Team Fortress 2

Tusky

Got the orange box yesterday and have spent most of my time playing this, its great! One thing that is confusing me is the scoring system. How exactly does it work ?

I know the obvious ones. i.e 1 point for a kill, 0.5 points for an assist...but how do things like healing and sentry gun kills work ? What about dispensers etc ? How much damage do you have to cause to get an assist and how does the dominator thing work ?

Ciaran500

Once you hurt someone then someone else finishes them off you get an assist
Engies get a point for every kill a sentry makes and every time someone uses their teleport. Not sure if eng get any points for people using the dispenser.
Medics get an assist for every kill the person they are healing gets

Dominating someone happens when you kill them so many time without them killing you. It serves no point in the scoring system but adds rivarly between players.

Tusky

Ciaran500 wrote: »

Once you hurt someone then someone else finishes them off you get an assist
Engies get a point for every kill a sentry makes and every time someone uses their teleport. Not sure if eng get any points for people using the dispenser.
Medics get an assist for every kill the person they are healing gets

Dominating someone happens when you kill them so many time without them killing you. It serves no point in the scoring system but adds rivarly between players.

Wow... a point every time someone uses a teleport! That must be an easy way to get points. Someone else told me that you get extra points if you continue to kill someone you are dominating.

Also, how does the spy stuff work ? When you disguise yourself as an enemy...are you constantly disguised as them ? How can the other team spot you if thats the case ?

Ive mostly been playing as solder & sniper as they are easiest to get to grips with.

Smellyirishman

Enemy spies...hmm, it's just something that you'll notice after a while...signs are...

Spies have to carry the name of someone on your team...if they have your name, shoot them, or if you know that someone with that name is somewhere else, shoot them. Harder to spot, but if they are disgused as a class that your team lacks it's pretty obvious too, just do a quick name -> class check.

They can only hold the primary weapon of the class they are disgused as; so if there is a soldier with a shovel out, it's not a spy.

Spies cannot shoot without giving up thier identity, if someone is shooting, they are not a spy.

Be on the look out for your pyros setting "friendlies" on fire; they're spies.

You'll pass through your teammates...you'll collide with spies.

I *think* some weapons will only register hits with spies too such as rockets and demoman grenades.

Mostly though, it's a behavioual thing that you'll get used to. Soldier running towards enemy but not shooting? Don't follow him, peg him in the back. Pyro just walked past an enemy? Shoot them both . Engineer coming to your base from the far side of the map with a shotgun? Suspect. Anyone near your sentries or moving towards them? Suspect.

Also if you're in a forward position you may see spies cloak or de-cloak in puffs of smoke, or you may see a really obvious "friendly" engineer running to your base from the depths of theirs. Alert your teammates.

You can't tell if it's a spy until they are dead, so keep firing at them if you suspect, unless you see them change weapon or shoot or something.

That's about all I can think of for spy detection.

I don't think an engiee gets a point per TP, I think it's like 1 point for every 5 or something like that. I'm pretty sure they get points for healing too just like the medic but obviously they heal much slower. Healing works on a heal for xHP get a point type system I think.

Tusky

Ah right, cheers for that its a great help. I always seem to get way more kills when playing as sniper...havent mastered the other classes yet. Keep getting killed by pesky spies though.

Praetorian

Give me a shout if anyone wants a rocket to the face Any Irish servers up?

Tusky

Praetorian wrote: »

Give me a shout if anyone wants a rocket to the face Any Irish servers up?

Whats your Steam ID ? Can play on a non-Irish server until theres one up.

steviec

Tusky wrote: »

Ah right, cheers for that its a great help. I always seem to get way more kills when playing as sniper...havent mastered the other classes yet. Keep getting killed by pesky spies though.

I found playing as a medic, where you're always following other team-mates, was a great way to learn the levels and observe the tactics of other classes while still being a productive member of the team.

Got very comfortable in the medic role though, I still go back to it more often than any other class now.

User45701

i remember the first TFC, good fun alright. must get around to this one

Canis Lupus

Was pleasantly surprised by TF2 actually. Tend to play engineer primarily then medic then spy then whatever.

Wasn't sure on the points scoring myself until now. I've played the game and seemed to kill and get assists and my score goes nowhere and then sometimes I'm top of the leaderboard which is odd when I've played solely as an engineer.

Tusky (like Smelly said) when you play as spy you can make yourself look like the enemy. I favour scout initially as it allows you to move fast (your walking speed matches the class you chose to change to).

Tips for being a spy:

Use the scout class initially, it's the fastest for running but use the relevant class for where you are. eg in 2fort only snipers are on the balcony usually. ACT like a sniper. Don't look at the other players on the balcony and just wait for your backstab. Same with being deep in the base, change to an engineer. Being a medic can be fun as enemies often run to you and so on. Just remember when you're being a spy try to be seen running backwards to your destination as it looks like you're back pedalling for ammo/health. The rest is luck really. Cos FF is always off you'll have noticed everyone fires at everyone else to kill cloaked spies.


For detecting them again like smelly said just look for team mates running in the wrong direction really. Why is a medic on his own running towards your intel etc... Personally I just shoot everyone in the face. It's easier. You'll cotton on very quickly to spotting spies. Playing successfully as the class is a different matter. I'm getting better but for the most part it's just frustrating.

Stephen

Get over to the Half-Life board, we've a got a load of people from there playing TF2 now and we've got a Steam friends group for boards.ie set up so we can find each other on servers easily.

There is an Irish server up ("Irish eSports") and I get fantastic pings to it (<10) but its usually empty

Tusky

Cheers, thats a good help. I didn't know about the running speed with spies, handy.how do you do the rocket jump with the soldier ? I always end up shooting the ground and hurting myself. Also, any idea what the achievements do ?

Ciaran500

To rocket jump you jump and shoot the ground underneath you when you're at the peak of your jump. You do take damage but thats the pay off. Demo men can also nade jump with their stickies, you go alot further but take more damage.

Achievements add goals for you to achieve and enlarge your penis.

Stephen

They're adding a bunch of new achievements soon, apparently.

Tusky

Ciaran500 wrote: »

Achievements add goals for you to achieve and enlarge your penis.

Thought so.

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Another MAJOR spy tell-tale sign:

Players with full health running towards you shouting 'Medic!' as soon as they see you. Or players going through the list of 'positive' commands, like a Heavy walking the wrong way shouting, 'Good times!' or 'I am really happy!'.

You'll also find n00b spies who are dressed as scouts and cannot run fast enough, or dressed as Snipers in the wrong place. Look out for Medics who are not healing people constantly. But yeah, like someone else said, it's a behaviour you'll get used to. Spies will run down the side tunnel in 2fort and move to the side when they see you. This seems to be a reflex they cannot help.

Jumpy

Spies front on will get destroyed by normal melee weapons.
I love when spies think I am an easy target due to my Rugged Aussie charm as a sniper, then get spanked by a machete.
"Spies! Blardy Useless!"

Jumpy

Stephen wrote: »

They're adding a bunch of new achievements soon, apparently.

I cant wait for the "Accused of Cheating" achievement.

*shoots flying demoman 200ft up in the head*

"HAX!"


*popup in corner of screen*
"You have gained the: Noob Cheat Accusation achievement"

Stephen

Haha, I got accused of cheating last night. I captured the last cap point on well as a scout. That point captures quite fast normally, but when you're a scout as usual you capture points twice as fast.

OMG SPEEDH4X

Tusky

Anyone want a game now ?

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YES! Oh wait...posted at 13:34...nm

Tusky

Another question : For the boards.ie group on steam, theres usually about 10 people 'in game', is there any easy way to see what game they are playing without having to click into their profile. It would be a bit silly if there wasn't.

Stephen

If you go into Friends from within steam and expand the boards.ie group it'll show you what everyone's playing.

Tusky

Stephen wrote: »

If you go into Friends from within steam and expand the boards.ie group it'll show you what everyone's playing.

and how come the 'join' button is only available on some ? There are a few people playing TF2 but I cant join them. (sorry for all the questions)

Smellyirishman

That usually happens when someone is in the game but not in a server. Nice to know about that expanding the group thing, always thought it was stupid that you couldn't easily tell what everone in-game was actually playing.

kermitdfrog

Personally I just shoot everyone in the face. It's easier.

Ah, buta really good spy won't even react when you do! Just carry on bleeding away under his disguise, and then hunt you down...

Canis Lupus

I've seen an achievement or two pop up on my screen whilst playing but are they permanent things or like badges? Where do I view my achievements?

Stephen

In the main menu of TF2 there's an achievements option. That'll tell you which ones you have and haven't got. They can also be viewed on your steam friends page too I think.

Canis Lupus

LOL. Now you mention it I remember that alright but I've never clicked on it!

Me is stoopid Cheers!

Praetorian

My steam ID is = Praetorian aka damien. I've found some good UK reasonably high skill servers with very good pings, but would love to find an Irish server with 15 ms ping

Tusky

Ive been getting pretty steady pings of 20-30 but I always get nasty lag spikes. About one every round or two. Is there a reason for this ? Does it happen to anyone else ?

MOH

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Tips for being a spy:

Use the scout class initially, it's the fastest for running but use the relevant class for where you are.

Huh? I was pretty sure you move at the same speed no matter what you're disguised as. So fast moving Heavy/Soldier or slow moving Scout = Spy.

Smellyirishman wrote: »

I don't think an engiee gets a point per TP, I think it's like 1 point for every 5 or something like that. I'm pretty sure they get points for healing too just like the medic but obviously they heal much slower. Healing works on a heal for xHP get a point type system I think.

I'm pretty sure it's half a point per TP. My highest score is 30 with an engy, that was 51 teleports and a handful of kills. (Wish my other scores were anywhere near that )

Kur4mA

MOH wrote: »

Huh? I was pretty sure you move at the same speed no matter what you're disguised as. So fast moving Heavy/Soldier or slow moving Scout = Spy.

You do. The spy does not take on the speed of the Scout class when disguised as a Scout.

Stephen

The spy moves at slower speeds when he disguises as a slower class, but he can't keep up with a real scout.

Tusky: Are you on wireless by any chance?

Tusky

Stephen wrote: »

The spy moves at slower speeds when he disguises as a slower class, but he can't keep up with a real scout.

Tusky: Are you on wireless by any chance?

Yep. That the cause?

Smellyirishman

Oh and also, if there is a cloaked spy trying to run past a lot of you in order to get behind you then if he comes in contact with any of you or comes close to anyone then his cloak will drop a bit to reveal a blue/red silhouette, same thing happens if they get shot while cloaked. So if you see this shadowy/silhouette thing, start blazing like a mad man while turning in a circle :P (also alert your teammates).

As has been said (and I had meant to correct it the other day) a spy will match the speed of slower classes, but cannot match the speed of a scout, they will however travel faster than normal as a scout so it does come in useful. I'm not 100% on how they match up to Medic or Pyro speeds.

Pacifico

Yeah afaik its just the scout class the spy cannot travel the same speed as. He also cannot double jump disguised as a scout

Genghiz Cohen

Smellyirishman wrote: »

I *think* some weapons will only register hits with spies too such as rockets and demoman grenades.

Mostly though, it's a behavioual thing that you'll get used to. Soldier running towards enemy but not shooting? Don't follow him, peg him in the back. Pyro just walked past an enemy? Shoot them both . Engineer coming to your base from the far side of the map with a shotgun? Suspect. Anyone near your sentries or moving towards them? Suspect.

Also, spies disguised as medics have no ubercharge counter when you look at them, and all weapons will work against them, you'll see blood spray.

Stephen

Tusky: Can't be sure but any time I've tried gaming on wireless its always spiked up and down. Have you tried other games on the same connection?

Canis Lupus

My point re the scout thing is the initial move. When you change into a different class you slow down. The scout is the quickest. When you cloak your speed gets quick as well.

It's simply the first step, granted your not as quick as a scout but if you're saving your cloak then it's the fastest way of running past the enemy. It all depends tho and like I said most people just shoot you anyway so it takes skill/luck to stay alive for any decent length of time as a spy.

Damn!!

Stephen wrote: »

Get over to the Half-Life board, we've a got a load of people from there playing TF2 now and we've got a Steam friends group for boards.ie set up so we can find each other on servers easily.

There is an Irish server up ("Irish eSports") and I get fantastic pings to it (<10) but its usually empty

Hi Stephen, We're having a bit of trouble getting our own clan members on the bloody thing cos we're running a couple of Cod4's and Counterstrikes as well, and they're all over em. But since you guys seem to be using it more than us, is there any map changes or the like you'd be after?
If so, Me and Polar ice are the admins so pm one of us and we'll see what we can do..

BopNiblets

If you have your crosshair on someone you know is a Spy, you will say "That Demoman is a spy!" (or whatever he's disguised as)

I usually disguise as demoman, pyro or engy depending on where I'm stabbin'.

"MAGGOTS!"

Ronan|Raven

'Tis no TFC ;(