Shooting in Cranmore

nanook

Guys

Just heard something about a shooting in Cranmore, what happened.
Anyone want to update us, I will have to wait until the next news bulletin for an update

Gillie

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0105/sligo.html

Wonder if its related to what's go on there before.
Very sad for the ppl who live there.

Gillie

I heard who it was.

He won't be missed. Trust me!

redarmyblues

It seems to be related to a murder that took place there two years ago, and no he certainly won't be missed. He was bad to the bone, but he was possesed of an certain personal charm which he sometimes choose to use.

I expect Plod will be left scracthing his head again.

Basq

Gillie wrote: »

I heard who it was.

He won't be missed. Trust me!

Yep, as did I.

And agreed.

blue shimmering

Gillie wrote: »

I heard who it was.

He won't be missed. Trust me!

Heard who it was too, <SNIP>- don't know the man so cannot comment on that, feel it is unfortunate that comment like he will not be missed have to be put out in the public arena? These people do have families and also what about the 12 year old boy who was injured and had to see what happened, it is a very traumatic event for everyone involved and think it is not the right way to go - think about the young couple who got engaged on New Years Day in Sligo and were attacked by three so call men - pushed to the ground and punched, kicked and beaten! She just had a baby a few months ago and is now suffering with a fractured eye, and other physical injuries - how can this be right! I think there is no excuse for this level of violence which today ended in a man losing his life, do not know if they are related to each other but think they are not!

These people need to hang their heads in shame!

Blue Shimmering

Edit by muffler: Until the name is officially released by the Gardai we dont need names posted here.

Basq

Blue Shimmering,

Could you possibly remove your naming of the deceased? It hasn't been confirmed (as far as i know) and is not in public knowledge yet.

Mint Sauce

some of us may know, or assume it may be relaeted to events in the area in the last few years, but for sake of whoever envolved, think should avoid naming indivuadals, and making comments surounding them and the events in the forum till all facts are estabilished, even then would i be wary of doing it, am sure theres someting in the charter on this

redarmyblues

There is a new rumour and name floating around the txtosphere that suggests the killing is not fued related. If previous killings in Sligo are anything to go by I expect we will never know for sure.

nanook

blue shimmering wrote: »

Heard who it was too, <SNIP>- don't know the man so cannot comment on that, feel it is unfortunate that comment like he will not be missed have to be put out in the public arena? These people do have families and also what about the 12 year old boy who was injured and had to see what happened, it is a very traumatic event for everyone involved and think it is not the right way to go - think about the young couple who got engaged on New Years Day in Sligo and were attacked by three so call men - pushed to the ground and punched, kicked and beaten! She just had a baby a few months ago and is now suffering with a fractured eye, and other physical injuries - how can this be right! I think there is no excuse for this level of violence which today ended in a man losing his life, do not know if they are related to each other but think they are not!

These people need to hang their heads in shame!




Blue Shimmering.[/I]

Have to agree with the sentiments here, it is someone son, bother, uncle etc. Yes the guy maybe a scumbag and everyother title that goes with it but remember he is someone's family.

I am not excusing what has happened, if he was shot/excuted then you live by the sword, then you die by the sword.

blue shimmering

nanook wrote: »

Have to agree with the sentiments here, it is someone son, bother, uncle etc. Yes the guy maybe a scumbag and everyother title that goes with it but remember he is someone's family.

I am not excusing what has happened, if he was shot/excuted then you live by the sword, then you die by the sword.

Hi Nanook,

I wish to apologies for posting a name and then I had to go out and was not on line until now - very sorry! I heard the name mentioned on Ocean FM so thought it was in the public domain, I am from Donegal Town so do not know any of these people at all just feel it is a shame to say something like 'he will not be missed believe me' etc.... I am new online to this forum so hopefully my apology will be accepted and it will not happen again I promise!

Keep up the comments - I am really interested in seeing what others think of different issues, and to the moderators keep up the good work and I do know now with hindsight that I shouldn't have mentioned the name - really sorry!

Best wishes,

blue shimmering

nanook

blue thanks for coming back to us on this,

muffler

blue shimmering wrote: »

Hi Nanook,

I wish to apologies for posting a name and then I had to go out and was not on line until now - very sorry! I heard the name mentioned on Ocean FM so thought it was in the public domain, I am from Donegal Town so do not know any of these people at all just feel it is a shame to say something like 'he will not be missed believe me' etc.... I am new online to this forum so hopefully my apology will be accepted and it will not happen again I promise!

Keep up the comments - I am really interested in seeing what others think of different issues, and to the moderators keep up the good work and I do know now with hindsight that I shouldn't have mentioned the name - really sorry!

Best wishes,

blue shimmering

Dont be apologising to nanook - he's from Leitrim

No harm done. You are new here and really didnt do much wrong other than post up the name of the deceased which I removed. However if it had already been given out on Ocean FM then it was probably Ok anyways but I wasnt aware of that.

A few people here knew the man in question and have expressed a personal opinion that he wouldnt be missed. While its something that some people may find offensive we dont really have a problem with anyone stating an opinion as to whether they liked the person or not. However if someone stated that they didnt like him because he was this or that or done this or that then that is a completely different matter.

Welcome to the forum.

gustavo

http://www.oceanfm.ie/onair/sligoleitrimnews.php?articleid=000002421

Drag00n79

Gillie wrote: »

I heard who it was. He won't be missed. Trust me!

The glibness and arrogance of that comment has taken me aback.

nanook

Shamrok wrote: »

The glibness and arrogance of that comment has taken me aback.

why, it is a personal expression. I take it that it is an educated statement and not one made liberally

As I have previously stated, some ones family member has died but you choose your own destiny in life

Drag00n79

nanook wrote: »

why, it is a personal expression. I take it that it is an educated statement and not one made liberally
As I have previously stated, sokeones family member has died but you choose your own destiny in life

Why? Well, I said "glib and arrogant" because the statement about him "not going to be missed" was made within twelve hours of the man dying. But even ignoring that - of course, he is going to be missed by family and friends. Saying anything different to that is absurd, in my opinion. That's my "personal expression".

nanook

A minute after the death is a safe point to say someone is not going to be missed.

il gatto

As long as other people don't get caught up, leave them at it. It's therefore unfortunate a twelve year old should be anywhere near such an event. These recent killings at least didn't happen on a busy street like the McGinley murder.
Will this be the fourth "unsolved" murder in the last couple of years? Makes you wonder what the Guards are doing all day (apart from stopping me for random breath tests. 8 times last year:()
I saw the Super being interviewed and he said they had no idea if these killings are linked. Hope he was playing dumb, as I'm sure they must be privvy to the rumour mill that is Sligo town.
Sorry for his family, but I, like most, won't miss the likes of him.

SligoBrewer

il gatto wrote: »

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Sorry for his family, but I, like most, won't miss the likes of him.

I agree, Sligo could do without <SNIP>.

Edit by muffler: Just be careful with the verbals please

red bellied

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/armed-robber-is-shot-dead-after-hunting-rabbits-1258779.html

muffler

Shamrok wrote: »

The glibness and arrogance of that comment has taken me aback.

This might give you a clue as to why the deceased was unpopular with people.


Edit: Oops I just see the link has already been posted above.

Drag00n79

muffler wrote: »

This might give you a clue as to why the deceased was unpopular with people.

Thanks for your "clue" but I knew about the deceased already.

Gillie

Shamrok wrote: »

The glibness and arrogance of that comment has taken me aback.

Sorry if I offended you but I stand by what I said. Live by the sword...
I don't have time for ppl who choose not to contribute to society and choose a life of crime.

I feel sorry for his family but not for him.

nanook

I just read the newspaper section and speaking as one who has been held up in an armed robbery with a shotgun to my face, one less is not a bad thing.

This may not be the correct way to express feelings but I know for a long time I was badly shaken by those bastards, police never got them.

There is no justification for armed robbery only than for the wrong cause.

Muffler if I have overstepped the line please edit, but I have a serious problem with this kind of thing.

I stand by my words but I still offer my respects to his family.

nicolaonfire

Boo

JoeyJJ

The Artic Monkeys had a song title which reflects the general feeling towards him, but Im sure all his family isn't bad. Another bad story for Cranmore and the good people who live there who largly out number the undesirables.

Sin scéal eile

Growing up in Co. Sligo I had plenty of friends in Cranmore (not ones involved in crime I hasten to add).

Cranmore was a bad place then, but it seems to be getting worse day by day.

l3LoWnA

nanook wrote: »

Have to agree with the sentiments here, it is someone son, bother, uncle etc. Yes the guy maybe a scumbag and everyother title that goes with it but remember he is someone's family.

I am not excusing what has happened, if he was shot/excuted then you live by the sword, then you die by the sword.

Yes, he was someones father, son, brother etc...and my heart goes out to his poor Mother and children etc.....but I have to say I don't disagree with what other posters have said. There are many people in this area who have been affected or know someone who has been affected in a negative way by this guys actions in the past...<deleted.....way too much ranting...>

I feel so sorry for that 12 year old, no kid should have to witness or be a part of something like that, but what was the 12 year olds parents thinking letting him go out hunting (or whatever they were doing) with <SNIP> in the first place?!

Mostly though, I feel sorry for the decent people of Cranmore (who are in the majority) who have had their area tarred once again, by these scumbags.

nanook

Sin scéal eile wrote: »

Growing up in Co. Sligo I had plenty of friends in Cranmore (not ones involved in crime I hasten to add).

Cranmore was a bad place then, but it seems to be getting worse day by day.

I agree, I have known sligo since I was 6 and that was neither yesterday or today, and Cranmore always had a reputation. A reputation for being rough and that was it, families fought and aired their problems in public. That was it. I knew a couple of families in Cranmore and they were/are salt of the earth.

My rant has noting to do with Cranmore.

blue shimmering

muffler wrote: »

Dont be apologising to nanook - he's from Leitrim

No harm done. You are new here and really didnt do much wrong other than post up the name of the deceased which I removed. However if it had already been given out on Ocean FM then it was probably Ok anyways but I wasnt aware of that.

A few people here knew the man in question and have expressed a personal opinion that he wouldnt be missed. While its something that some people may find offensive we dont really have a problem with anyone stating an opinion as to whether they liked the person or not. However if someone stated that they didnt like him because he was this or that or done this or that then that is a completely different matter.

Welcome to the forum.

Hi Muffler,

No problem, when I feel I am wrong I put my hands up and admit it - it is usually the best course of action! Anyway, I am busy today just having done my first exam in Business Accountancy and think I did ok, so I am happy! I am in First Year and have Economics on Wednesday 9am, anyone have any ideas of how to remember all the formulae, eek eek I do not like economics - help!

It is a long way from the original topic but all comments would be appreciated, and I will not hold living in leitrim against Nanook its nearly as beautiful as Donegal! The people are so genuine, I think and it is a pity it has been split for the elections! Though a certain politician who was involved with Donegal farmers didn't get back in which I think was a good thing!

Best wishes,

blue shimmering

CountingCrows

And I get hassle for going off topic! :rolleyes:

blue shimmering

CountingCrows wrote: »

And I get hassle for going off topic! :rolleyes:

Ops sorry, I am glad to see that the innocent young boy is recovering from his injuries but it will take a lot more to treat all his emotional scars. I did read all about this man who was murdered and he did seem to be a bad character but if we all went out every time we fell out with someone or didn't like someone and killed/executed them what type of world would we live in?

I am glad I do not live close to this to be honest and I hope all these shady characters are brought to justice - which is another thing that should change to make it harder for criminals to work in our society!

Best wishes,

blue shimmering

CountingCrows

CountingCrows wrote: »

And I get hassle for going off topic! :rolleyes:

Only mess'n blue

il gatto

Justice? A rare commodity in Ireland. In the unlikely event that people are arrested for this murder (going by recent cases of a similar nature in Sligo), the Irish Judiciary will probably impose a super leniant sentence, ensuring the killer will be back on the streets within 5-7 years at most. One man from Sligo was convicted of "manslaughter" in the past few years. He kicked a man to death in an alleyway. He was back wandering around Sligo after 18 months. If I hadn't witnessed the person in question trying to get into a nightclub (and failing) in the queue ahead of me, I wouldn't have believed our country put such a low price on human life.
Interestinly, the most recent victim had connections to the man who shot Charlie Chawke in an armed robbery. (source:Irish Independent). Chawke survived, but the shooter received a life sentence. In the last month, Chawke has been implicated in the Bertie-Digout affair. Apparently the well being of certain members of our society is worth infinitely more than most people's lives.

blue shimmering

il gatto wrote: »

Justice? A rare commodity in Ireland. In the unlikely event that people are arrested for this murder (going by recent cases of a similar nature in Sligo), the Irish Judiciary will probably impose a super leniant sentence, ensuring the killer will be back on the streets within 5-7 years at most. One man from Sligo was convicted of "manslaughter" in the past few years. He kicked a man to death in an alleyway. He was back wandering around Sligo after 18 months. If I hadn't witnessed the person in question trying to get into a nightclub (and failing) in the queue ahead of me, I wouldn't have believed our country put such a low price on human life.
Interestinly, the most recent victim had connections to the man who shot Charlie Chawke in an armed robbery. (source:Irish Independent). Chawke survived, but the shooter received a life sentence. In the last month, Chawke has been implicated in the Bertie-Digout affair. Apparently the well being of certain members of our society is worth infinitely more than most people's lives.

Was anyone listening to Ocean FM this morning - there was a big discussion on this and general criminal activity in Sligo on the morning show? It was a very lively debate and worth a listen to - think it will be repeated after 2am tonight at http://www.oceanfm.ie going into the live broadcasting!

The crime correspondent from the Sunday World was on - I am not going to name him having got into trouble before but he made some very interesting points! First of all about members of the general public being intimidated and bullied into not coming forward with information that can get these 'scum bags' put in prison! The threat of violence again themselves or their families make it impossible for law abiding citizens to do their duty and put these people behind bars! He went on to point out that this happened in Limerick 15 or so years ago and now it has spun completely out of control! If our attitude is to let these 'low lifes' kill each other do we not condon the violence that they are committing?

I agree with him in that to put our heads in the sand is easy but at what price in 15 years time when our families/children cannot go outside because they could be in the wrong place at the wrong time - this is what happened to the young 12 year old boy and also to be honest his parent should not have let him go with someone who had such a bad criminal record! At the same time when living in towns it is very difficult to keep tabs on children and where they are etc... but after 12 at night - come on!

The crime correspondent did also mention associations with the man mentioned above saying that he was an uncle - the family of the deceased then rang in to say the this man was not related to their family or the deceased, don't know which is right but it was sort of chilling to know that these criminals could also be listening and taking notes for future reference - I am not referring to his family but the criminal element that he is associated with! His funeral is on today as far as I am aware so to be honest I cannot figure out how they (the family) would have been tuned in!

The crime correspondent also pointed out that the criminal gangs were now using the gardai omubusman (don't think I have that spelt properly but to lazy to go and look it up in the dictionary) to complain about gardai in the country and were lowering the morale of the force - meaning that they were using this system of checking up on our justice system to their advantage! This was set up for every citizen in the country to have a place to go if they felt they were being treated unfairly etc but criminal are hijacking this to try and intimidate the decent (mostly) members of our gardai to not take the risks associated with their job to bring these people to justice! Someone hanging on your shoulder is not nice for anyone and they could then feel why bother just go in do 8 hours and go home - easier! Seemly the omubusman's office can just land in a station and just collect what they want without explanation? That is what he said this morning, at the same time I know we do need safe guards there but why should known criminal be allowed to use them at our expense?

I think we all as ordinary people need to stand up and be counted - if these criminals do not have customers they will soon fizzle out, some very high profile members of our society have been funding these criminal in using drugs for their own personal use! The buck has to stop with us and we have to sit up and say enough is enough - if the whole town of Sligo stood up with the gardai and said this is it we are giving evidence, statements etc and hundreds of people went in what would these criminal do then? Would they start a mass murder campaign, I don't think so - I think they would run away scared because at the end of the day they are cowards all of them but when they think they have power they will use it against us!

Do listen to the programme if you can tonight - there maybe a way of getting it now online to repeat what was said but I don't know how to access that, maybe someone else could enlighten us?

Best wishes,

blue shimmering

JoeyJJ

Nice piece shim, The trouble is you need someone strong to start the fightback and they need to attract alot of other brave people before the masses will allign behind them and fight the scum.

Honest people have alot to lose by standing up to them and the scum use whatever they can to insure the don't get caught. Intimidation is so easy to carry out and hard to prove or stand up to.

Sin scéal eile

nanook wrote: »

A reputation for being rough and that was it, families fought and aired their problems in public. That was it.

Yeah, none of the shootings that's going on now.

Having said Cranmore was a bad place then, I still had no fear to walk there late at night alone, I wouldn't dare do that now.

Of course there were family fueds back then, but they were sorted verbally - at worse with fists - but no-one got killed.

JoeyJJ

I'd walk through Cranmore no problem day or night, happen to be from there well the more peaceful part of it.

blue shimmering

JoeyJJ wrote: »

I'd walk through Cranmore no problem day or night, happen to be from there well the more peaceful part of it.

The problem JoeyJJ is that if no one stands up now it will only get worse, there are stats there to prove it! I wouldn't walk down the streets of Donegal Town on my own late at night never mind any part of Sligo Town! That is not a reflection on Sligo or Donegal it is only being SAFE rather than SORRY, oh for the days that the doors could remain on the latch.......Don't think we will ever see them again but really people need to get up of their behinds now before its to late to save their towns and villages!

One person can do very little - just look at Veronica Gerin as an example and I am sure all crime reporters are under these threats that is why I thought the Sunday World Crime report was very brave this morning and I lift my hat off to him (if I had one on that is), mind you the weather we are predicted to get, a hat will not be much use!

By the way I have never been to Cranmore, don't know if that is a good or bad thing?

Best wishes,

blue shimmering

il gatto

Garda morale? They're well paid to do a job. In the private sector, telling your boss your morale is low doesn't go very far. The Guards are saying morale is low because of the ombudsman now. The other excuse is judges letting criminals walk out of court. If they worked as janitors and told the boss that they didn't empty bins as they'd only be full again the next day, they'd be fired. Their job is to catch criminals and present them in court with the evidence to hand for the prosecution legal team. It's neither here nor there what happens after they've given their evidence.
Guards have a decently paid job for life with a good pension at the end of it. The very least we should expect is that they do a decent job for the tax money that pays their wages. I personally don't feel we're getting much value for money from the Gardai. We all get stopped by gruff Gardai with no manners and inquisitioned on the side of the road about where we're going, coming from, what we're driving, breath checked etc. When you're the victim of some crime however, see how much they care about your well being. They're amaturish, lazy and ignorant to the public alot of the time. Not all obviously, but in far too many cases that's the truth.

tuppence

The garda have to take some reponsibility for the lack of compliance that they get from the general public. There has been institutional problems that appear to be only slowly addressed now as they come under the spotlight with the the Donegal case etc. Up until recently whan the obudsman took over the Complaints system was a process of gardai themselves "looking into" complaints. (Think thats still the case for the legal system. ) They are been brought kicking and screaming into the 21st century when it come to their systems and admin. This does'nt give confidence to the public surely? This must also be dissapointing for those trying to do the job. Even now the website is archiac. You practically have to sit in a room with the commissioner before you enter!
http://www.garda.ie/