Giants for the Vince Lombardi Trophy?

Third_Echelon

First off, I'm a Giants fan, so you might think I'm a bit mad when I say I think that the Giants can go all the way this year!!!

I just have this sneaking feeling that they can do it. They went through a bit of a slump not so long ago, but they have come out the other side of it and are starting to get it together.

What do you reckon? Am I just mad?

Probably one weak point, but amazingly a strong point at the same time is Peyton Manning. He can be infuriating at times, but there are signs there that he will be a really good quarter-back.

Even though the Cowboys and Pats are obviously a lot stronger, I still think the Giants can do it.

I actually fancy them to beat the cowboys!

hanton12

Maybe, good to have confidence anyway. Cant see them beating cowyboys tho, and if they do they'd have to go to Green Bay or Seattle and win there, and then beat better ranked teams in the AFC.

Yeah, Peyton Manning can be infuriating alright, especially when he plays well for the Colts!:p Having won MVP and getting a superbowl MVP and a ring, are good signs he might be good!;) But yeah, Eli might do well, wont be as good as Peyton, but he needs to stop having those all too often poor games where he makes some bad calls.

Trampas

Eli is not good enough simple as that

Pherekydes

They have a great shot at beating Dallas, but going to Lambeau will be a severe shock to the system after Tampa and Dallas, so no chance of even getting a look at ole Vince.

davyjose

Colts - 'nuff said. In the furore of the whole 16 - 0 situation, let it not be forgotten that the Superbowl Champs up until week 9 were being touted as the team to beat. The pats beat them, it's true, but it was very close (admittedly a few other teams got close to the Pats too, but none of them Superbowl champs). I've a feeling (looking at the prediction thread) that many have written them off. Be warned folks - at your peril.

MC_G

I'd say that the Giants have a great shot at covering the spread and possibly even winning this weekend. The key for them would be the play of their defensive line and T.O.'s ankle. The offense is capable enough if they limit their mistakes.

Eli wouldn't be the worst qb to hoist the Lombardi.

Signed,

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson

dulpit

I personally don't think the Giants have much chance of getting to the Superbowl, let alone winning it.. I think the NFC have a slim chance of winning the Superbowl, but if the Giants were to represent them I think that the Colts, Pats, Jags or Chargers would beat them...

Personally it has to be either the Pats or Colts to win it... Lombardi is 100% (in my mind at least) heading to the AFC yet again...

SantryRed

Meh, only chance I think the Giants have of beating the Cowboys is if TO doesn't make it.

Means they can focus on trying to stop the Cowboys TE Witten without having to worry about TO.

If Owens plays, Giants are out.:D

jdivision

Giants have no hope of going to SB. Dallas will depend on Romo tonight, if his hand is recovered they win. Eli's too inconsistent

Third_Echelon

The thing is though, the Giants have played both the Cowboys and the Patriots this season.

Giants had a great lead on the Patriots. The most the Patriots have been behind in a game all season. Of course, they did come back to win it, but the Giants have the experience this season of playing these two teams.. That has to count for something.... and on the day this could be quite valuable for them!

tallaghtoutlaws

Never say never remember the Patriots in 2001 folks nobody expected them to be there agaisnt the Rams in the Bowl.

fermoyboy

I'm a Giants fan and I don't think there's any chance of them winning the Super Bowl. They'll be lucky to get past the Cowboys tonight.

They are playing well at the moment and are coming off the back of a few games where they've played well but the secondary is just not good enough to contain the Cowboys offence. I think the Giants offence will put points on the board too but reckon the Cowboys will take it in a shootout

Third_Echelon

1 step closer

Vikings

They won't do it. Sorry. They won't even get past the Packers.

Take for example the closing few minutes of the game, it's 3rd and 5 and Eli is under pressure, one first down and they Giants practically close out the game - Eli tries to scramble and gets sacked.

Take a look at Brett Favre against the Hawks, its 3rd down Favre is under pressure, scrambles about and while falling over underarms it to Donald Lee who gets a first down.

There is a huge difference in the two QB's leading those two teams and Eli Manning just does not have what it takes to take down Brett Favre and the Packers.

And I for one cannot wait for Favre v Brady in two weeks time!

wack1

your not mad, the momentum is with us!!
if we get there the Pats will be in for a tough game after wk 16's performance nearly beat them

fermoyboy

Looks like I was wrong in my earlier post.....thankfully!!

Eli won't be the one bringing down Favre, it'll be Osi, Strahan and Co that will take care of that!

Vikings

Hardly... the Packer's oline is well above average and Favre works well with them, he will pick apart your secondary.

And the Packers defense... well I can see Bigby having another monster game!

Pherekydes

wack1 wrote: »

your not mad, the momentum is with us

Momentum can be stopped; consistently good football is much more difficult to stop. Long range weather forecast has the temp in the low single digits fahrenheit, -15 or so. The Giants might put up a better fight than Seattle, but I don't expect it to be much closer than the week 2 game.

wack1

I hope everyone rights us off again this week so we can prove people wrong once again!

golfnuts

All aboard, lets go for 10 in a row on the road :cool:

fermoyboy

The Cowboys O-Line is above average too and were the reason Romo had such a good season. But they buckled last night after consistent pressure from the Giants D-Line. I reckon they'll get some good pressure on Favre too

de5p0i1er

Trampas wrote: »

Eli is not good enough simple as that

Hes not playing to bad at the moment he's spent his entire career living in his dads and brothers shadows thats alot of presaure on him he's starting to come in to his own.

Charlie

I thought the offensive plays the Giants were running in the latter part of the 4th Quarter were terrible! It was like they wanted to kepp giving dallas another crack at it.

Don't get me wrong, there defence was immense, and could be what gets them to a Super Bowl, but with offensive calls like that, they were very lucky not to get punished by what has been, for most of the season, and excellent Dallas offence.

If such gifts are presented to Farve, I see NY getting punished.

Vikings

de5p0i1er wrote: »

Hes not playing to bad at the moment he's spent his entire career living in his dads and brothers shadows thats alot of presaure on him he's starting to come in to his own.

Yeah, I did feel bad for him in a way. Watching the post game interview he had - after just winning a play off game - the reporter asked him a question about Peyton Manning not winning. Completely different game luv, ask him about his own team and his own playoffs.

Though the sad fact is, unless he somehow pulls off miracles and outperforms Peyton.. he will always be known as Peyton Mannings little brother, and that can't do his confidence much good!

I just don't think Eli has what it takes in him to take down the Packers.

csk

Giants for the Superbowl? Can't really see it myself, too many injuries and Eli just ain't good enough. Green Bay will have to much in the tank for them. especially in Lambeau.

The real question is will Vince Lombardi be coming back to his rightful home?:D

wack1

Ross is expected to play sunday. there's also possibility of Docker & Madison playing so things could be different come sunday

Third_Echelon

Sweet Jebus! I should have put money on them!!!!

GO GIANTS

dulpit

Ya, it's surprising alright... And based on how the week 17 game against the Patriots was, it should be a decent superbowl...

fermoyboy

Don't think even the most die-hard Giants fans would've predicted at the beginning of the season that the Giants would make the Super Bowl!!

They've defied the odds to get this far..who's to say they won't keep defying the odds......

Wisesmurf

The Eli I saw in November in the flesh against the Vikings (with payton in the crowd) is not the Eli that has been playing post season.

Either way win or not this will be a brill super bowl!

cya all in the woolshed!

Y2J_MUFC

Nooooooo Packers, noooooooo........ I was hoping for a Green Bay / New England final

wack1

I said last week we had the momentum and could beat the Pack!
we really should have beaten the Pats in week 17, Pats didnt look great sunday,
Chargers poor play in redzone killed there chances, Giants have a decent chance of beating them

davyjose

Giants have no chance IMO. The only teams that had a chance of beating the Pats were the Colts and GB, who both blew it. It'd be nice to see another manning Superbowl MVP, but I doubt it.

deBOTCHery

i am a pats fan and i am expecting a good fight from both sides. yes, the patriots played a less than exciting game on sunday, but they pulled it off. i don't know that the giants played an extrodinary game either. it seemed to me to be more like the pack just didn't want it. i'm not slighting the giants, i happen to have a lot of respect for them, i'm just saying that it was a strange sunday. no one seemed to bring their best game, no one. the giants defense has proven that they can go up against the patriots offense, somewhat. i am picking the pats to win, obviously, but i think it will be a good game.

free2fly

Agree with deBOTCHery. I think it's going to be a well fought game on both side. I heard on the news this morning that Sports Illustrated magazine is actually picking the Giants to upset the Pats! :eek:

walt colman

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The Giants played the Patriots well in the last game of the regular season, with nothing on the line. I think with the media madness that surrounds the Superbowl, and with half the country talking them up, the Giants will lose their focus and enter the game too tightly wound. The Patriots will stay focused, that is what they do best after all, and perform at their best from the first snap. By the time the Giants realise there is a game to be played it will be two late, the Patriots will be ahead by 2/3 scores.

We will also see the return of Randy Moss, 2 TD 100+ yards.

Final score Patriots 31 - 16.

Then the world, wheather they like it or not, will have to declare this years Patriots "The Greatest Team Ever" :D:D

heyjude

walt colman wrote: »

Then the world, wheather they like it or not, will have to declare this years Patriots "The Greatest Team Ever" :D:D

I'm assuming this is supposed to be ironic, in reality, the current Patriots team could make the all time top ten and might be the best team of the salary cap era. Going undefeated doesn't make a team the best ever, unless you believe that the undefeated Dolphins team are currently the best ever ! :eek:

I imagine fans of the Bears, 49ers, Steelers, Raiders, Cowboys and Packers could argue that they had the greatest ever team too and while I'm not a Bears fan, nobody dominated a season the way the Bears did in their Superbowl season. They say 'offence wins games, defence wins championships' and that Bears D was probably the most dominant ever, added to which they were a cold weather team with Walter Payton at RB. Ironic too, that the Bears crushed the Patriots in the Superbowl that year.

walt colman

heyjude wrote: »

I'm assuming this is supposed to be ironic, in reality, the current Patriots team could make the all time top ten and might be the best team of the salary cap era. Going undefeated doesn't make a team the best ever, unless you believe that the undefeated Dolphins team are currently the best ever ! :eek:

I imagine fans of the Bears, 49ers, Steelers, Raiders, Cowboys and Packers could argue that they had the greatest ever team too and while I'm not a Bears fan, nobody dominated a season the way the Bears did in their Superbowl season. They say 'offence wins games, defence wins championships' and that Bears D was probably the most dominant ever, added to which they were a cold weather team with Walter Payton at RB. Ironic too, that the Bears crushed the Patriots in the Superbowl that year.

Going undefeated is just one element to being the best ever. Breaking records is another. You would also have to consider the difficulty of a teams regular season schedule. The Patriots have been great in all of these categories. The fact they have done this in the salary cap era only adds to their greatness.

If the Pats win the SB this year you could still try and argue for the Bears, but to suggest the Pats would only make into the top ten shows you are talking (hater?) crap.

heyjude

walt colman wrote: »

You would also have to consider the difficulty of a teams regular season schedule. The Patriots have been great in all of these categories.

The AFC East was the weakest Division in the NFL this year, excluding the Patriots, the Bills, Jets and Dolphins all finished with losing records and managed just 12 wins in a combined 48 games with the Patriots facing these 'difficult' opponents 6 times. Compare this to the AFC South in which NO team finished with a losing record, leaving aside the division winning Colts, the Jaguars, Titans and Texans finished with a combined 29 wins.

So how great of an achievement is it to go 6-0 in the weakest division in the league. No other team in the league went undefeated in their division games because no other top team plays in such a soft division and this would have to be considered when judging how great this years Patriots are. As would the margins of victory in the AFC Divisional and AFC Championship games, how would winning margins of 11pts and 9pts compare to those recorded by the 'great' teams of the past 40 years ?

Third_Echelon

Well my complete and utter madness turned out to be not so mad after all. Delighted that the Giants went all the way!

Damn... should have put my money where my mouth was