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Atmosphere at football grounds?

  • 03-01-2008 03:08PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭


    Just reading Fergie's comments on how Old Trafford was "dead" in terms of atmosphere against Birmingham. The Independent MU fans rep Colin Hendrie said that that was due to the police state nature of Old Trafford security who, allegedly, expel from the ground those who stand up.

    With the prices of tickets spiralling out of control (pricing many loyal and hardcore fans out of the game) added to the all-seater stadia do people feel the atmosphere at games is diminshing?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Being forced to sit down is a joke imo.

    Football is an emotional game and as such, people will be jumping, standing, ranting and shouting at matches. To take this away is foolish, and will cause a backlash.

    Also, the amount of people at games who don't know the chants is increasing all the time. Football in England has become more of a "family day out" than the "get pissed up and go to the game" heyday of the 1970s.

    I mean, look at the words of some of the hate filled chants, Build a Bonfire for example. You aren't going to get Little Johnnie 11-Year-Old and his little sister at games with their mother and father getting involved in these kinds of chants, or, in fact, Little Li the Asian Teenager on a "trip of a lifetime" from Kuala Lumpur. These people don't chant, they want the comfort that they have when sitting at home watching on the TV.

    There should be proper reserved spaces for standing and chanting.

    But then again. Stadiums with supporters baying for each other's blood aren't exactly the nicey nice image that the EPL portrays for itself in this day and age.

    It's no co-incidence that the away fans of many of the teams are the most vocal. These are the proper hardcore fans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,606 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    It is not just stewards and police though - some fans don't like their match day experience being interupted by the loud guy sitting a few seats away.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Tauren wrote: »
    It is not just stewards and police though - some fans don't like their match day experience being interupted by the loud guy sitting a few seats away.

    You make it sound negative, but this is the traditional way to watch football. Being the loud guy. Just look at some of the footage from the 50s and 60s and 70s. People with them clacker things, everyone standing and cheering and singing.

    But, times are a changing. Why? I'll tell you why. People want to re-create the experience they have while sitting at home in a quiet front room watching a game of ball.

    Exactly why there should be special areas for people who want to sit quietly and watch the game.

    TBH, I sometimes go to games and sit in the Main Stand in Tolka Park for this very reason. I sometimes just want to watch the match, without the clamour and noise of the New Stand with it's chanting, flares and whatever else is going on, other times I love being in the thick of it, waving a big flag, calling the opposition players every cúnting thing under the sun, telling the lineswoman to get her tits out, having the banter with the opposition fans and generally supporting my team. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    Its the law in england to sit and has been since early 90s and the Taylor Report hardly an excuse now for any fan that they are forced to sit.


    kdjac


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭prendy


    i think in general standing creates a better atmosphere.unfortunatly it also creates more potential problems for the stewards and police.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭estebancambias


    Whats it like in Germany? Their fans seem vocal but at the same time behave in a good manner---generally. I think when I seen Hamburg beat Bayern two years back, it was probably, other than Ireland vs Holland the best atmosphere I had ever seen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,498 ✭✭✭quarryman



    With the prices of tickets spiralling out of control (pricing many loyal and hardcore fans out of the game) added to the all-seater stadia do people feel the atmosphere at games is diminshing?


    i think its more like the casual fans that will get priced out of the game. If you are loyal/hardcore you're going to stump up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    prendy wrote: »
    i think in general standing creates a better atmosphere.unfortunatly it also creates more potential problems for the stewards and police.


    http://www.bundesliga.de/en/liga/news/2007/index.php?f=75154.php

    Hope to go to that when they play Bochum, standing can be done safely but english rightly wont take any chances in the PL.

    Dont see why people want to got to a stadium with 75,000 people and watch a match in peace, thats seriously gay. Wear headphones and listen to classical music or something.

    kdjac


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    KdjaCL wrote: »
    Dont see why people want to got to a stadium with 75,000 people and watch a match in peace, thats seriously gay. Wear headphones and listen to classical music or something.

    Yes, yes it is.

    How can people go to live football and NOT end up getting emotionally involved? How can they NOT "FFS REF THAT WAS NEVER FÚCKING OFFSIDE YOU BLIND WANKER"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,606 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    DesF wrote: »
    You make it sound negative, but this is the traditional way to watch football. Being the loud guy. Just look at some of the footage from the 50s and 60s and 70s. People with them clacker things, everyone standing and cheering and singing.

    Sorry, my tone did not come across right - i like the standing and the singing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    DesF wrote: »
    Being forced to sit down is a joke imo.

    Nothing got to do with it. If people want to create an atmosphere they do. Unfortunately the game has gone more corporate and that brings fairweather fans and people who arent fans at all but either get tickets for nothing through work, want to go see what all this "soccer" lark is about or have a general interest in football but dont get involved.

    The other aspect is foreign fans to an extent (no need to point out any irony) but the ones I'm talking about, I'll use Liverpool as an example cos it's all I know, are the likes of the Spaniards who are only over because of the Spaniards at the club.

    The last time Iwas over I was in the main stand and the majority of the area around me was a ,mix of the types I've described and you cant get any chanting or much of an atomsphere going with that.There was a large group of Spaniards whop just kept blowing the paper horns every so often and the only thing that got them cheering was when Alonso came out to warm up along the line in front of the stand.

    Maybe sellig tickets on the internet is killing it? Sell from ticket stands at the ground and maybe it'll get rid of the lads who want an easy trip to watch the footer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭blastman


    I was at the Utd-Brum game that Fergie was giving out about. To be honest the atmosphere did feel very dead (although we were in the south stand near the Stretford End and there was some good noise coming from there), but it was New Year's Day so me and the mate I was there with put it down to new year blues coupled with the remains of the night before. All-seater stadiums aren't helping though and most supporters groups are in favour of a safe standing area at grounds. I think it would be a good idea.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭estebancambias


    What do 'boardsies' make of Irish match atmosphere.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    What do 'boardsies' make of Irish match atmosphere.

    You mean at international games?

    A joke tbh.

    Ire-land clap clap clap
    Fields of Athenry
    Olé Olé
    and Mexican wave.
    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    What do 'boardsies' make of Irish match atmosphere.


    The booing and the jeering can be deafening at times, but on the whole the main noise comes from the EL fans section Delaney had the bright idea to stick them all together in lansdowne which was a good idea :eek:

    But tbh IRELAND IRELAND and booing fo ex rangers players can only last for so long.


    kdjac


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,952 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Best Atmosphere at a match i was at was when Derry played Grenta at Fir Park 3000 mad Derry fans standing and everyone singing together was great.

    ******



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Best Atmosphere at a match i was at was when Derry played Grenta at Fir Park 3000 mad Derry fans standing and everyone singing together was great.
    It wasn't only Derry City fans in that section ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭estebancambias


    I always wanted to be in the stand where the good atmosphere is...When I went to the game against Canada there was great atmosphere because the area was all standing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    When the hell did Ireland play Canada?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,952 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    DesF wrote: »
    It wasn't only Derry City fans in that section ;)


    Glory Hunter :p

    ******



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭estebancambias


    Andy Reids debut. The Thompson guy also played. I think it was Kavanaghs first game in years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    Beat canada 3-1 i think

    desf = glory hunter... :D

    kdjac


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Glory Hunter :p
    KdjaCL wrote: »
    desf = glory hunter... :D
    I wasn't in Scotland that time.

    Einsturzende, or however the hell he spells it, was though.

    Glosy hunter? lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,952 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    The Eircom League has better Armosphere than the EPL

    ******



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    The Eircom League has better Armosphere than the EPL
    :D

    Even I wouldn't say that.

    Blefield anyone?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    We can stand tho, portsmouth seem to create a decent atmosphere without standing.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WelpDm_Scd8&feature=related

    derry vs gretna always makes me chuckle, won few hundred on that game :D

    kdjac


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    KdjaCL wrote: »
    We can stand tho, portsmouth seem to create a decent atmosphere without standing.
    lol

    Cow Bell ≠ Good Atmosphere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,985 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Ferguson refered to the match atmosphere as being like a funeral.:D




    No Al Calcio Moderno


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭blastman


    Good opinion piece here....

    Why we're not singing any more


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    My brother in law from Monaghan is a Chelsea fan and he sat with us in the away "Bit" at Stamford Bridge last season, he couldn't bellieve that all the fans sung almost all the game. It doesn't come accross like that on TV though as in Stamfor Bridge the away fans were banished to the corner of the Shed and the East Stand, so they couldn't give Mourinho abuse:D

    pompey have a very different make up to most premiership fans, something like 60% of the fans walk to the game because they are locals. Everyone in Portsmouth is a Pompey fan and the ones that don't live in Portsmouth are exiles rather than fans because the manager is a national hero who used to play for united:rolleyes: You will quite often find three generations of the same family standing next to each other all calling the ref a blind wanker. (I learnt my first swear words at fratton park, standing on the Boiler Makers hump which was the section of the north stand where the boiler makers from the dockyard used to stand with their sons)

    Generally speaking though, we are the best fans inthe Premiership:p


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