colonic irrigation - safe? effective?

ggirl

Hi! I am interested in having colonic irrigation done but am not sure whether it is good for you. I have read other stuff online about it but mostly it is advertising from places that do it. I would really like to hear opinions from anyone who has had it done, thanks.

arybvtcw0eolkf

If your doing it to detox don't waste your money.

Your liver is the best detoxifier known to man, when it doesn't work you die. Its that simple.

davyjose

Mairt wrote: »

If your doing it to detox don't waste your money.

Your liver is the best detoxifier known to man, when it doesn't work you die. Its that simple.

Our livers weren't really designed to put up with modern diets, either were our colons. I'm fairly confident that a helping hand wouldn't be a waste of money.

OP, I know people who've had it done and said it was great, really made a difference. As for safety, the process itself is perfectly safe, as for complications, I've never heard of any, but you never know.

arybvtcw0eolkf

davyjose wrote: »

Our livers weren't really designed to put up with modern diets, either were our colons.

Who says?.

OP if your SERIOUSLY concerned about this get full blood works done by your doc. Liver Function Tests, Kidney Function Tests, ESR's, the lot.

Unless your seriously abusing your body most people regardless of diet should find their bloods fall within normal parameters.

davyjose

Mairt wrote: »

Who says?.

Because the high levels of saturated fats, sodium, refined sugar and preservatives that we get in a modern diet were not available to us for most of the history of our species, therefore when we evolved our livers and colons were designed for the food that was available to us.

I'm not going to get into a semantic argument about what food is or isn't bad for us. I also couldn't name a distinct person "who says" so but I thought it was fairly common knowledge that a lot of the junk people eat puts a strain on our internal organs.

arybvtcw0eolkf

davyjose wrote: »

Because the high levels of saturated fats, sodium, refined sugar and preservatives that we get in a modern diet were not available to us for most of the history of our species, therefore when we evolved our livers and colons were designed for the food that was available to us.

I'm not going to get into a semantic argument about what food is or isn't bad for us. I also couldn't name a distinct person "who says" so but I thought it was fairly common knowledge that a lot of the junk people eat puts a strain on our internal organs.

Like I said, if the OP is seriously concerned with toxicity levels in her body a full blood check will do the job and it will be money well spent.

I know where your coming from, but alot of problems associated with modern living won't be solved by taking a really long, water, scuttery sh*t

Hanley

Mairt wrote: »

Like I said, if the OP is seriously concerned with toxicity levels in her body a full blood check will do the job and it will be money well spent.

I know where your coming from, but alot of problems associated with modern living won't be solved by taking a really long, water, scuttery sh*t

It's funny how a colonic is a perfect parallel to modern life tho eh...?

A quick fix for a long term problem.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Hanley wrote: »

It's funny how a colonic is a perfect parallel to modern life tho eh...?

A quick fix for a long term problem.

Hey just noticed your sig here. My sentiments exactly.

You give good advice (for a young fella ) I'm off to the scratcher, later man.

davyjose

Mairt wrote: »

Like I said, if the OP is seriously concerned with toxicity levels in her body a full blood check will do the job and it will be money well spent.

I know where your coming from, but alot of problems associated with modern living won't be solved by taking a really long, water, scuttery sh*t

Fair enough. I also see wheer you're coming from (and Hanley too) -- deal with the problem, not the symptoms, and I agree. But it's not always easy to, I guess.

I mean, you could say, why brush your teeth - that's what saliva is for. But it doesn't really do the job these days.

Hanley

davyjose wrote: »

Fair enough. I also see wheer you're coming from (and Hanley too) -- deal with the problem, not the symptoms, and I agree. But it's not always easy to, I guess.

I mean, you could say, why brush your teeth - that's what saliva is for. But it doesn't really do the job these days.

Yeahhh.... but don't brush your teeth and they rot. Don't irrigate your colon and it's probably still gonna stay there in one piece!!

Transform

Colonics are for cleansing the colon not the liver and yes i would recommend them and almost all my clients have done them at some stage.

The colon can get sluggish from time to time e.g. xmas, due to lack of activity and junk food, this slows digestion time and can make people bloated and tired.

Will it make you drop fat - no.
Will your stomach feel better after 1-3 colonics - yes (that from my experience).

Easy method to help digestion year round (BTW you should be doing number 2's 2-3 times a day if digestive system is working ok) would be to take psyllium husks and linseeds/flax seeds most days or put into foods e.g. linseeds on poridge.

kaimera

2-3 a day?

Thank christ. Many a time I worried about the number of times I sat on the jacks in a day.

Is there an excessive number?

Transform

Don't mean to get detailed but it depends on the quality i.e. if its like diarrhoea then no but 2-3 a day of normal semi-solid stools is ok.

Yes i talk some **** - just getting all the jokes out of the way.

padi89

IMO its absolute tripe ,more "alternative medicine" rubbish and thats speaking from experience.If your bowel isn't designed to cope with a modern diet then it certainly isn't designed to have water hosed up it.As previously mentioned go see a proper medical doctor if you have any concerns, if your bowel is working fine then DONT do it.

Transform

Padi89 all those that are registered to do colonics are nurses and i for one would never go to a doctor for advice on health as they only deal in treating symptoms with drugs and not long term solutions.

I think i clarified the benefits and when colonics are unecessary.

When you have delt with people looking to get in shape and look their best then i have found the colonics are a quick method but it has lots of practical applications expecially when it comes to impacted faecal waste in a stuffed up colon.

Again will it help you drop fat - no.
Improved digestion (digestion uses up 60% of your available energy)- yes

rubadub

Has anybody heard of some method drinking salty water that is supposed to be similar. Sounded dodgy drinking lots of salt. I think it was meant to make you have extreme diahorrea and flush everything out.

g'em

rubadub wrote: »

Has anybody heard of some method drinking salty water that is supposed to be similar.

I would strongly, strongly urge nobody to do this. It causes extreme cramping, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and terrible discomfort.

I remain slightly sceptical about colonic irrigation, but as Transform says, the likelihood is that it is only beneficial in certain cirmcumstances. For the majority of people however paying more attention to their daily food intake would go a long way towards improving their bowel health.

Degsy

Recommending colonic irrigation is verging on quackery,your bowels are a one-way system,stuff is meant to come out.If stuff doesnt come out there's some sort of a problem and you need to see a doctor and NOT somebody sticking a hose up your arse.This sort of nonsense has become popular again thanks to "DR" Gillian Mckeith and her followers,before that it was last in vogue in victorian times.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Degsy wrote: »

Recommending colonic irrigation is verging on quackery,your bowels are a one-way system,stuff is meant to come out.If stuff doesnt come out there's some sort of a problem and you need to see a doctor and NOT somebody sticking a hose up your arse.This sort of nonsense has become popular again thanks to "DR" Gillian Mckeith and her followers,before that it was last in vogue in victorian times.

Yea, people are just full of sh*t

Roper

So I'm the pub with a mate of mine who is out with a girl for about the second time, and we're yapping away. She goes to the toilet and he tells me she's doing his head in and he's hating the date. He doesn't say much this lad but when he does it's usually gold. Anyway, she comes back and starts waffling about colonic irrigation etc. She's all new agey and bit head wrecking and I can see my mate is thinking "ugh, a whole night in this girls company". (I was leaving a few minutes later) Anyway, he obviously decides he's going to be obnoxious and hope she ditches him, because she keeps going on about the colonic and when she pauses for breath he says "y'know, instead of paying for that you could just go get felched". I nearly spat my drink out but she just looks at him and says "really? Is that supposed to be good?" and he replies "Oh yeah, why don't you ask the guy in the clinic to do that to you first?", and she says "Oh, great I will!"

Man I couldn't get out of there fast enough I thought I was gonna burst myself laughing. The thoughts of that girl walking into that clinic...

Jimmy Bottlehead

LOL, your mate is a legend!

Degsy

Roper wrote: »

So I'm the pub with a mate of mine who is out with a girl for about the second time, and we're yapping away. She goes to the toilet and he tells me she's doing his head in and he's hating the date. He doesn't say much this lad but when he does it's usually gold. Anyway, she comes back and starts waffling about colonic irrigation etc. She's all new agey and bit head wrecking and I can see my mate is thinking "ugh, a whole night in this girls company". (I was leaving a few minutes later) Anyway, he obviously decides he's going to be obnoxious and hope she ditches him, because she keeps going on about the colonic and when she pauses for breath he says "y'know, instead of paying for that you could just go get felched". I nearly spat my drink out but she just looks at him and says "really? Is that supposed to be good?" and he replies "Oh yeah, why don't you ask the guy in the clinic to do that to you first?", and she says "Oh, great I will!"

Man I couldn't get out of there fast enough I thought I was gonna burst myself laughing. The thoughts of that girl walking into that clinic...

As long as its carried out by a trained professional it should be okay:D

The FitnessDock

g'em wrote: »

For the majority of people however paying more attention to their daily food intake would go a long way towards improving their bowel health.

I see colonic irrigation as a supplement rather than a complete solution in itself.

For example, if you want to simply improve your digestion and energy levels, first make all the exercise and nutrition changes you need to make. Then, and only then, should you consider colonic irrigation.

In my experience, I've only ever heard good things about it from others who have gone for sessions. I might give it a go and post about my experiences!

PAUL

padi89

oops

padi89

Transform wrote: »

Padi89 all those that are registered to do colonics are nurses and i for one would never go to a doctor for advice on health as they only deal in treating symptoms with drugs and not long term solutions.

I think i clarified the benefits and when colonics are unecessary.

When you have delt with people looking to get in shape and look their best then i have found the colonics are a quick method but it has lots of practical applications expecially when it comes to impacted faecal waste in a stuffed up colon.

Again will it help you drop fat - no.
Improved digestion (digestion uses up 60% of your available energy)- yes

Registered qualified Nurses? Not doubting you but can you provide evidence of this?As far as doctors go you should see a professional qualified GP or Consultant if you are having any issues not some alternative therapy.Any good doctor will give you sound advice for a problem and how to deal with it if its an on going problem.That doctors only use drugs etc to solve a problem is a great saying in the quackery field, the thing is at least most of these drugs have had and proven clinical trials.Impacted faeces, strange that,when i put that to a gastrointestinal surgeon he told me in all his years of surgery he has never come across this phenomena, its pure quackery.
How you say it can aid digestion is beyond me,the workings of your bowel is already a complicated process,washing the thing out will have no benefits.If anything your washing out the bacteria in there already needed and risk perforating or stretching the bowel wall.OP look at your diet,go visit your GP before you even think about colonics.

Degsy

I was pretty sure the term "impacted fecal waste" was not a medical term so i put it into google..the only results i've managed to get are from "alternative" health sites..one of which is called "cleansethacolon.com"..hardly a vested interest i think you'll agree.The fact is that people dont have "5-10lbs of impacted fecal waste" lodged in thier bowels,its a myth dreamed up to sell colonic irrigation "therapy".If people are encouraged to seek new-age therapies instead of proven medical advice they run the risk of seriously damaging thier health.Hucksters are out to make a quick buck off the back of popular ignorance.

sunnyjim

Padi89 all those that are registered to do colonics are nurses

A nurse is a nurse. A doctor probably wouldn't stick a hose up your ass and pump electrolytically-balanced water up you, so why would you trust a nurse?

I'm gonna vote for the au natural method - anything thats in me is something that I've put in there. And I have a rather symbiotic relationship with some of the things living in there!!

Transform

padi89 wrote: »

Registered qualified Nurses? Not doubting you but can you provide evidence of this?As far as doctors go you should see a professional qualified GP or Consultant if you are having any issues not some alternative therapy.Any good doctor will give you sound advice for a problem and how to deal with it if its an on going problem.That doctors only use drugs etc to solve a problem is a great saying in the quackery field, the thing is at least most of these drugs have had and proven clinical trials.Impacted faeces, strange that,when i put that to a gastrointestinal surgeon he told me in all his years of surgery he has never come across this phenomena, its pure quackery.
How you say it can aid digestion is beyond me,the workings of your bowel is already a complicated process,washing the thing out will have no benefits.If anything your washing out the bacteria in there already needed and risk perforating or stretching the bowel wall.OP look at your diet,go visit your GP before you even think about colonics.

Quackery field - colonics or enemas have been used for hundreds of years.

So lets say you go to your doctor and ask for help because you have not been able to got for a dump in a few days hell a week even. Whats he going to do - prescribe a laxative which have a harmful effect on bowel bacteria (which are replaced at the end of a colonic by good practioners). Also the laxatives can be addictive as your body can then rely on them for normal bowel function.

Don't get me started on clinicial trials etc eg Vioxx (pulled as those taking it started to have heart attacks) and SSRI's (higher rates of sucide etc), cholesterol lowering drugs (no effect on overall mortality).

Yes doctors are very important to visit if you are sick and have certain conditions and are central to the health service industry. Colonics should be seen as a last resort not a quick fix and can certainly help those who's bowels are not functioning properly (as i stated before) due to stress, excessive junk food or IBS.

Degsy

Transform wrote: »

Yes doctors are very important to visit if you are sick and have certain conditions and are central to the health service industry.

Glad to hear it,i'd rather be treated by somebody with a sound medical background than somebody who shakes bones and burns incense.

padi89

Transform wrote: »

Quackery field - colonics or enemas have been used for hundreds of years.

So lets say you go to your doctor and ask for help because you have not been able to got for a dump in a few days hell a week even. Whats he going to do - prescribe a laxative which have a harmful effect on bowel bacteria (which are replaced at the end of a colonic by good practioners). Also the laxatives can be addictive as your body can then rely on them for normal bowel function.

Don't get me started on clinicial trials etc eg Vioxx (pulled as those taking it started to have heart attacks) and SSRI's (higher rates of sucide etc), cholesterol lowering drugs (no effect on overall mortality).

Yes doctors are very important to visit if you are sick and have certain conditions and are central to the health service industry. Colonics should be seen as a last resort not a quick fix and can certainly help those who's bowels are not functioning properly (as i stated before) due to stress, excessive junk food or IBS.

And so what if they have been used for hundreds of years what the is that meant to prove?They are still not recommended by the medical field.
If i were constipated of course id go to a Doctor.After all they are medically qualified to deal with the problem and prescribe the correct course of treatment.If its a laxative im fine with that as il know it has been tested on medical trial and all the possible side effects will be listed.Constipation will not be solved by flushing out your insides,once you start eating again you'll be back to square one, so colonics are no long term treatment either.Do you tell people of the possible side effects of having a colonic?
As for feeling great after wars well of course they will.Everyday i take a dump i feel great after it ,don't most?.The only difference is you sh1t out more so you may as well just take a load of Epson salts as it will have the same effect.I would also be sure that you recommend a change it diet in conjunction with the therapy which once again any positive change in diet will result in feeling a bit better.
Every drug has a possible side effect from over the counter to prescribed so its nothing new to have a reaction.Once again its from someone medically qualified il take this advice.There is no point in mentioning excessive junk food because thats just stating the obvious,if you put rubbish in your not going to benefit.IBS is a huge problem world wide and is still not understood fully by the medical industry,these are areas alternative medicine love to latch onto.We have the answer do a colonic,in all fairness if it had any proven impact on IBS or stress then why is it not recommended by professionals?
Please, no conspiracy.
By the way please don't take my posting as a personal attack on you, its not meant that way.Its just my opinion and experience on alternative medicines and therapys.

ali.c

I am just curious how easy it would be to get funding to perform a clinical trial on an alternative treatment?

the majority of clinical trials are funded by drug companies and are expensive to conduct so it would in some way account for the fact that there is less certified evidence as to the effectiveness.

I am neither pro or against btw it just occured to me.

but i dont believe that just because someone went to medical school means they have all the solutions either. Historically there has been many incidences in the past where the medical industry has made mistakes and i am sure that there will be more in the future. I dont believe in putting blind faith in a profession, as with everything else you have good and bad doctors etc.

Transform

Exactly - the funding comes from drug companies that want to make billions.

There is no money in finding a cure for anything and this is one of the reasons the alternative medical industry can be pilloried. Look at all the research thats come out on the benefits of fish oils for everything from depression to joint pain.

Colonics WILL of course resolve constipation and there are no know dangerous side effects that i know of in the same way there are no know side affects of having a dump as you stated.

Finally, exploring the alternative field has always led to advancement in health and people deserve the opportunity to explore all avenues. Remember not so long ago weight training and running were considered harmful and for odd balls!

Canis Lupus

All-bran does the trick for me.

I have better things to do with my money than turn my arse into a water feature.

Degsy

Transform wrote: »

Exactly - the funding comes from drug companies that want to make billions.

There is no money in finding a cure for anything and this is one of the reasons the alternative medical industry can be pilloried. Look at all the research thats come out on the benefits of fish oils for everything from depression to joint pain.

Colonics WILL of course resolve constipation and there are no know dangerous side effects that i know of in the same way there are no know side affects of having a dump as you stated.

Finally, exploring the alternative field has always led to advancement in health and people deserve the opportunity to explore all avenues. Remember not so long ago weight training and running were considered harmful and for odd balls!

I've never heard of an "alternative health" practitioner that worked for nothing either,these people are as out to make money as medical professionals they just dont have the qualifications to back it up.Its a well-known fact that there are charlatans within the unregulated "alternative health" industry who bullshiit people out of thousands of pounds and quite often have a negative impact on thier health.There have been several recent cases in Ireland where people have died as a result of persuing worthless cures out of desperation when its likely medical science would have cured them.Take homeopathy for example,the basic tenant is that if you dilute a compound 4 trillion times with ordinary water it somehow enhances its curative powers,this is the equivelent of dumping a teaspoon of belladonna in the irish sea and telling the "patient" it has curative properties.Complete garbage.Now,homeopathy is unlikey to kill anybody as such,it may just be keeping a seriously ill person from receiving proper,medically-proven treatment in favour of some snake-oil nonsense.Any voodoo-alternative-health-quack who claims to be doing it out of pure altruism is a bloody liar,these people are driven by sheer love of money.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5007118.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/nov/16/sciencenews.g2
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article_id=451908&in_page_id=1774
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/gastro.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9252839

The last link above debunks the myth of colonic irrigation quite nicely.

Canis Lupus

So many people laugh/shake their head at watching Africans ignoring real doctors and visiting witch doctors and shamans for treatment for all range of maladies.

Then we turn right around and visit our equivalent except our witch doctors and shamans wear suits and have an office.

Humans are a strange bunch of people.

hunnymonster

There are indirect undesirable side effects Transform. There are plenty of studies (in reputable peer reviewed journals such as J Clin Gastro) that deal with the damage done by perforating the colon during a CI. I realise this is not an intended outcome but it does appear to happen with reasonable frequency going on the numbers of case studies provided. There is also no clinical evidence that CI has any health benefits for an individual with no medical need for one. CI is used for treatment (or symptom relief) on some colonic diseases, carcinomas as far as I can understand but maybe a MD could tell us more.

Having said that, the idea does intrigue me. When I go travelling, the long periods of inactivity sometimes leave me bloated and the relief when you have a good s**t after this is amazing. I imagine that's what CI must feel like. That in itself is not enough to convince me to take the quantified risk though.

Racing Flat

Transform wrote: »

(BTW you should be doing number 2's 2-3 times a day if digestive system is working ok)

Wow, after I've spent my whole life thinking I had a problem of going too often - wait till I tell my once a day friends that it's them with the problem the constipated bXXXXds!!!

Smellyirishman

I don't have a particular stance on the subject but this is good for a smile or two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8uZUDuSWxI

Degsy

hunnymonster wrote: »

There are indirect undesirable side effects Transform. There are plenty of studies (in reputable peer reviewed journals such as J Clin Gastro) that deal with the damage done by perforating the colon during a CI. I realise this is not an intended outcome but it does appear to happen with reasonable frequency going on the numbers of case studies provided. There is also no clinical evidence that CI has any health benefits for an individual with no medical need for one. CI is used for treatment (or symptom relief) on some colonic diseases, carcinomas as far as I can understand but maybe a MD could tell us more.

Having said that, the idea does intrigue me. When I go travelling, the long periods of inactivity sometimes leave me bloated and the relief when you have a good s**t after this is amazing. I imagine that's what CI must feel like. That in itself is not enough to convince me to take the quantified risk though.

I wonder what crap will be touted by charlatans next..Healthy Vomiting perhaps,Bloodletting,Leeches.Complete bollocks.

PeakOutput

that video is hilarious. however i find it very hard to believe that some wasted oes not back up

also a ci is not an alternative procedure it is a medical procedure ashunnymonster already said its just its application that is in dispute so comparing it to alternative medicine is a bit a stupid.

also as far as i know there are numerous studies that say acupuncture works but many(all??) doctors will still not prescribe it.

if your talking about clinical trials then thousands of years of use in many civilisations sounds like the biggest trial thats ever taken place to me(both ci and acupuncture)

i would get a ci to top all my other healthy lifestyle off if i ever decide to make them and i would get it once. im completely anti alternative accept for the two things iv mentioned but blindly following a doctors advice could be just as dangerous

PeakOutput

Degsy wrote: »

Leeches.Complete bollocks.

??????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leech
http://www.livescience.com/health/050419_maggots.html
http://www.leeches.biz/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3858087.stm
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1743646


interesting how a once thought of alternative treatment is now a widely accepted form of treatment by "qualified doctors"

Transform

There is no medical need to train any harder to get bigger, fitter, faster etc but people do this anyway to look their best.

I do not want to go into homeopathy as thats a massive leap from bloody CI.

Take from your advice from those who have done one imo

Racing Flat

Belief in things non-evidence-based is not confined to alternative medicine/therapy though - it's all walks of life - look at the claims all of these moisturers/shampoos etc etc make. I know people who wear moisturises every day because they are afraid that if they don't they will start to look older. Not based on any knowledge of evidence to this effect, but due to fear, or good marketing or whatever. Mind-boggling.

The funny thing is that as traditional medicine strives to be evidence-based, if evidence was found for e.g. colonic irigation, the medics would start to prescribe this, they'd probably even be obliged to!

So simple solution to pro CI folk - get the evidence!

Racing Flat

PeakOutput wrote: »

if your talking about clinical trials then thousands of years of use in many civilisations sounds like the biggest trial thats ever taken place to me(both ci and acupuncture)

The problem is that over the thousand years the treatments weren't randomised, controlled, blind, placebo effect wasn't taken into account, etc etc, hence the clinical trials need to be done now.

As far as I am aware the majority of medics are happy for a patient to have acupuncture now as there is some evidence that it works just a bit of confusion as to how exactly. But even at that, it's not that simple, if you have a slipped disc giving you back pain, well acupuncture may be effective for back pain and so help relive the pain or the symptom of the slipped disc. So a medic may not refer for acupuncture but instead refer to a surgeon who may be able to do something for the slipped disc in an attempt to fix the source of the symptoms, rather than just the symptoms, which may be a better long term solution

padi89

PeakOutput wrote: »

also a ci is not an alternative procedure it is a medical procedure ashunnymonster already said its just its application that is in dispute so comparing it to alternative medicine is a bit a stupid.

also as far as i know there are numerous studies that say acupuncture works but many(all??) doctors will still not prescribe it.

A medical procedure?Can you please give any evidence or links to this please?The closest thing to an IC in medical terms is a small (phosphorus?) enema used before a colonoscopy and before this a laxative is used.I would assume if there was any benefits to using a IC to clean you out for this procedure it would be used.As it stands it is alternative medicine.
There are just as many studies to say acupuncture is absolute rubbish and is nothing more than a placebo effect.You either believe or you don't and speaking from experience its bull.

PeakOutput

i was taking hunnymonster at his word tbh but re-reading the sentence i could of misinterpretted it

hunnymonster wrote: »

CI is used for treatment (or symptom relief) on some colonic diseases, carcinomas as far as I can understand but maybe a MD could tell us more.

a quick google shows its considered alternative. i cant defend the indefensible it was an uninformed sentence.

while it matters little weather or not acupuncture is a placebo effect or not i dont think it is

Degsy

Transform wrote: »

There is no medical need to train any harder to get bigger, fitter, faster etc but people do this anyway to look their best.

I do not want to go into homeopathy as thats a massive leap from bloody CI.

Take from your advice from those who have done one imo

Train harder-get b igger,fatser etc,people do it because it works.Its a proven method of achieving goals within the framework of physical training.Colonic irrigation is proven to do what exactly?Seeking advice from somebody who's done one is like asking a smoker do they think there's anything wrong with cigarettes.

Roper

PeakOutput wrote: »

if your talking about clinical trials then thousands of years of use in many civilisations sounds like the biggest trial thats ever taken place to me(both ci and acupuncture)

Yes, superstitious people with limited knowledge of biology couldn't possibly have been wrong.

"Tradition" can mask a lot of mistruths.

Racing Flat

Transform wrote: »

The colon can get sluggish from time to time e.g. xmas, due to lack of activity and junk food, this slows digestion time and can make people bloated and tired..

so say someone comes to you saying they are bloated and tired, do you do an examination and then decide whether they need CI or not or does the client just get given CI regardless? The worry is that if they are feeling bloated and tired due to a medical condition rather than lack of activity and junk food, this may get missed if you do not examine, or do not have the skills of examination to detect such cases, and therefore they may not get the treatment they need.

Racing Flat

Transform wrote: »

i for one would never go to a doctor for advice on health as they only deal in treating symptoms with drugs and not long term solutions.

And statements like this really worry me that you would be unlikely tio refer someone to a doctor no matter what you found.

Such a sweping generalisation - surely you don't mean it?

Degsy

Racing Flat wrote: »

And statements like this really worry me that you would be unlikely tio refer someone to a doctor no matter what you found.

Such a sweping generalisation - surely you don't mean it?

Its a "new age" attitude born of arrogance and mysticism,it has and does,kill people.