Airsoft at the Young Scientist Comp?

Rew

Someone who was it it told me they came across a project that was stating how dangerous airsoft guns are and how they shouldn't be legal... Sounds like a very miss guided young scientist to me... He was showing videoes of BB's going though plastic milk cartons and the like... :eek::rolleyes:

Witcher

Rew wrote: »

Someone who was it it told me they came across a project that was stating how dangerous airsoft guns are and how they shouldn't be legal... Sounds like a very miss guided young scientist to me... He was showing videoes of BB's going though plastic milk cartons and the like... :eek::rolleyes:

jesus, i can hear einstein turning in his grave. science has gone to the dogs


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o1s1n

Was only wonder the other day if there'd be anything airsoft related at it. Although I thought one of them would be saying how good a sport it was.

Pff, I thought teenagers were meant to be cool :mad:

Masada

lol., nah, he would have been the fat kid with the nerdy hair and glasses who doesnt get picked for the footbal team.,
why cant science over here be like it is on brainiac.,

NakedDex

It was in my old school. Explosions and silly experiments, lots of broken things and of course some custard.


And then we went to class...

Rew

vtec wrote: »

lol., nah, he would have been the fat kid with the nerdy hair and glasses who doesnt get picked for the footbal team.,
why cant science over here be like it is on brainiac.,

I was thinking somthing like that with some serioulsy lefty parents who thought it was a fantastic project and are still wondering why he didnt win.

Kid wasn't at the stand when the person who told me about it was there so not futher info could be got... :mad:

Masada

NakedDex wrote: »

It was in my old school. Explosions and silly experiments, lots of broken things and of course some custard.


And then we went to class...

wanna try my school then, the explosions wasnt anything to do with school work, it was the rival gangs,.,lol

Witcher

vtec wrote: »

wanna try my school then, the explosions wasnt anything to do with school work, it was the rival gangs,.,lol

shoot outs with cap guns eh?




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Rew

I remember when I was in 6th yr one of the guys in my class brought in a springer pistol and shot some random first year in the back of the leg with it. Caused war!! Cann't remember if he got caught for it.

Masada

err no, i live in the centre of dublin, they'd laugh at ya if you pulled out a knife never mind a cap gun.,lol

Rew wrote:

I remember when I was in 6th yr one of the guys in my class brought in a springer pistol and shot some random first year in the back of the leg with it. Caused war!! Cann't remember if he got caught for it.

fukin hell!, he probably got nicked for it id say,.,

Witcher

vtec wrote: »

err no, i live in the centre of dublin,QUOTE]


i thought you were from cork, someboody misled me:mad:



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Rew

Nah, stuff like that never left the school, all handled internally.

Masada

blay1 wrote: »

vtec wrote: »

err no, i live in the centre of dublin,QUOTE]


i thought you were from cork, someboody misled me:mad:



:cool::cool::cool:

me? no.,lol, im a born and bread capital city slicker.,lol:D

Rew wrote: »

Nah, stuff like that never left the school, all handled internally.

im my school it wasnt unknown for them to call in the cops for anything remotely serious,., although nothing really ever came of it, they were trying to frighten kids that were pretty much seasoned criminals and had no fear of the cops at all.,lol

Hivemind187

No. I simply refuse to write a response to the Young Scientists ... this is just getting silly.

As a point though, I hope the kid fails physics, the last thing we need is another incompetent scientist.

Witcher

Hivemind187 wrote: »

As a point though, I hope the kid fails physics, the last thing we need is another incompetent scientist.

thats a dead cert. you would swear he was enlightning the world to the fact

a bb can go through a milk carton.


also note how he used video to present the "bb can go through a milk carton

test"

i bet he's never touched an airsoft device and yet chooses to try to blacken

its name.


by the looks of it he's a daily star reader:D present false facts with no

research to base them on


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Masada

yeah but RS can go through a milk carton too so airsoft must be dangerous.,:rolleyes:

Witcher

vtec wrote: »

yeah but RS can go through a milk carton too so airsoft must be dangerous.,:rolleyes:

yeah like that pushing two bits of info together and hoping it supports their

negative view of airsoft



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zero19

Rew wrote: »

I remember when I was in 6th yr one of the guys in my class brought in a springer pistol and shot some random first year in the back of the leg with it. Caused war!! Cann't remember if he got caught for it.

That's nothing compared to this, on my 5th year school trip to Barcelona way back when a load of us bought a bunch of springers and ended up having a huge fight in the hotel we were staying in with them, you couldn't even swim in the pool without fear of being sniped from the balconies, i recall opening the room door to a pair of silver glocks with .12's nailing my chest at point blank range, one the teachers room was used to keep all the gear after all that so he had like 50+ assorted weapons under his bed...

I know we were young and dumb by it was technically my first skirmish and was a good laugh...

Anywho a bit off topic i wonder had we any pro airsoft judges at the young scientist awards?

Fallschirmjager

I Am Airsoft, Hear Me Roar, I Am Destroyer Of Milk Cartons...!!!

Stercus Accidit

Remember the joe duffy show?

One woman said she confiscated a springer of her kid and tested it on a cereal box, "and it went through one of the sides of the box joe", "jeasus" says joe, who couldnt give a sh1te.

I can put my finger through a carton ban my arms.

In fairness he probably doesn't read the news of the world at that age....

He writes for it.

Lemming

The biys from Co.Cark jumped on the Daily star bandwagon so it would seem ...

Reference: 41400
"Investigation Into The Danger Of Legally Bought Air Guns", Scoil Mhuire Gan Smal
Individual Project
Intermediate level (age-group)


Christ, another "air gun" daily star routine. :rolleyes:

Meh, ... I'm amazed they got a BB to puncture a milk carton considering they probably picked up el-cheapo gear from MAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Genghiz Cohen

Motosam wrote: »

Remember the joe duffy show?

One woman said she confiscated a springer of her kid and tested it on a cereal box, "and it went through one of the sides of the box joe", "jeasus" says joe, who couldnt give a sh1te.

"A cereal killer" - Joe Duffy.

This is just some kid picking a topic that is on peoples minds in hopes that he will get a prize.

kdouglas

Interesting alright... I'd like to see the full details of his research, anyone know where we can get more info?

Im curious as to what results he came up with, as we all know, they are not dangerous, so the very fact that he uses the word dangerous in his project title implies a bias and therefore not an impartial scientific review.

Lemming

kdouglas wrote: »

Interesting alright... I'd like to see the full details of his research, anyone know where we can get more info?

Not sure. The official websites for both the YS and the school have no mention (other than the YS entry listing) . I would be curious to see the research material and conclusions.

Im curious as to what results he came up with, as we all know, they are not dangerous, so the very fact that he uses the word dangerous in his project title implies a bias and therefore not an impartial scientific review.

Indeed, also the fundamental flaw in calling airsoft devices 'air guns' would imply sensationalist band-wagon jumping since that's what all the tabloids were calling them.

Although the title use of the word 'dangerous' does not necessarily imply bias. If you set out to attempt to link danger to something and then fail, and state that in your conclusions it's all fine and well. It becomes bias if you start omitting facts or sources, or test things in a very particular way so as to skew the results in your favour that scientific bias creeps in the backdoor. Such sloppy research is usually shown up swiftly (and then systematically slaughtered in full public view) by peer-review in the scientific world.

Hivemind187

Lemming wrote: »

The biys from Co.Cark jumped on the Daily star bandwagon so it would seem ...

Reference: 41400
"Investigation Into The Danger Of Legally Bought Air Guns", Scoil Mhuire Gan Smal
Individual Project
Intermediate level (age-group)


Christ, another "air gun" daily star routine. :rolleyes:

Meh, ... I'm amazed they got a BB to puncture a milk carton considering they probably picked up el-cheapo gear from MAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Waitaminute ... newespaper cites YS project as justification for bad mouthing Airsoft.

British Government cites a failed politics students thesis as evidence of a 45-minute launch window for Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction ...

... co-incidence? You be the judge.

Fallschirmjager

well considering some of the difficulties you can have opening a milk carton, it is certainly a more interesting way of having breakfast.

get aeg with 9.6v and a breakfact cereal carton
get milk
lay down plastic sheeting
get family to wear goggles
line up milk, cartons, bowls
open up with hi cap
scoop mess into a bowl...

might be a bit crunchy with the bb's but i rekon it would work.

i see a youtube experiment awaiting someone inventive

i can even see a sniper variant

one bowl, one milk, one shot....

defenderdude

Fallschirmjager wrote: »

i can even see a sniper variant

one bowl, one milk, one shot....

:D:D:D

I did my own "experiment" last night - blowing a bb through a barrell I was changing... (pea shooter in effect)

Chrono'd it - surprisingly just under 100fps (without really trying). New backup sidearm after eating Falls cereal:D:D:D




I really must get out more...

kdouglas

lol, i've tried that too, think i managed to chrono at about 70fps without too much effort

Gizmodeon

Ah crap
I was offered to go with my dad and I didn't
would have been fun to grill the kid for misinformation :P

Shiva

Maybe he didn't win because one or more of the judges was an airsofter, and they recognised his project to be crap...

ScumLord

Shiva wrote: »

Maybe he didn't win because one or more of the judges was an airsofter, and they recognised his project to be crap...

Or maybe it was just because it was a stupid project full stop. The winners are coming up with projects that could actually help the planet or make them rich. Proper genius stuff and this one talks about the dangers of toy guns.. and damaged cereal boxes..

Shiva

ScumLord wrote: »

Or maybe it was just because it was a stupid project full stop. The winners are coming up with projects that could actually help the planet or make them rich. Proper genius stuff and this one talks about the dangers of toy guns.. and damaged cereal boxes..

I hope you're not implying that cereal boxes don't have rights ?
We have names for people like you, y'know* !!











* names like...."sane", "normal", "well-balanced".

Rovi

Rew wrote: »

I remember when I was in 6th yr one of the guys in my class brought in a springer pistol and shot some random first year in the back of the leg with it. Caused war!! Cann't remember if he got caught for it.

Back in the last century, our physics teacher used a .177 pellet gun as part of his equipment when dealing with the velocity of projectiles and similar subjects.
He would set up a homemade chronograph on his desk and fire the pellets into a block of plasticine.
On at least one famous occasion, his aim was a little off and the pellet ricochetted off the plasticine and hit a student on the chin.
Student: "Ow!"
Teacher: "Are you all right?"
Student: "Yes sir." (this may give a hint as to the vintage of this story)
Teacher: "Fine."
...and he carried on with the lesson, taking a bit more care with his aim.
That was it as far as everyone was concerned, and the only fallout was us giving the student a hard time over the welt on his chin for the week of so it took for it to go away.

These days, I have no doubt that the teacher would be arrested and sacked, the school would be sued into the ground, and we'd all have to undergo an extended course of therapy and counselling to help us overcome the 'trauma.' :rolleyes:

Lemming

ScumLord wrote: »

Or maybe it was just because it was a stupid project full stop. The winners are coming up with projects that could actually help the planet or make them rich. Proper genius stuff and this one talks about the dangers of toy guns.. and damaged cereal boxes..

It's not the science, it's how you use it that makes a fundamental difference. Some scientific papers/reports/show-cases/whatever are 'sexy' and thus appeal to people's imaginations a lot more than something that seems dull and uninteresting.

It's entirely possible the project was guided by somebody who believes they would be saving society and/or lives from a perceived 'dangerous menace'. It's also equally plausible that somebody got an airsoft, the teacher heard about and started trying to red-top them, they replied "it's not dangerous" and the teacher said "prove it then ... ". Or it's also entirely possible that I'm wide of the mark completely.

Gizmodeon

To be honest every year bar this year I've gone to the young scientist
there is some very good stuff sometimes, but
every year
without a doubt
someone has studied which washing powder is better.....
fascinating stuff, really:D

Fuzzytrooper

Hmmm wonder how many projects there were this year on the social implications of Bebo

c-90

Rew wrote: »

I remember when I was in 6th yr one of the guys in my class brought in a springer pistol and shot some random first year in the back of the leg with it. Caused war!! Cann't remember if he got caught for it.

this happened to me in second year when the quite lad with long hair pulled out a springer and shot me about 6 times nobody saw it and we turned out to be good freinds after a small feud of bbs:D

Mweelrea

lads i was up at the RDS and saw this project

the guy reckoned a glock was more powerful than a g36c used a 7up can to demonstrate how "dangerous" airsoft was

He could have done more damage to the can with a knitting needle than what the BB's did.

Still though at least he never won anything not even a rosette which quite a few others got.

o1s1n

Mweelrea wrote: »

lads i was up at the RDS and saw this project

the guy reckoned a glock was more powerful than a g36c used a 7up can to demonstrate how "dangerous" airsoft was

He could have done more damage to the can with a knitting needle than what the BB's did.

Still though at least he never won anything not even a rosette which quite a few others got.

And on that note, this thread has run its course.

For future reference, can people please keep their springer in school anecdotes to themselves.