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Big Sam Sacked?!?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    Newcastle have a better home record then liverpool :eek:

    had to check that to believe it.

    rafa out?

    kdjac


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,562 ✭✭✭leeroybrown


    I definitely agree that the 'Comedy Club' need to find a good manager and back them for a long term stint if they want success. As I pointed out above in an earlier post I think that Big Sam forced Mike Ashley's hand by falling out with pretty much everyone at the same time as going through ridiculously bad form. If they continued to be as rubbish as they were he would have moved him on at the end of the season anyway but at least he would have had a chance to save his job before then.

    On the topic of Shearer (whom I still think is too clever to take the job now) and the Southgate dispensation one thing just came to mind. Shearer is in the middle of his UEFA Pro License while to my memory Gareth Southgate was actually still completing his UEFA B coaching badge at the time of the dispensation. It makes it all the more ridiculous when you consider that he still had the UEFA A and Pro License to complete afterwards and that he's still hasn't got his Pro License.
    KdjaCL wrote: »
    rafa out?
    I wouldn't say that but they do share one thing in common. For the most part (particularly Sam) both managers have signed a group of players that haven't really improved the overall quality of the team significantly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    KdjaCL wrote: »
    Newcastle have a better home record then liverpool :eek:

    had to check that to believe it.

    rafa out?

    kdjac

    i wondered how long before someone would say that :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    I wouldn't say that but they do share one thing in common. For the most part (particularly Sam) both managers have signed a group of players that haven't really improved the overall quality of the team significantly.

    you crazy man! Agger-Reina-Alonso-Arbeloa-Mascherano-Babel-Torres......please dont mention the Raffatullah in the same breath as "Big Sam"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭LOTTOWINNER


    As a fully paid up member of the Toon army, I was also shocked about Big Sam dismissal, not that he was my preferred choice in the first place, but he deserved at least a full season.
    One thing that amazed me about him, was the "fantastic" job that he did at Bolton, I personally couldn't bear to watch bolton play when sam was manager, basketball not football imo.
    And although Shearer was a very talented player, I think it would be maddness to make him manager due to his lack of experience.

    Its a pity Newcastle do most/all their entertaining off the pitch.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭smog


    Alan Shearer must be our next manager, for too long he has been a spectre over recent appointments. Gullit drops Shearer bye bye Ruud (hooray). Bobby drops Shearer bye bye Bobby (boo). Shearer's retirement was horrifically on the horizon for Souness (hence the panic buying of Owen/Lugue)
    .....
    Even if Shearer was a dismal failure (though horrible for us that loved him) then any successor would be given full remit to run the club as he sees fit minus the shadow of Al.

    http://newcastleunited.rivals.net/News/pgArticle.aspx?artid=2483_3033651

    :) Gotta agree it does make pefect sense and seems there is a couple of posters here that came to the same conclusion. Not the worst idea in the world


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    according to SSN, Ashley knows who he wants as a replacement and they can confirm he is british?!

    O'Neill?No
    Hughes?Unlikey
    Redknapp?No
    Moyes?Unlikey
    Shearer? :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,562 ✭✭✭leeroybrown


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    you crazy man! Agger-Reina-Alonso-Arbeloa-Mascherano-Babel-Torres......please dont mention the Raffatullah in the same breath as "Big Sam"
    I should have been clearer - I meant his summer 2007 signings. This was supposed to be the big push for the League but the incoming players haven't had enough of an impact on the pitch. Obviously Torres has been brilliant but the others signed this summer haven't exactly set the world on fire. I've liked some of what I saw of Babel but for that much money he's not a regular key player. £21m+ for Torres is good value but spending £6m or £12m on a player who doesn't start regularly isn't great business when it's the starting 11 and not the squad that needs to be better.

    Back on topic. According to the slightly biased BBC sources close to Shearer have almost completely ruled him out now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    If Shearer wants to rule himself out, he could have done months ago.....all he had to do was say he had no interest in managing the club for a good few years yet. AFAIK, he never did that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭Daysha


    Its Redknapp!

    Odds on him getting the job have plummeted at all the bookies. Now 4/7 at Paddy Power, Shearer a 9/2 distant second


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    venables to manage with shearer as number 2 for a year before taking control?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭Daysha


    Take the Shearer story with a pinch of salt tbh. BBC are getting a habit of trying to be the first to bring out follow up exclusives and make it seem like it came from they're huge branch of "sources". Remember when BBC Sports understood the day after McClaren left that Mourinho had ruled out the job? It eventually took him a few weeks to make up his mind

    And remember that big BBC exclusive about Man U signing Craig Gordon over the summer?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,562 ✭✭✭leeroybrown


    The Shearer story is suitably vague for it to be completely fictitious. It's been noticeable over the last year or so the way the BBC site are now first with some stories and I've noticed them quite deliberately take quotes out of context on the site for a number of articles. I put a lot less faith in them these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭Limerick Dude


    Redknapp would be nice, cant see it happening tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,718 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    Shearer = the Staunton of Ireland

    What are they thinking. No one in their right mind is gonna take the Newcastle job. How can they only give him half a season? I know they're not playing great but they're within striking distance of the top half. If he'd been allowed buy a few players in the window they could have pushed on. Look at the quality of players he managed to entice to Bolton.

    :D:D:D Surely you meant "Shearer the Staunton of ENGLAND!!!!!!!????? If the Newcastle board bend to the "fans'" demand for Shearer as next Newcastle boss, they should be booted out too!!! Pack of f***in NUMPTIES, the lot of 'em!!


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    astrofool wrote: »
    Newcastle is a club run by idiots with idiot fans, how they can give a new manager 8 months to turn them from the biggest laughing stock in football to a credible club I don't know, and they deserve to get relegated for their sheer utter undeniable cretinism, and hopefully they'll do a Leeds on it and play "sexy football" in the conference.

    The timing is absolutely braindead as well, it means a whole transfer window wasted hiring someone else, AND the players Sam got in are going to be wondering how soon they can get out of it.

    As I think it was Kdjcal said on the Newcastle thread, they'd be better up winding up the club, selling the stadium, and starting again with a 5 a side team and 4 jumpers.
    astrofool deserves a prize for his sublime usage of the word "cretinism".

    *applause*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭evilhomer


    Another Toon fan here.

    I'm not impressed by Big Sam being gone, but Ashley and Mort seem far too much like proper businessmen to back him a few days ago and then sack him today without
    A) A very good reason (possibly an unreconcilable fallout with the squad, which has been around far too long in the rumour mill not to have some truth to it)
    B) Big Sam didn't get the funds or support he wanted in Jan and decided he wanted out.
    C) The pressure was too much for him.

    I think he needed at least the year, at the end we could have looked back and said "looks like your moving us forward, here is £30 million for transfers" or "We are not going anywhere, even though you have had these players together for 40+ games, bye, bye"

    Our greatest "successes" came under managers who had long runs in charge i.e. Robson and Keegan. Whoever goes in next we need to back them and see them through a season or two.

    The other major factor in this, as a couple of toon fans have pointed out already is that Mike Ashley didn't appoint him.

    If Ashley did decide to sack him it would be a foolish time to do it.

    I think Jol or maybe as a couple of people have said Harry will be in for the job. Deschamps would be nice too. Shearer is not the man for the job, end of story. Let him manage someone else first, get a track record, then he can have the job.

    As regards all the "Jose" digs in the thread, I would love him as manager but I'm pretty sure his severance with Chelsea doesn't allow him to take on another Premier League club until at least the summer ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭evilhomer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    It's a farcical situation. Allardyce was as likely as anyone to turn things around for Newcastle. Given time I think he would have. Ok it mightn't have been the sexiest football ever, but surely Newcastle had long enough as the entertaining circus show team who score for fun but have the keystone cops for a defence?

    Allardyce would have gotten results, maybe not this season but in time. He's proved it before. Even this season was hardly a disaster, with one or two good recruits in January and a *fit Michael Owen*, they could have pushed on to a very credible top 7 or 8 finish. Something to build on.

    Newcastle fans deserve nothing for their stupidity. They'll never learn. What the hell did they expect Allardyce to do in half a season? He had inherited a club in a bit of a mess with too many overpaid wasters on the playing staff. It was going to take time to sort that out. Shearer won't take it, he has too much savvy than to go near that poisoned chalice for now. He knows the job will be his some day. Any manager would want to be a complete masochist to go near that job at this stage. Worse than the England job!!
    evilhomer wrote:
    Perhaps he was sacked?

    Effectively he was sacked.

    *EDIT*: Grammar correction. The words 'fit' , 'Michael' and 'Owen' do not belong in the same sentence. Bit of a juxtaposition. See 'Damien Duff' for further details.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    He was as sacked as sacked can be


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,562 ✭✭✭leeroybrown


    "It was a shock - I didn't expect it."
    Sounds a little melodramatic to me. I know that having worked for years under Phil Gartside at Bolton Sam was used to having time but he knew well that his job was under serious pressure at The Comedy Club.

    The official announcement appears to have been mutual consent so I'm assuming he was pushed but there are nice severance terms as long as he keeps his mouth shut about what was going on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,563 ✭✭✭kinaldo


    All I can say is GET IN!!! We were going nowhere under Big Sam.

    I was prepared to give Big Sam time and what not, but at the end of the day all we want is decent football and the odd result, and even if this season is a write off maybe someone like Redknapp can offer us that. Maybe they will actually use talent like Martins and Emre at their disposal.

    And I have to say we're lucky to have an owner that can afford to sack Allardyce after the contract Shephard gave him. Whether it was now or in the summer it seemed inevitable at some stage. Sure £20m to Ashley is pittance anyway.


    Skybet has suspended betting on Jose Mourinho. Ashley is fckin loaded so any clauses he had with Chelsea shouldn't be a problem.

    Also, gotta love everyone laughing at us right now. Like we're the first club to sack a manager mid-season. Sure everyone was laughing at us after Stoke, Derby etc. so this doesn't change much. Football is a cut-throat business these days, Ashley is a ruthless businessman. But he's also a fan, so some sort of entertainment is fairly important.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    kinaldo wrote: »
    All I can say is GET IN!!! We were going nowhere under Big Sam. I was prepared to give Big Sam time and what not,.

    obviously you werent prepared to give him time? or do you'd give him time as long as he was playing lovely football?
    kinaldo wrote: »
    but at the end of the day all we want is decent football and the odd result, and even if this season is a write off maybe someone like Redknapp can offer us that. Maybe they will actually use talent like Martins and Emre at their disposal.

    You've had decent football and the odd result for years and years, i thought Newcastle want to move on and compete with the top clubs? Bringing stability is the only way you can do that
    kinaldo wrote: »
    And I have to say we're lucky to have an owner that can afford to sack Allardyce after the contract Shephard gave him. Whether it was now or in the summer it seemed inevitable at some stage. Sure £20m to Ashley is pittance anyway.

    Your owner has wasted this transfer window. why not sack him before Christmas? Why not wait till just before the end of the season? no players will be signed unless they appoint someone very quick, so watever manager takes over, doesnt even really start till next year when they can put their slant on the squad anyway.
    kinaldo wrote: »
    Skybet has suspended betting on Jose Mourinho. Ashley is fckin loaded so any clauses he had with Chelsea shouldn't be a problem.

    Does Jose play that super football that Newcastle fans "deserve"? i wouldnt have thought so. Also i would imagine that Jose has more sense than to take the Newcastle job.
    kinaldo wrote: »
    Also, gotta love everyone laughing at us right now. Like we're the first club to sack a manager mid-season. Sure everyone was laughing at us after Stoke, Derby etc. so this doesn't change much. Football is a cut-throat business these days, Ashley is a ruthless businessman. But he's also a fan, so some sort of entertainment is fairly important.

    Everyone is laughing at you because you have had 8 managers in the last 11 years. And that is quite hilarious. Liverpool (if i'm not mistaken) have had 8 managers since Shankley. People arent laughing cause you lose games, every team loses games, they are laughing because of the way your club is run. People thought Shepard leaving may have spelled the end of that, but it seems not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    To Limerick Dude, and other Toon fans, please inform...WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?

    You are:
    -well supported
    -struggling
    -decades without silverware

    You think you are:
    -"best fans in england"
    -Top 6 quality
    -able to attract star names, "because you're Newcastle"
    -deserving of success

    All last year, after Villa's takoever, we had to endure the players playing above themselves with some good results before we slumped and couldnt buy a win. We never called for MON's head, even if he did have his critics in the stands. It's a little thing called patience. A club like yourself, or Villa, or Everton or [insert name of so called sleeping giant here] have to be prepared to cast off your first season or 2 as "transition". The clip of the "best fans in england" berating Big Sam with the "you dont know what you're doing" chant was just comical. Like you deserve any better :rolleyes:

    So what now? You sack your manager in January transfer window, a new guy has to come in and try sign decent players in 2 weeks or else he's stuck with the same bunch of under performers as his predecessor. Absolutely mental. Even someone like Mourinho would be happy with just keeping you out of the relegation zone and shaping the side for next season. FWIW I never really liked Allardyce, but he seems to be an effective manager because a truly awful Bolton team flourished under his leadership, making themselves the new Wimbledon and getting into Europe in the process. Look at Bolton now, relegation cannon fodder ever since he left. He was the best man for the poisoned chalice that is the Toon job.

    Like I say, Allardyce won't be short of offers anyway. I always liked Newcastle since the Keegan days, despised Sheppard tho. You cannot claim to deserve any more than midtable when you chastise your own manager halfway thru his first season in charge. Like I say, I'm no Big Sam fan but his credentials speak for themselves, yours don't....

    If Shearer takes that job I'll lose all respect for what was one of the greatest goalscorers in modern history. I was in awe of him as a Striker, hopefully he'll run a mile.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,563 ✭✭✭kinaldo


    Mr. Alan, you ask so many questions like I have all the answers. Who knows, in football anything can happen, so stop spouting cliches like every manager needs time, transition periods, Newcastle fans too demanding etc.

    Anyway, I said I was prepared to give Allardyce time, i.e. I wasn't calling for him to be sacked yet. But now that he's gone I'm over it. We have to look forward.

    I still have confidence in Mike Ashley. Let's see how his first managerial appointment turns out before we judge him, shall we?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭herbieflowers


    Should never have gotten rid of Wor Bobby!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    kinaldo wrote: »
    Mr. Alan, you ask so many questions like I have all the answers. Who knows, in football anything can happen, so stop spouting cliches like every manager needs time, transition periods, Newcastle fans too demanding etc.

    Anyway, I said I was prepared to give Allardyce time, i.e. I wasn't calling for him to be sacked yet. But now that he's gone I'm over it. We have to look forward.

    I still have confidence in Mike Ashley. Let's see how his first managerial appointment turns out before we judge him, shall we?

    Cliches? these are cliches for a reason....because they are true.

    Managers need time to turn underperforming poor teams into teams qualifying for Europe year in and year out.

    The fact you said "GET IN!" in response to him being sacked gave me the impression that you were delighted. Apologies if it shouldnt?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Lawreson made a very good point on Football Focus a few weeks back about Newcastle. He said that there's a very large part of the Newcastle support that wouldn't mind losing a game as long as it was a 4-3 thriller.

    The fans really are deluded if they think they can play sexy football week in week out and still be putting it up to the big boys. The best guide to future behaviour is past behaviour and there's nothing in their recent past to suggest they'll be winning anything any time soon.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,677 ✭✭✭genericgoon


    Big Sam for Ireland. Sure it will be just like the Charlton days :D;)


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