Album Shots

Fusion251

Hey,

I've just finished an independantly produced album and I'm looking to get some photo's taken, don't have much of a budget, can pay for film etc though...

Would anyone be interested in helping out?

I'm based in Dub..

myspace is www.myspace.com/fusion251

rahenyguy

ill give it a bash as long as i can fit it in around work etc,pm me ur email or phone number

DotOrg

Fusion251 wrote: »

Hey,

I've just finished an independantly produced album and I'm looking to get some photo's taken, don't have much of a budget, can pay for film etc though...

the the people who sold you the guitars give them for virtually free? the studio give free space? the person mastering it doing it for free, the company duplicating it do it for free?

i would have done it but just had to spend over €300 getting one of the cameras repaired and they wouldn't do it for free for me

romarr

^ not very helpful ...

doubt op is looking for a "pro rock an roll photographer" like yourself...

op will find someone; albeit someone who may not be very experienced, who wants to gain some experience in music photography... in my experience people who are in the initial stages of developing their skills oft put in greater effort, the results may not be mind blowing but will serve a purpose both for op and grapher...

boards is a good place to find opportunities to develop your skills, so dont discourage

by the by "independently produced" probably means that he did it himself in his bedroom ... so costs would have been minimal

Fusion251

DotOrg wrote: »

the the people who sold you the guitars give them for virtually free? the studio give free space? the person mastering it doing it for free, the company duplicating it do it for free?

i would have done it but just had to spend over €300 getting one of the cameras repaired and they wouldn't do it for free for me

Well for your information I built up a home studio over a few years, and played and recorded everything myself so stop being an ahole and only post helpful comments.

Cheers
Fusion

rahenyguy

as i said id like to try and help you out send us a mail at moralproductions@gmail.com if ya wanna get in touch

shepthedog

Try www.rcnphotos.com, he is a member on here and specialises in music photography..He might be interested in helping you out..

mikeanywhere

PM sent!!

RCNPhotos

Haha, Cheers Shep. Yeah drop me a PM or mail me at ryan@rcnphotos.com and we'l do some shots.

DotOrg

Fusion251 wrote: »

Well for your information I built up a home studio over a few years, and played and recorded everything myself so stop being an ahole and only post helpful comments.

i'm not being an asshole, i'm just pointing out the right of artists to get paid. i'm sure if your cd is played on the radio and cds are selling at gigs or in shops, you'll expect some kind of payment

i'm sure you had to pay for most of your equipment for your studio just as photographers have to pay for cameras, lenses, repairs, computer software & hardware

something worth watching, applies to all artists, music, writer, photographers : http://www.youtube.com/v/mj5IV23g-fE&rel=1

romarr

DotOrg wrote: »

something worth watching, applies to all artists, music, writer, photographers : http://www.youtube.com/v/mj5IV23g-fE&rel=1

the op is hardly WB ... amatures helping amatures is what it is all about when you're starting out ... ... this guy is obviously a guy with passion, who put his blood sweat tears and hard earned dollars into making his music and wants to get it out there in the best possible way ...

I'm happy that the fusion has got a good response from others, who are willing to scratch his back, with the belief that fusion will scratch theirs when time comes ...

challengemaster

DotOrg does have a point..

RoryW

How about turning this to everyones advantage.

Use this as a boards "how to" meet where the experienced (eg RGN, Sineadw) share tips etc with the inexperienced and then many photographers take many photos of the aspiring rockstar. And if he becomes famous, well we can then all see the photos from the first shoot and buy new cameras rather than repair them !

It will be like the Dandelion Market and wasnt it U2 and the number of people who claim to have seen them play there

Thirdfox

People are bound to think he's famous once they see a crowd of photographers snapping away at him

I wouldn't mind learning a few tricks about portraiture/advertisement photography.

RCNPhotos

Neither would I to be honest, could be an interesting meet, albeit a bit strange for Fusion having a ton of cameras pointing at him.

run_Forrest_run

DotOrg wrote: »

i'm not being an asshole, i'm just pointing out the right of artists to get paid. i'm sure if your cd is played on the radio and cds are selling at gigs or in shops, you'll expect some kind of payment

i'm sure you had to pay for most of your equipment for your studio just as photographers have to pay for cameras, lenses, repairs, computer software & hardware

something worth watching, applies to all artists, music, writer, photographers : http://www.youtube.com/v/mj5IV23g-fE&rel=1

I hear ya DotOrg (and I'm only a total novice). Nobody is trying to be an asshole here but you have a valid point in what you are saying and the video clip is bang on, sometimes the amateurs undercut so much that the top dogs take it all for granted when they get something for free and then expect it all the time. Not that I am saying the OP is a top dog, but the principles do apply.

However if I had a friend in the same situation I would of course help them out for whatever he/she could afford. It's about appreciating value and favours and sometimes when you get something for free you do not truly appreciate it because you didn't earn it.

phew, OK, I'm done.

King Eric

I agree with DotOrg, hes making a fairpoint and is in no way being an asshole. I saw the original post and was gonna reply or send a PM offering my services, but it struck me that the OP was looking for something for nothing which in my books isn't fair.

I don't charge much for the work i do for people, and undervalue a lot of stuff I do but i dont like the idea of working for free. OP has put his blood sweat and tears and hard earned cash into his music. Ive put mine into my photography,so he should totally respect and understand where were coming from.

dr strangelove

Personally, i agree with supersnail - if the guy can't afford a professional photographer, then why not come here and ask the amateurs?

For every person that says
"I'm not doing that for free, normally i charge €500 an hour for that sort of thing" you'll get someone else saying
"Yeah, why not, i've never done that kind of thing before, but i think i'm ready for it, and i'll give it a shot" - true, the band isn't getting the same level of skill as you would with a professional, but then they know that by coming here and asking for it for free.

I see it, (perhaps a bit selfishly) as an opportunity to try my hand at something i'd never normally get to do - take pictures of a band. If you spend a couple of hours shooting the band, why not treat it as a learning experience? both for the band and the photographer, and at the end of the day, even if the band hate the pictures, so what? It's two hours of your life. But i bet both the photographer and the band will take something away from the experience. Don't forget the band probably have never been seriously photographed before.

As long as you're credited for the photos, it can be a stepping stone on to other stuff, and something to put in your portfolio.

Everyone has to start somewhere.

My 2 cent's worth anyway.

Fusion251

Thanks for all the comments lads. I've done a number of pieces of music for film students etc for free. If you don't want to do it for free then you don't have to reply and complicate matters tbh.

If someone comes to me and asks me to compose some music for them and they have no budget I'll always have a go as long as they're not making money out of it and exploiting me. I'm not planning on making any money from this excursion because I don't have the funds to mass produce the album. I simply want to create something that is saleable to a record company and I think one of the main things they look at before they even listen to the music is what you look like. If after that I get recognition and an opportunity to make some cash then the photographer will be duly credited.

Dunno about the mass photography idea, but if people would be into that I'd be willing to give it a go if it helped them learn something as well?

Cheers
Fusion

challengemaster

Fusion251 wrote: »

If you don't want to do it for free then you don't have to reply and complicate matters tbh.

as long as they're not making money out of it and exploiting me.

I simply want to create something that is saleable to a record company

after that I [...] make some cash then the photographer will be duly credited.

thats what i read from that, anyway.

DotOrg

Fusion251 wrote: »

. I simply want to create something that is saleable to a record company and I think one of the main things they look at before they even listen to the music is what you look like. If after that I get recognition and an opportunity to make some cash then the photographer will be duly credited.

i've seen top band managers, major record labels ask for professional work for free because, and they've said this to me, well we've always got stuff for free, we're not paying anything

i've done work for free before and very rarely does it get you anywhere or any long term paying work.

damien, do you pay play to pay gigs or do you think your talent has some worth, no matter how small

Paulw

Fusion251 wrote: »

TI'm not planning on making any money from this excursion because I don't have the funds to mass produce the album. I simply want to create something that is saleable to a record company and I think one of the main things they look at before they even listen to the music is what you look like. If after that I get recognition and an opportunity to make some cash then the photographer will be duly credited.

I see nothing at all wrong with this attitude. If people want to help out and use their skills with photography, then brilliant.

If not, then that's fine too.

No need to have a go at the OP because he wants some help. If you don't want do help, then that's your choice, but there's no need to put the OP down.

Fajitas!

DotOrg wrote: »

i'm not being an asshole, i'm just pointing out the right of artists to get paid.

Agreed.

No need to tell anyone they're being an "ahole" for asking to be paid for a professional service, that will add to your potential when applying for a label. It's something I see time and time again in music, and something that really puts me off it.

On the other hand, if you fancy spending a few bob, and getting pro level photos, feel free to give myself or DotOrg and a few others a Pm

RCNPhotos

DotOrg wrote: »

i would have done it but just had to spend over €300 getting one of the cameras repaired and they wouldn't do it for free for me

I think it was this that really brought the ahole comment. Dotorg has a fair point, but it was more the way it was put across that caused offence I think. All in all though, a fairly enjoyable thread.

challengemaster

RCNPhotos wrote: »

I think it was this that really brought the ahole comment. Dotorg has a fair point, but it was more the way it was put across that caused offence I think. All in all though, a fairly enjoyable thread.

So a use of real life example = asshole ?

Fusion251

Hey,

Thanks for all the replys positive (and negative). I have a few pms now to reply to so I'll get in touch with them and see how I get on.

Cheers
Fusion

RCNPhotos

Now, I first off never called anyone an asshole, gotta cover myself there. But I think that's what brought the whole asshole thing on. A real life example, but just the way it was put across. That's all.

melekalikimaka

dammit i always miss these sorta fights, i could really have spiced things up

challengemaster

RCNPhotos wrote: »

Now, I first off never called anyone an asshole, gotta cover myself there. But I think that's what brought the whole asshole thing on. A real life example, but just the way it was put across. That's all.

Well personally I saw nothing wrong with the point he was making - it was a fair example given.