Also (personal question) would you use a service like this? thanks!

Also,without disclosing my idea,getting the amount does not require anytime or effort,just find the mp3,get the amount transferred and download

So if I go to your website/s and want the top 30 singles, your going to pay for them all?

What do you get from it?


EDIT: Just saw your post.
It sounds like it could get very messy very fast.


So if I go to your site, do I pay you.... or are they completely free to the end-user?

gnomer

kjt wrote: »

So if I go to your website/s and want the top 30 singles, your going to pay for them all?

What do you get from it?

I do make money but Im not saying how until ive finished my site

Yes you can goto my site download as many song as you want and im paying

gnomer

kjt wrote: »

So if I go to your website/s and want the top 30 singles, your going to pay for them all?

What do you get from it?


EDIT: Just saw your post.
It sounds like it could get very messy very fast.


So if I go to your site, do I pay you.... or are they completely free to the end-user?

Never costs you anything EVER.100% free no doing anything.

thegloriousend

So we get free music from you legally?

gnomer

yup thats exactly it free music legally.
no installing dodgy software or anything like that.

we dont sell email addresses nor do we even ask for them.

you dont gotta fill out surveys for them or wait a loada time.

there ISNT a catch

anyway were going off topic,Would you use our site? thats all we want to know

thanks!

thegloriousend

Obviously the whole world would use the site. I can't see how its possible though and surely you would want a monthly fee or something. I think some russian sites opperate like that

The_Conductor

gnomer wrote: »

there ISNT a catch

There always is a catch. If you are to legally pay for the music- you need a revenue stream capable of supporting this outgoing. While you say its as simple as visiting your site and downloading the top 30- call me suspicious, but I very much doubt that its that straight forward.

gnomer

I dont want to reveal how I make my money till its up,tooo many people will copy it.

Id say this has been thought of,but if you dont get enough users you can loose loads.

Also is there a way to tell if a site is really selling legal mp3s?

I might use these http://legalsounds.com

yawn

i'd imagine after so many people continue to visit and revisit your site, advertisements would pay for it etc. you'd sell advertising space to companies?

But with a lot of people visiting your site, you'd need to be able to cope with the bandwidth.

gnomer

Im sorry if I sound dodgy,I just dont want 1000 sites copying my idea.

But it is as easy as it sounds im not scaming you.
You probably heard people promising free legal mp3s,But I actually are giving them free.

There is a risk with this if I dont get enough users im SCREWED!:(

gnomer

yawn wrote: »

But with a lot of people visiting your site, you'd need to be able to cope with the bandwidth.

I can cope,I own my own hosting business

If I do need to get more bandwidth I could use the money I am already making to buy hosting which includes more bandwidth

gnomer

Also quick question.

Can you send money via amazon? what is the best method of doing this? thanks!

bandit197

Count me in. Ill visit your site for free mp3s as I sure thousands others will. Ill be interested to see how it works.
Will you be making full albums available for download?
I know this is off topic

gnomer

bandit197 wrote: »

Count me in. Ill visit your site for free mp3s as I sure thousands others will. Ill be interested to see how it works.

Well thats a relief.

thegloriousend

I'll give you a euro if you get this up and running

PogMoThoin

Whats the catch?

I'm gettin my music 4 free as it is , would like to be legal, so this better be good or i'm stayin as i am.

Bob the Builder

PogMoThoin wrote: »

I'm gettin my music 4 free as it is , would like to be legal, so this better be good or i'm stayin as i am.

Lemme' guess, all the big artists are sending you legal versions of their music or something?

I'd use the site, but I dont see how it works....
...maybe, your trying to deceive us?:eek:

AARRRGH

I wish the OP all the success in the world, but somehow I can't see this working...

Boggles

Is it unlimited free downloads?

Winters

You do realise that you will need licening agreements with all the major record labels in order to sell their music, or stream their music or even host their music on your site? I know last.fm (www.last.fm) are constantly having to get licences in order to broadcast/stream songs to users.

Also, when you say "download them from Amazon" it makes no sense. Are amazon going to be hosting the files amd are you just hot linking them to end users? I dont think Amazon would take kindly to another site hot linking these files. But even-more-so only Amazon US do full track music downloads, and they are kept iirc, quite secure to prevent any sort of hot linking. Amazon UK only offer 30 second previews of selected tracks.

You seem to imply that people request a song on your site, and you go off and *buy* the song yourself and either hotlink it or stream if from your own servers. Which would be illegal. It breaks copyright and broadcast laws.

I cant see you being able to do this legally and make money out of it without charging end users. And nobody wants a site that is half adverts. And even at that it takes a *lot* of time, effort and money to get proper licens to stream or download music as you seem to want to do.

gnomer

Winters wrote: »

You do realise that you will need licening agreements with all the major record labels in order to sell their music

Im not selling the music,I'm going to provide the user with money to buy from itunes or somewhere.

Its only being discussed among us but we'd say 1-2 months if we decide to launch this site it'll be up fully by then

I was looking at amazon,As you can buy music as a gift for somebody(they get download link in there email) but looks like amazon music is only leal in America.

Right now were looking at our options,but we cant believe the interest were getting

Winters

So, effectivly your trying to setup a site where the user can get free money which they use to buy songs?

gnomer

Winters wrote: »

And nobody wants a site that is half adverts.

who said anything about adverts? Yes this is one way of getting our funds but its not the main.

The end-user doesnt pay or install anything,the ony dealing we have with our users will be they signup and we pay them so they can buy mp3s

gnomer

Winters wrote: »

So, effectivly your trying to setup a site where the user can get free money which they use to buy songs?

Yes,technically thats correct.
But the money goes into there itunes account or whatever provider we decide to use

Winters

So. Your web site idea revolves around giving people money to buy songs and all they have to do is visit your site and not provide any personal information, no need to click on an advert, no need to sign up for a paid subscription and no advertising/spyware software?

It sounds awfully flawed. If you could find a way to give out free mp3s from itunes for etc. then you would need to expect many thousands of visitors instantly, I hope you have deep pockets and a money tree. How do you plan to get this money *to* the end users so they can purchase these songs?

gnomer

Winters wrote: »

How do you plan to get this money *to* the end users so they can purchase these songs?

Yeah im not going to give away my idea.

My idea came about when I saw how cheap mp3s actually were.

from itunes 99c(dollar cent) is fairly cheap,easy make that back from each user.

I dont want to say anymore cos I dont want anyone copying my idea until its done

when its up tho ill tell everyone every last thing about it.

Ro: maaan!

Edge of my seat here lads.

Winters

gnomer wrote: »

Yeah im not going to give away my idea.

My idea came about when I saw how cheap mp3s actually were.

from itunes 99c(dollar cent) is fairly cheap,easy make that back from each user.

I dont want to say anymore cos I dont want anyone copying my idea until its done

when its up tho ill tell everyone every last thing about it.

If you can actually make any sort of money or headway with this I will actually swallow DeVores glorious man juice.

First of all, why are you talking Dollar cent? iTunes is also in Europe, I shall grant it is more expensive at €1.29 a song (am I right?). I am unsure as to weather you can purchase songs from Ireland through the US iTunes store, I think you have to use the UK/Ireland store.

The method you suggest, for example "donating" money into the users iTunes account limits users to having to *have* an iTunes account. I think you need a Credit Card or something to set one up fully in order to be able to buy songs, or does it work in a different manner? But furthermore not all of us have iTunes installed or even want to have it. People wont want to be limited to just a single store they may not want to use. You will be battlign against people who can go to sites like Pirate Bay and just get it easier for free too without having to obtain any sort of accoutn at a particular store.

Advert revenure would in no way cover the volume of traffic you would have of people trying to obtain free music. At most you would get 1c a click from adverts on your site. And majority of people wouldnt really click on adverts.

I hate to break your bubble but I dont think free mp3s that are legal is in any way viable or even possibly to do. Music has been on the internet for many years, iTunes has been about now for a couple. If there was a way to get free and legal music Im sure somebody would have done it by now.

AARRRGH

Also, the reason iTunes can sell the MP3's for 99c is because Apple is HUGE, sells a HUGE amount of MP3's, has a HUGE amount of lawyers, and (no more huges) have been in bed with the Movie/Music business for a long time.

gnomer

dublindude wrote: »

Also, the reason iTunes can sell the MP3's for 99c is because Apple is HUGE, sells a HUGE amount of MP3's, has a HUGE amount of lawyers, and (no more huges) have been in bed with the Movie/Music business for a long time.

You do not get me.

you ARE buying songs from itunes with my money.

gnomer

Winters wrote: »

The method you suggest, for example "donating" money into the users iTunes account limits users to having to *have* an iTunes account

itunes is only an example.

But it will be like that,yes they will have to have an account with us and another site

but isnt it better than gong off to piratebay and putting yourself at risk for alot of money,or better to use two accounts and pay nothing?

Boggles

gnomer wrote: »

itunes is only an example.

But it will be like that,yes they will have to have an account with us and another site

but isnt it better than gong off to piratebay and putting yourself at risk for alot of money,or better to use two accounts and pay nothing?

Not really no, not been smart by the way.

I hope it works for you, and make a million, just don't tell us losers or we will steal it.

Winters

gnomer wrote: »

you ARE buying songs from itunes with my money.

Do you really gather just how insane that sounds? You are pretty much giving people money to buy songs at their will. No website will ever gather enough revenue to cover those sorts of costs. Yes, songs from iTunes, Amazon etc. are cheap HOWEVER remember here in Europe and Ireland you do not have all the same choices, you have iTunes and.. do Eircom still offer a basic service?

gnomer wrote: »

But it will be like that,yes they will have to have an account with us and another site

What sort of information will you be gathering from users and selling onto third parties when they sign up? Im sorry just there is no way you can make money to support the sort of costs that would be incurred for a site that offers "free legal music downloads".

gnomer wrote: »

but isnt it better than gong off to piratebay and putting yourself at risk for alot of money,or better to use two accounts and pay nothing?

I don't know, your problem is that you cannot offer instant downloads. If someone goes to torrent sites they can have an album for free in 30 minutes. Your system relies on having to manually transfer money to someones [music download service] account. However do remember no service allows donations like that yet so.. yea. What.

Seriously dude. I'm not trying to burst a bubble but unless you have some sort of secret money tree something like this is not financially viable. You would be flooded with people around the world trying to get to the site etc.

The idea of it is fantastic, free legal downloads to combat against illegal music downloads but somebody has to pay the cost for legal music and if its not the users then it goes back to you yourself. It would be near impossible to generate enough ad income to support it through adverts on the site. You just don't get that sort of money. The pirate bay is reported to make 10k a month from advert clicks, they get 2 million a month page views and growing constantly (this is just an example to show that you cannot generate enough revenue from ad clicks to cover the cost of users who will each want hundreds of songs a week for free at your expense)

The_Conductor

I have a suggestion- if you have money and want people to visit your website (for whatever reason) why go to all the trouble of buying songs for them on other people's websites- why not simply give them the money and let them go and do whatever they want with it? Money is enough of an incentive for most people- I know I could certainly do with it. I have CDs of most of the music I like to listen to- and can clearly tell the difference between a 128/256kbps encoded MP3 and FLAC (which is the only mobile format I will listen to). If you started giving away classic CDs- I'd be interested, but just give me the cash and let me do whatever I want myself with it?

gnomer

"I'd be interested, but just give me the cash and let me do whatever I want myself with it?"

There are plenty of sites that do just that.

Also free music is better for teenagers etc cos if they used my site they would have a few pennys in there paypal with nothing to buy with it,probably only mp3s.

Winters

gnomer wrote: »

"I'd be interested, but just give me the cash and let me do whatever I want myself with it?"

There are plenty of sites that do just that.

Wait. Are you trying to tell me there are websites that *GIVE* you money, no questions asked, for just visiting them?

Have you ever given the talking panda popup your credit card or helped a Nigerian Prince move his priceless stones out of the country for a nominal price?

gnomer wrote: »

Also free music is better for teenagers etc cos if they used my site they would have a few pennys in there paypal with nothing to buy with it,probably only mp3s.

Why would teenagers have Paypal? Paypal is not a bank that you can send money to and from in the way you are thinking. The idea behind paypal is that its the middle man for business e-commerce solutions making it easy for them to accecpt credit card payments. It can take days for paypal to approve your bank account allowing you to accept money/payments from credit cards.

As I said before your idea is in direct competition to instant music from illegal sites. Nobody wants to have to wait a week or more for Paypal to verify their bank account so you can lodge your 99c into it for their free song only to discover that its useless to a teenager as they do not have credit cards to purchase songs from iTunes etc.

And provide some examples of where teenagers would prefer free music (which they can all ready obtain) over say, some money which they can use on their latest craze like Pog's and what not. When I was a teenager and I was being offered free money, music would not be the first thing on my mind. Particularly when I can have an album downloaded in an hour instantly.

Maybe offer them beer? Kids near my local off-licence are always asking me to get it for them?

Peanut

I guess the plan involves different formats of advertising, and possibly data mining of the userbase etc. Making the user jump thru some hoops before getting their free download.

I also think the costs for obtaining the source material will be too high.

And, I'm not sure if this is what you're thinking about, but advertisers aren't so enthuasiastic about 'forced clicks' or similar structures.

Also you will be competing with both established legit and file sharing networks - sounds like a tough call. If you think you can make it work though, then best of luck!

PogMoThoin

Hey, hold on!
Are you offering a tune or many tunes?

Think I'll stick to my own methods, its working so far, got over 65Gb