krav maga lessons

brando08

Hi, can anyone tell me if there are any kav maga instructors in dublin who hold regular classes and who are not out to to fill their pockets.Found two places from a google search Patrick Cumiskey and Aidan Carroll. Patrick holds a two day course which is over 200 euro and Aidan has a six week course, which is really six lessons for 150 euro,that works out at over 20 euro a lesson. I hear they are both run good classes but come on for that price you would expect Bruce Lee to take the class.

arybvtcw0eolkf

brando08 wrote: »

Hi, can anyone tell me if there are any kav maga instructors in dublin who hold regular classes and who are not out to to fill their pockets.Found two places from a google search Patrick Cumiskey and Aidan Carroll. Patrick holds a two day course which is over 200 euro and Aidan has a six week course, which is really six lessons for 150 euro,that works out at over 20 euro a lesson. I hear they are both run good classes but come on for that price you would expect Bruce Lee to take the class.

Do a little search, there's a ton of threads re. K.M. here. Mostly showing K.M. instructors here in a terrible bad light..

There used to be some really embarressing Irish K.M. clips on youtube. I tried searching for them but it seem's they're gone now. (most likely taken down out of embarressment).

Why are you interested in K.M.?

brando08

Yeah looking to do it but not at those prices, watched a programme on it was week on the history channel looked very good. And if the IDF use it then it has to be good!

arybvtcw0eolkf

brando08 wrote: »

Yeah looking to do it but not at those prices, watched a programme on it was week on the history channel looked very good. And if the IDF use it then it has to be good!

There's nothing magic about the IDF and they're fighting abilities.

When the IDF have difficulties they call in artillary support, or helicopter gunships not IDF Ninja's!.

brando08

Would have to disagree with you on that one, but was checking another thread on krav maga and there is a polish fella teaching it in dublin he has classes 3 times a week,was on his web site but it does not give a price for lessons. sent him an e mail so hopefully it is well priced cause am really interested on trying it out.

arybvtcw0eolkf

brando08 wrote: »

Would have to disagree with you on that one, but was checking another thread on krav maga and there is a polish fella teaching it in dublin he has classes 3 times a week,was on his web site but it does not give a price for lessons. sent him an e mail so hopefully it is well priced cause am really interested on trying it out.

What are you disagreeing on?

cowzerp

Most IDF only train krav maga for about a weekend so would not be very capable at it anyway, im sure the instructors are well trained though, television programmes are always going to big up whatever there showing so this meand little, otherwise there program is pointless!

arybvtcw0eolkf

cowzerp wrote: »

Most IDF only train krav maga for about a weekend so would not be very capable at it anyway, im sure the instructors are well trained though, television programmes are always going to big up whatever there showing so this meand little, otherwise there program is pointless!

Paul I've posted here before about KM in Israel and my experience with it.

I attended some KM demonstrations in Israel and got talking to the instructors. Each & everyone of them also trained in either Judo, Jitz, boxing, M.T. etc and NOT ONE trained in K.M. solely.

Anyway, without beating this one to death again.

Why in the name of sweet baby Jesus someone here in Ireland want's to learn K.M.?. It beats the sh*t out of me.

From reading the various websites of Irish K.M. clubs it appear's to be a system which outside of Israel draw's the Walter Mitty type of charactor.

kravist

Mairt wrote: »

There used to be some really embarressing Irish K.M. clips on youtube. I tried searching for them but it seem's they're gone now. (most likely taken down out of embarressment).

Never as embarassing as your spelling!!..lmao

Nothingcompares

kravist wrote: »

Never as embarassing as your spelling!!..lmao

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

mickoo

kravist wrote: »

Never as embarassing as your spelling!!..lmao

Thats just disrespectfull, your just making yourself look bad. just because someone does not like your business choice, oh i meant martial art choice does not mean that you should try to insult there intelligence.

celt2005

Mairt wrote: »

Why in the name of sweet baby Jesus someone here in Ireland want's to learn K.M.?. It beats the sh*t out of me.

From reading the various websites of Irish K.M. clubs it appear's to be a system which outside of Israel draw's the Walter Mitty type of charactor.

Nice One Mairt,

Startin, off the new year with a bang ...

arybvtcw0eolkf

kravist wrote: »

Never as embarassing as your spelling!!..lmao

Your deadly, a black belt in smart arse are ya?.

kermitdfrog

Why in the name of sweet baby Jesus someone here in Ireland want's to learn K.M.?. It beats the sh*t out of me.

Because they are interested in practical self defense and have heard that it is such a thing? Why would that be so surprising?

kravist

Mairt wrote: »

Your deadly, a black belt in smart arse are ya?.

touchy toucy..........give but can't take?

arybvtcw0eolkf

kermitdfrog wrote: »

Because they are interested in practical self defense and have heard that it is such a thing? Why would that be so surprising?

And thats why this forum is so valuable to the lay person, we dispell the myth of Krav Maga.

And you know what, the language used here about K.M. is pretty toned down compared to whats said about it away from the internet.

Anyway, I've a pain in the arse with K.M. discussion here.

Damo W

brando08 wrote: »

but come on for that price you would expect Bruce Lee to take the class.

I remember reading that Bruce Lee charged significantly more and that was during his era (what would he charge today if he was around?!?), is there something wrong with MA instructors (in general) charging for classes/seminars/courses, I understand that it is difficulant to find an equivalant in the market place that one can benchmark prices against, but could MA instructors (rembering some have 20 plus years experience, some make their living from it etc. etc.) be compared to personal trainers, solicitors, hairdressers; all provide a service?!?!

Why shouldn't high prices be charged?

Just some thoughts.... (I know nothing of this Krav Maga or those instructors)

cowzerp

I charge people 30 euro for half an hour boxing lessons and 55 for 1 hour but this is personal training 1 on 1 and i am a qualified personal trainer anyway! anyone i train highly values this and never questions it because results come much faster when you get 1 on 1 attention.

as far as group training goes i think it should represent what your getting, very limited attention so the money should mirror this, max 10 euro a class in my opinion, but as said before-if people are willing to pay more then thats there choice, all people here can do is give there opinion.

celt2005

Damo W wrote: »

I remember reading that Bruce Lee charged significantly more and that was during his era (what would he charge today if he was around

Bruce could charge whatever he wanted, because his market is high end, and his reputation precedes him.

The issue is not the price , but value for money given.

Introductory courses assume low competence, and can be given by mid range instructors, hence price reduction.

If Mario Sperry was teaching me BJJ , I would expect to have my hand in my pocket !!!!

brando08

Lads i just used bruce lee cause it was the first name came into my head sorry i used that him now!

Baggio...

cowzerp wrote: »

I charge people 30 euro for half an hour boxing lessons and 55 for 1 hour but this is personal training 1 on 1 and i am a qualified personal trainer anyway! anyone i train highly values this and never questions it because results come much faster when you get 1 on 1 attention.

as far as group training goes i think it should represent what your getting, very limited attention so the money should mirror this, max 10 euro a class in my opinion, but as said before-if people are willing to pay more then thats there choice, all people here can do is give there opinion.

Those prices sound spot on to me Cowzerp.

If some of the KM guys are charging 25 euro a pop, that's way above a fair price for a group class IMO (especially at collecting the 150 up front). Privates are a different matter.

It's not fair to single out KM though, as there are lot of guys in the Marital Arts who exploit people (including Combatives) .

Magic Eight Ball

Spot on Baggio,
It’s not fair to single out one style yes, but every time I hear about KM, the money issue is never far behind, so naturally it’s always going to be used as an example.
That’s not to say everyone involved with it is out to line their pockets, but it only takes a few bad eggs..

Those people make me ****ing sick and I’ve experienced exploitation in martial arts first hand.

Then again, these people wouldn’t be in business I it wasn’t for naïve people like me.. :rolleyes:

kravist

Baggio... wrote: »

Those prices sound spot on to me Cowzerp.

If some of the KM guys are charging 25 euro a pop, that's way above a fair price for a group class IMO (especially at collecting the 150 up front). Privates are a different matter.

It's not fair to single out KM though, as there are lot of guys in the Marital Arts who exploit people (including Combatives) .

I agree with Baggio and Cowzerp, €10 per class to me is reasonable. I instruct Krav Maga at that rate, but i also think it's reasonable to expect people to sign up for a certain period at those rates.
This ensures continuity in the class and means theres no need to go over revision material in the same detail, just because someone has just walked in for a once off lesson. Makes for better training for everyone.
However i dont instruct full time and i think its fair to expect to pay a full time instructor more, after all, their life style is depends on it, not to mention a pension!!

Baggio...

kravist wrote: »

I instruct Krav Maga at that rate, but i also think it's reasonable to expect people to sign up for a certain period at those rates.

Your dead right there... otherwise people will just drift in and out, and start taking the piss. Also, keeps everything easy to tally instead of trying to trackdown a few deadbeats who would rather not pay.

Plus, if someone pays a fee upfront for a number of classes it's shows a certain commitment, as opposed to wasting an instructors time and effort.

I think it fair enough for people to go to one or two classes and see if they like it before making a commitment (only one or two mind ).

cowzerp

kravist wrote: »

€10 per class to me is reasonable. I instruct Krav Maga at that rate, but i also think it's reasonable to expect people to sign up for a certain period at those rates.

Thats fair enough..

brando08

kravist wrote: »

I agree with Baggio and Cowzerp, €10 per class to me is reasonable. I instruct Krav Maga at that rate, but i also think it's reasonable to expect people to sign up for a certain period at those rates.

Totally agree with you kravist at that price it would be reasonable to expect people to take an certain number of classes. Why cant you be in dublin!

SorGan

brando08 wrote: »

kravist wrote: »

I agree with Baggio and Cowzerp, €10 per class to me is reasonable. I instruct Krav Maga at that rate, but i also think it's reasonable to expect people to sign up for a certain period at those rates.

Totally agree with you kravist at that price it would be reasonable to expect people to take an certain number of classes. Why cant you be in dublin!

http://www.kravmagagroup.com/
another option for you in dublin.

brando08

Hi sorGan, yes a friend was in contact with him today its 85 euro for 8 classes, i like the sound of that Does any one here train with him?

arybvtcw0eolkf

brando08 wrote: »

Hi sorGan, yes a friend was in contact with him today its 85 euro for 8 classes, i like the sound of that Does any one here train with him?

Doesn't sound like a bad price if the instruction is right.

I'd love to see a complete novice go something like this then go to a club which trains in a 'live' environment, with resisting opponents. Even a Judo or BJJ club and train with one of their beginners and see how things fair out.

SorGan

i dont think so, as for as i know he is just opened in the last few months.:)

arybvtcw0eolkf

brando08 wrote: »

Hi sorGan, yes a friend was in contact with him today its 85 euro for 8 classes, i like the sound of that Does any one here train with him?

Actually someone posted here recently that he's trained there.

Can't remember who

SorGan

Mairt wrote: »

Doesn't sound like a bad price if the instruction is right.

I'd love to see a complete novice go something like this then go to a club which trains in a 'live' environment, with resisting opponents. Even a Judo or BJJ club and train with one of their beginners and see how things fair out.

krav maga, and other rbsd systems try (weather people believe they fail or not) to find solutions to situations involving attacks by multiple scumers and/or involving weapons.sport based ma.s simply dont.(dont wanna either, i know:D)
depends on what people are looking to be answered in a ma.
doesn't krav train "alive"?...anyone?
id be interested to know.:)

arybvtcw0eolkf

SorGan wrote: »

krav maga, and other rbsd systems try (weather people believe they fail or not) to find solutions to situations involving attacks by multiple scumers and/or involving weapons.sport based ma.s simply dont.(dont wanna either, i know:D)
depends on what people are looking to be answered in a ma.
doesn't krav train "alive"?...anyone?
id be interested to know.:)

You want to train to do this (multiple attackers)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhKjpdWyYMc

Krav Maga weapons;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnwroUXFtvc

Or train to do this ...

Or this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOsyyu6gJj8

Because I know what I'd rather have behind me on the street.

SorGan

lol youtube doesn't rule me
IF i wanted to see km. id simply check it out,
sport based ma`s just wont cut it for some though,some people myself included
like a bit of the real world stuff thrown in there, just for kicks:)

Baggio...

I thought the KM displayed on the Human Weapon was quite interesting. I especially liked what they said about "mindset" - doing whatever it takes to win etc. Also, I liked the way the rookies were training in the commando school - it was pretty much all out (full contact). Unlike at the end where that presenter was fighting the multiples - that looked quite restricted to me.

I definitely thought it was an interesting program.

Boru.

Hi Mairt,

Interesting choices of video and I thought the first was actually quite a good “demo” of attack and interceptions. Obviously multiple attackers don’t politely queue like that, but it was a well structured display to show multiple response. In particular I liked the chaining elbows quite a lot. A good KM display, but not training.

As for the second clip – I’d disagree with that gun disarm, but the idea of getting the hell out of the way is good. Nice breakdown of simple steps and the students are obviously practicing it in structure rather than in full force rehearsal. They’re learning movement’s not training full force. But you can’t expect to demonstrate a technique once and have everyone instantly grasp it. It would be nice to see full force combat, but it doesn’t make for good tv – too messy and unstructured looking.

Awesome Judo clip, great music and very effective, aside from all the times the guy ends up on the ground WITH his opponent, which seems quite a lot. Wouldn’t want to be in that situation myself. Also no striking in the clips, performed with unrealistic clothing, and of course on a padded surface – still and excellent demo of real world skill and stopping force that would certainly be helpful if you didn’t know anything else.

Particularly love the inside leg sweep at he 2min mark. And the Japanese guy at 2.40 is great. I’ve trained with top Judoka and landed on my head enough times to no that would kill someone on the street – not something you want to do, by the way. No use of force, no grade of execution. I’ve also thrown, KO’d and incapacitated Judoka because I cheat. ;-)

Last clip great – some really good examples of kickboxing and grappling skills – but a bad choice for a real life situation and if you can’t see that I’d be worried. As I’ve mentioned man many times getting tied up is a bad idea if his mates are standing around, broken bottles on the floor etc. Throwing roundhouse kicks is just equally ridiculous, unless you’re Tony Ward, which nobody save Tony Ward is.

Personally I see benefits in both systems, hence I have trained in both – but in my experience if you want to learn street applicable self defense and not sports adapted to street defense that has little or NO clue about what you can and cannot do then sure, your point of view is fine. From mine it’s a little naïve and I think if people honestly evaluate what they are looking for versus what they are taught then they will clearly see that distinction.
If you want sports, go for sports. If you want self defense learn self defense. Seems open and shut to me.

Nothingcompares

I’ve also thrown...Judoka because I cheat. ;-)

do explain

arybvtcw0eolkf

Baggio I won't multi-qoute you. I'm just getting off a night shift and very tired.

As regards to being naive, well I've 15+ years working security in bars/clubs to draw on when I speak about whats effective. I hardly think I'm naive.

As posted before I've also done a fair bit of Krav Maga with the Israeli Defence Forces in Israel, both at Wingate university (Netanya) and various IDF bases in Northern Israel.

I've also competed at Wingate.

I've stated this already. Each and every K.M. instructor I spoke to in Israel also trained in other martial arts, ie boxing, judo, M.T., kickboxing etc and each and every one said they wouldn't rate K.M. above the others.

Only thing Judo, BJJ etc won't teach you is how to disarm an opponent on the street. And now why in the name of god someone here wants to learn those skills beats me, and I think its sad that some people see everything and everyone as a threat.

'A little knowledge is a dangerous thing'. I've seen doorstaff do these stupid self defence, and even K.M. course's only to gain a very false self confidence and have their ass handed to them.

I posted the last clip to show you some amateur MMA here in Ireland.

I know alot of those lads competing in the amateur MMA league and I firmly believe a complete novice can train in a good MMA club and become a very capable fighter in the shortest time.

I came up on the MMA scene too late, but I've trained in it and I admire how effective it is.

The only thing I'd like you to clear up is how you've "thrown, KO’d and incapacitated Judoka because I cheat. ;-) " ... :eek:

There was one Irish K.M. youtube clip posted both here on this forum and youtube but it seem's the owner has taken it down, probably out of embaressment (thanks for the earlier spelling lession Kravist, maybe I can return the favour sometime) so I couldn't post it as the worse example of K.M. (or another SD or MA training) I've seen.

Anyway about these Judoka you've battered Baggio?.

Baggio...

Mairt wrote: »

Anyway about these Judoka you've battered Baggio?.

That's weird... erm.. you've lost me there bud. Can't remember me sayin' that I've ever bashed anyone.

All I said that I found the program interesting.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Baggio... wrote: »

That's weird... erm.. you've lost me there bud. Can't remember me sayin' that I've ever bashed anyone.

All I said that I found the program interesting.

Baggio... wrote: »

"thrown, KO’d and incapacitated Judoka

I'd say thats a bashing any day of the week.

Oh, good morning.

Baggio...

Boru. wrote: »

I’ve also thrown, KO’d and incapacitated Judoka because I cheat. ;-)

You mean that quote?

Have a look who actually posted it. You've simply quoted me in correctly. I've never said I've thrown any Judo guys around. Please re-read my posts.

Here is my original post, you simply did not use the quoting function correctly:

Baggio... wrote: »

I thought the KM displayed on the Human Weapon was quite interesting. I especially liked what they said about "mindset" - doing whatever it takes to win etc. Also, I liked the way the rookies were training in the commando school - it was pretty much all out (full contact). Unlike at the end where that presenter was fighting the multiples - that looked quite restricted to me.

I definitely thought it was an interesting program.

cowzerp

I think that was said by boru Martin, Baggio is a fairly honest lad and is honest in that he's tried other systems such as boxing, muay thai, kenpo and his rbsd stuff too so he can take the best of each and apply it in what he's teaching, a bit like mma lads do.. Boru-comments like that really make you sound like a waffler, next you'll be out boxing a boxer or out kicking a thai boxer.if true give some details, like who was this judoka and what amazing techniques did you use that judoka have not copped onto yet?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Sorry guys, just coming off the end of a night shift and fairly bolloxed. Sorry for mis-qouting you baggio.

Off to the w@nking chariot for me See yiz in a few hours..

Baggio...

Mairt wrote: »

Sorry for mis-qouting you baggio.

No worries... thought I was going senile there for a bit though.

Boru.

Sorry folks, I forget sometimes that i have to crystal clear and specific in EVERY aspects of my posts so that they are not misunderstood. For the record, I'm not attacking any style or system. I firmly believe EVERY art has something to offer, (of course no one bothers to read that bit, just the bit that irritates them and that gets taken out of context) hence I have spent time training in them - I've listed my qualifications in the past and have no intention of wasting everyone's time doing that again. Though I will say hat's off to Mairt - that's firkin awesome stuff, and great fun to it seems, and Id love to hear your impressions and comments regarding that.

Now as to the Judoka - I honestly don't see what the big deal is with that comment. And I'm sorry but I don't keep precise tack records of every single conflict I have been in trainng or in real life - I doubt you guys can either.

I can give you a couple of examples - when I trained in Bujinkan we had a couple of top class Judoka, once of whom named Dave was very good. (He actually smashed up my right arm a few years back with a really nice bokken strike). Anyways Dave prided himself on not being thrown, so I threw him. No big deal.

When I was in UCD karate club, same thing - we had a nice little inter club spar towards Xmas of my second year - but the guys I fought against in my bouts had no clue I'd previously studied Judo so they went out there iwht the misconception that I didn't know how to throw a guy or counter his attacks. I did so I won.

Also on a sidebar a load of people think there are no throws or locks in traditional Shotokan which I've studied a long time but there are.

And again I see it a lot in my classes or in the courses I teach - I've had judoka, karateka, TKD guys and more, and all of them get thrown, taken down, tapped, KO'd, shot (with a BB gun - not the real thing folks) or stabbed (again, not the real thing here folks - use a No-Lie Blade) at some point - and that's NOT a reflection on them or their styles.

For the most part I work with very well trained martial artists, but what I teach in my courses is nothing they have experienced before,s o they are removed from their element, from their training and don't know what to do. I've even done the same with some MMA guys and even some of the BJJ guys here.

Now if you put me in a boxing match against a boxer I'd get broken up so fast it ain't funny. Put me in Judo match against a Judoka, he'll win. Put me in an MMA bout and guess what, I'm pretty sure the MMA guys will win. Put them in my environment and they'll fight well with a lot of heart, but in most cases they lose - because it's like a fish out of water it's like taking a pro golfer and asking him to play baseball, sure there is some transference of skill but it's not the same - he won't be babe ruth.

And to answer the earlier question about "cheating" I simply mean I use the tools that are banned from Judo competition or BJJ, or kickboxing etc. It's generally a really good introduction that points out why sport training and reality based self defense are different things. One conditions you to respond in one way, the other in a different way. For instance, I'll happily bite , tear, gouge and grab hair, eyes, throats and groins. I'll also frequently pull out a concealed weapon and stab them. (Again to labor my point I do not use a live Blade, I use a simulated marking knife). It's pretty hard for a Judoka to throw you when he steps in grabs your shirt and you've pumped in 6-7 times in the gut or his kidneys with the knife you had concealed.

Another huge problem is that of Use of Force and I know I keep harping on about this but it's true and people need to be aware of it. If you go out on the street and in legitimate self defense manage to use a Judo throw on someone who chances are doesn't know how to break fall - in all probability his head is going to towards hard unyielding concrete with enough force and speed to kill him. And boom he's dead and you've just committed manslaughter are the very least. Because it was not in keeping with the legal use of force parameters. That's not self defense, that's a prison sentence. But they don't teach that sort of stuff in TMA or MMA, nor should they have to - it's a sport. In RBPP I do teach that sort of suffice because it isn't a sport.

I hope that fully explains my comments. I have nothing but respect for any and all martial arts because there is something to be learned. Nor am I claiming to be some great untouchable warrior that can never be beaten, because that's balls. I can and do get beaten, and that's something you have to understand too - at some point - everyone screws up and gets taken down .The trick is to avoid being in that situation - again something that MMA and TMA don't and shouldn't have to teach - because it's got nothing to do with them, in RBPP on the other had it has a lot to do with it so it is focused upon.

arybvtcw0eolkf

^^^^

Ok Mr Norris.

Colm_OReilly

Sorry folks, I forget sometimes that i have to crystal clear and specific in EVERY aspects of my posts so that they are not misunderstood.

You sure do, it's an unfortunate but necessary part of all conversations, not just the internet.

of course no one bothers to read that bit, just the bit that irritates them and that gets taken out of context

It's no fun agreeing with someone

Put them in my environment and they'll fight well with a lot of heart, but in most cases they lose - because it's like a fish out of water it's like taking a pro golfer and asking him to play baseball, sure there is some transference of skill but it's not the same

I reckon this is going to draw a reaction from some people and they'll want to spar with you.

I'm sure others will have their own interpretation,

Colm
-Inexplicably sleepy today

arybvtcw0eolkf

Boru. wrote: »

Now if you put me in a boxing match against a boxer I'd get broken up so fast it ain't funny. Put me in Judo match against a Judoka, he'll win. Put me in an MMA bout and guess what, I'm pretty sure the MMA guys will win. Put them in my environment and they'll fight well with a lot of heart, but in most cases they lose - because it's like a fish out of water

Thats the funniest sh*t ever posted here.

Nothingcompares

I still don't understand your point about the judo. Like are you saying you did a few cross -training sessions with a couple of Judo guys and you threw someone of them with a throw you learned in a different martial art? Ok well done, I've been thrown by complete beginners myself, it shouldn't happen but it does. Having said that, it has only happened in training so it's no big deal. But you said that you cheated to throw the person. And you mentioned forms of "cheating" include biting, gouging and stabbing. So did you do a cross-training session with a judo guy and bite him and then throw him? Or when he took a grip did u actually stab him with your wooden knife? You make all these references to people, places and things, get called up on them, and give even more vague explanations....

Like if I said on this forum that I walked into a BJJ club as a Judo guy and was tapping people left, right and centre people would want me to say where/when/who cause that's a pretty controversial claim. If my reply was "ah somewhere in Australia, long time ago, can't remember" I couldn't complain if they called me a liar.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Kevin I can remember looking at your Judo in SBGn's FILA comp (brilliant stuff btw, your Judo) and thinking ''there's the most argumentative little bollox on boards''..

Boro. I think your getting off very lightly with that last post, but only because its funny sh*t.

bilbo79

Boru. wrote: »

Now if you put me in a boxing match against a boxer I'd get broken up so fast it ain't funny. Put me in Judo match against a Judoka, he'll win. Put me in an MMA bout and guess what, I'm pretty sure the MMA guys will win. Put them in my environment and they'll fight well with a lot of heart, but in most cases they lose - because it's like a fish out of water it's like taking a pro golfer and asking him to play baseball, sure there is some transference of skill but it's not the same - he won't be babe ruth.

I doubt you've ever had a proper fight or spar with a boxer, judoka or MMA fighter, even bruce lee said the average boxer would beat most martial artists but your above him!

MMA is a complete fighting system and the illegal techniques that are banned in the competitive sports are easily added in when fights are outside of the ring, an mma fighter could easily pin you down and poke your eyes, as could a boxer extend his finger as he punches to do the same.

Judo players could grab your nuts before throwing you kick you aswell, sports fighters are not limited to the sport when the fight is a street fight and with there real trained skills will be used to been bashed and really trying to hurt there opponents, Boru i think your after watching to many chuck norris films.