Pick Irelands new Government Now!

AckwelFoley

After reading many of the same posts on out elected government, the same government that the people have voted for time and again, i want to ask the vocal oppisition a simple few questions. The first question is simple, but what i want point out, if pick for example the green's, it means a greens overall majority, however unrealistic that may be, what i want to know is what party you think could do a better job running the country




1. What party do you believe would be a more successful government?

2. Are you over 18 and Registered to vote?

3. Did you vote in the last general election?

El Stuntman

it's a nice diversionary tactic away from the threads on Bertie's difficulties, I'll give you that :eek: (the Boards equivalent of sending ministers out to fulminate against the costs of Mahon)

1. at the moment - FG. If PDs were bigger, then them.

2. Yes

3. No (away)

CerebralCortex

1. FG, Labour, Greens.

2.yes

3.yes

baztard

1. Greens

2. Yes

3. Yes (Greens and FG)

gandalf

1. FG, Labour, Greens (may review the Greens given their weak performance so far).

2. Yes

3. Yes - FG, Labour, Greens.

AckwelFoley

El Stuntman wrote: »

it's a nice diversionary tactic away from the threads on Bertie's difficulties, I'll give you that :eek: (the Boards equivalent of sending ministers out to fulminate against the costs of Mahon)

It was suggested to me to start a new thread, id posted it in that topic but was.. "off topic"

The_Minister

I think that what the OP wants is the single party that you think would be best in government, as a majority:

So:
PDs
Yes
Yes

jmayo

The_Minister wrote: »

I think that what the OP wants is the single party that you think would be best in government, as a majority:

So:
PDs
Yes
Yes

PD Single Party government ?
They will need a fair few more seats or will Matta Harrie do it all by herself

Tommy T

In an ideal world PD's

Yes

Yes...

rcecil

1. 1. A SF/lab coalition Cavan TD Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin as Taoisech
2. Yes
3. Have not voted in an Irish election yet but will for next local...

Now that labor dumped Pat Rabbitte and got trounced in their terrible coalition, perhaps they will help Sinn Fein to be an effective opposition to the corporate takeover of Ireland.

guinnessdrinker

The_Minister wrote: »

I think that what the OP wants is the single party that you think would be best in government, as a majority:

Oh, in that case, Páirtí Cumannach na hÉireann.

Yes
Yes

AckwelFoley

A sinn feinn Majority Government.

Id be interested to see what their policies on economic growth are.

amacachi

I've gotten to the stage where parties mean very little to me, I just voted for individuals, nothing to do with parties. Suppose a FG-led might shake things up a wee bit tho.
Yes
Yes - FG, SF, FF

CerebralCortex

snyper wrote: »

It was suggested to me to start a new thread, id posted it in that topic but was.. "off topic"

Oh you know probably not as good as FFs sigh.

Colonel Sanders

1. FG led government, people seem to forget how successful the last rainbow coalition was

2. Yes

3. Yes (gave the 3 FG candidates 1-2-3 in my area)

PS I have absolutely no party allegance (apart from dispising everything FF stand for), I was voting to try minimise the chance of another FF led government

duggie-89

well it would be

1. SF (but possibly a SF/Lab)

2. Yes

3. No

well uits economic policy would e in the better interest of berties who simply "takes the advice of Building FRIENDS"

also the importance should be on substainable economy not the buck fast one Snyper.

bill_ashmount

1. PD's
2. Over 18 but not registered to vote.
3. Didn't vote in last election.

bill_ashmount

rcecil wrote: »

Now that labor dumped Pat Rabbitte and got trounced in their terrible coalition, perhaps they will help Sinn Fein to be an effective opposition to the corporate takeover of Ireland.

I usually abstain from voting because there is no party that comes close to representing my views. However if I thought Sinn Fein were going to be in control of this country i'd have to return to stop them. They are without doubt the most clueless party I've ever come across and that is saying something.

duggie-89

bill_ashmount wrote: »

I usually abstain from voting because there is no party that comes close to representing my views. However if I thought Sinn Fein were going to be in control of this country i'd have to return to stop them. They are without doubt the most clueless party I've ever come across and that is saying something.

really why do you say that????

cause i think that is quite a far reaching statement cause firstly what political partiy doesn't know what its doing????

every political party has some idea of what it wants weather that is what you want or not is different. but your post was quite well ****ed up

AckwelFoley

duggie-89 wrote: »

really why do you say that????

cause i think that is quite a far reaching statement cause firstly what political partiy doesn't know what its doing????

every political party has some idea of what it wants weather that is what you want or not is different. but your post was quite well ****ed up

You obv didnt watch the televised debate of the leaders before the election. Gerry was like a hound lost in the woods, clueless as to anything to do with economic development.

Sinn Fein are so far leftwing they make Russians look like capitalists.

AckwelFoley

also the importance should be on substainable economy not the buck fast one Snyper

Ok, now that we've established this, what ideas have they put forward to acheive a more sustainable economy.

duggie-89

snyper wrote: »

You obv didnt watch the televised debate of the leaders before the election. Gerry was like a hound lost in the woods, clueless as to anything to do with economic development.

Sinn Fein are so far leftwing they make Russians look like capitalists.

lol you seem to think the russians are not capitalist???? have you not paied attention to the way russia is going the vast privateisation of all its industries especially its energy ones to huge tyrannts who backed putin for power only for him to turn on them.

russia is worst than america in that way.

well your mistaken i did and what i seen was gerry adams trying to explain that SF were in a process of renewing its views on the economy. something of a discussion i took part in.

duggie-89

snyper wrote: »

Ok, now that we've established this, what ideas have they put forward to acheive a more sustainable economy.

well i cant post a link to any actually bill but i can say is that a large part of the SF party believe in home grown industries and not foreign multi-nationals for long term growth.

ie NOT shell and trying not to rely on the big US computer companies especially in the midlands. if they were to pull out what then?????

how long will this building boom last for and then what???

answer me that????

guinnessdrinker

snyper wrote: »

Sinn Fein are so far leftwing they make Russians look like capitalists.

Snyper, Russians are capitalists! :eek:

AckwelFoley

guinnessdrinker wrote: »

Snyper, Russians are capitalists! :eek:

In a communist system, the government controls the production and distribution of goods.
In the United States, the economy is based on a capitalist model.

AckwelFoley

duggie-89 wrote: »

well i cant post a link to any actually bill but i can say is that a large part of the SF party believe in home grown industries and not foreign multi-nationals for long term growth.

ie NOT shell and trying not to rely on the big US computer companies especially in the midlands. if they were to pull out what then?????

The govenment already supports homegrown enterprises, most of which dont need to compete with the larger multinationals

Your aguement is Non sequitur.

guinnessdrinker

snyper wrote: »

In a communist system, the government controls the production and distribution of goods.
In the United States, the economy is based on a capitalist model.

Oh right, thanks for the explaination, now everything is a lot clearer. :rolleyes:

Jonny Arson

1. What party do you believe would be a more successful government?

Labour.

realistically, this country desperately needs a FG/Lab coalition as our next government and that is the government that i hope to see running this country by 2012 at the latest.

2. Are you over 18 and Registered to vote?

Yes and Yes

3. Did you vote in the last general election?

Yes

sadly conned into voting for the Green Party but thankfully i'll never vote for them again

AckwelFoley

guinnessdrinker wrote: »

Oh right, thanks for the explaination, now everything is a lot clearer. :rolleyes:

I really doubt it.

SeanW

1: FG, Labour
2: Yes
3: Yes

oscarBravo

snyper wrote: »

1. What party do you believe would be a more successful government?

The only credible opposition would be led by FG, so they get my vote. "Successful" government is a red herring. We need accountable government, not the incredible arrogance that's the hallmark of FF lately.

snyper wrote: »

2. Are you over 18 and Registered to vote?

Yes.

snyper wrote: »

3. Did you vote in the last general election?

I've voted in every national, local, European and presidential election, as well as every referendum, that I've been able to for the last 20-odd years.

DublinWriter

snyper wrote: »

what i want to know is what party you think could do a better job running the country

None of the above, muppets all with the exception of a few individuals.

We basically load all our frustrations about a failing and over-beaurocratic civil service on politicians.

The more and more I see, the more and more I realise that the public-sector are starting to become the cancer to the corpus of Ireland's recent economic progress.

In common with a cancer, they are multiplying in size, self-serving and devouring the host body until it can no longer function.

Case in point, the HSE, employing roughly 100,000 clerical and administrative grade staff - basically paper-pushers with no medical qualifications and who have no direct contact with the clients of the HSE.

I didn't vote in the last election because basically there was no-one worth voting for.

murphaph

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

1. FG led government, people seem to forget how successful the last rainbow coalition was

2. Yes

3. Yes (gave the 3 FG candidates 1-2-3 in my area)

PS I have absolutely no party allegance (apart from dispising everything FF stand for), I was voting to try minimise the chance of another FF led government

+1 except I voted FG/LAB/Joe Higgins to try to oust the smug Brian Lenihan from office. It failed and FF are back laughing at us again. We must be a sado-masochistic electorate.

It seems every day I hear of some screw up or other in our legislation (the primary purpose of any elected government!). Today it was the revelation that the Dept. of Education has paid a record sum to a builder for a site for a school in a housing development. The green spaces must be transfered to the local authority free of charge according to recent legislation but they 'forgot' to include the same provision for land for schools.

People who think FF are god's gift to government really need to get their heads out of their collective @rses. They are not all that good and that's before we start talking about corruption.

murphaph

DublinWriter wrote: »

None of the above, muppets all with the exception of a few individuals.

We basically load all our frustrations about a failing and over-beaurocratic civil service on politicians.

The more and more I see, the more and more I realise that the public-sector are starting to become the cancer to the corpus of Ireland's recent economic progress.

In common with a cancer, they are multiplying in size, self-serving and devouring the host body until it can no longer function.

Case in point, the HSE, employing roughly 100,000 clerical and administrative grade staff - basically paper-pushers with no medical qualifications and who have no direct contact with the clients of the HSE.

I didn't vote in the last election because basically there was no-one worth voting for.

won't disagree with any of that but I would add.......which government agreed to the Benchmarking model in relation to the payment of said civil servants?

That will be a decision that haunts the taxpayer for a generation.

At the end of the day, the government are elected to govern. They must take ultimate responsibility for a bloated and inefficient public sector.

_JOE_

1.FF(personal opinion is that they would be more successful considering that it is not just a one person government and the individual work of the FF TDs should be considered too)
2.Yes
3.Yes

bill_ashmount

DublinWriter wrote: »

None of the above, muppets all with the exception of a few individuals.

We basically load all our frustrations about a failing and over-beaurocratic civil service on politicians.

The more and more I see, the more and more I realise that the public-sector are starting to become the cancer to the corpus of Ireland's recent economic progress.

In common with a cancer, they are multiplying in size, self-serving and devouring the host body until it can no longer function.

Case in point, the HSE, employing roughly 100,000 clerical and administrative grade staff - basically paper-pushers with no medical qualifications and who have no direct contact with the clients of the HSE.

I didn't vote in the last election because basically there was no-one worth voting for.

Wow, someone who thinks along the same lines as me

DublinWriter if you set up a party, you may get a vote down in Cork

Tommy T

murphaph wrote: »

Listen here you. One of the major shareholders in the Corrib Gas Field (a national asset given away by FF, probably for a few quid in a brown envelope-filthy ba$tards) is a state run company called Statoil (you see it in the name now don't you Snyper: Statoil?!). It is Norwegian. It pays for one of the finest healthcare systems in the world (amongst other social services of course).

So, in summation, OUR hydrocarbon reserves (possibly oil) will pay for better social services in NORWAY.

Statoil got luicky because they have an unending oiol supply on their dorstep.

Can you begin to imagine an Irish State oil exploration company going out looking to strike it rich?

The expenses are truly astronimical...

Elmo

1. Labour and the Greens
2. Yes
3. Yes

In an ideal world

FF and FG would form a government so we could actually have an opposition of either right or left. Depending on who gets in to government.

In an ideal world

Mary Harney wouldn't be Minister for Health.

It looks like all the PDs who vote are on Boards. I hope they get around to merging with FG and FF.

Akrasia

1. The monster raving loony party

2. yes (getting on a bit now)

3 No, Anarchists don't tend to vote in general elections.

IRLConor

snyper wrote: »

1. What party do you believe would be a more successful government?

There is no party in Irish politics that fits the bill perfectly. I roughly summarise them as follows:

• Fianna Fáil - Some blend of too much corporate influence, incompetence and mediocre sit-on-the-fence-centrism. Not the worst of the bunch, but they shouldn't be where they are.
• Fine Gael - Indistinguishable from FF as far as I can see. Might be a slightly different blend, but it's hard to tell.
• Labour Party - Owned by the unions. Sometimes think they're socialist, other times think they are a slightly more leftish FF. I think they're positioned to get votes from people who feel guilty if they don't vote "left" but couldn't really vote socialist.
• Green Party - Pretty good actually, the closest to my views of the bunch. Pity they don't stand up for their policies now that they're in government. (Or if they do stand up for themselves, be more vocal about it.)
• Sinn Féin - I can't vote for these in good conscience due to their northern "work".
• Progressive Democrats - Concentrated extract of FF.
• <Assorted socialist/Marxist/Trotskyist/communist parties> - Relics of the industrial revolution IMHO.
• <Assorted single-issue parties> - I can't evaluate a party correctly unless they provide a pretty comprehensive description of their plans for government.

So pretty much no-one, but the Greens come close. My strategy for voting in the past has been to examine the politicians in my constituency and vote based on their published policies AND their apparent competence AND their apparent intelligence. So far that has led me to vote for a blend of FF, FG and Green politicians.

snyper wrote: »

2. Are you over 18 and Registered to vote?

Yes and yes. I've voted in every election that I've been eligible for and for which I've been in the country (and I would have voted in the rest if I could have had a postal vote).

snyper wrote: »

3. Did you vote in the last general election?

Yes.

duggie-89 wrote: »

and TommyT personally i think there should be a state run oil company to develop it and return the resources to the people and not to some foregin rich bussiness man. irelands wealth for ireland

Aren't state-run companies like that no longer kosher in the EU?

Besides, what the hell do politicians know about oil extraction? The less control they have over stuff they don't understand the better. If you want to get "Ireland's Wealth for Ireland" the answer is to apply taxes appropriately.