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Players outside the Top 4

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Jaskaleinen is a good shout for this I think.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭mayordenis


    just want a little answer here not trying to annoy and honestly the idea is quite scary, what about arteta in for scholes i would think he'd do damage better tackler to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    I don't think you realise that most United fans consider Scholes still one of, if not the, best player in the team. He was our 2nd best player last year in a team that won the league. He is utterly class and imo better than any other attacking midfielder in the league last year, and this year, I think he's the 2nd best after Fabregas.
    Arteta is nowhere near Scholes now, and nowhere near Scholes at the height of his game. Also Anderson I think has already shown he's got more in his game than Arteta does, even if its not totally there yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭Timans


    I would say Berbatov would get into any of the top 4. And, he'd be amazing with Rooney I think.

    Also, Arteta would definitely get into the squads but not the starting 11's.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭mayordenis


    i'd have to disagree especially about anderson he doesn't have half the nuances and subtleties in his game that arteta has, and yea i realise ye worship people who're past their prime.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭Prowetod


    Young would probably start with chelsea, pool and arsenal but I cant see him making the utd team.

    I would say Gordon would have good chance of making the first team in one of the top 4. Petrov for Man City is another player who could make it.

    Off Topic but is Adebayor going to be playing in the African Nations Cup?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,176 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    mayordenis wrote: »
    i'd have to disagree especially about anderson he doesn't have half the nuances and subtleties in his game that arteta has, and yea i realise ye worship people who're past their prime.


    Scholes has been written off before and come back just as good.

    Just look at him before he got that eye injury, he was probably the worst player at the club. Then he came back last year and was excellent.

    His form this season didn't match last years but only a fool/Liverpool fan would write him off not turning in more great consistent performances.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,176 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    eoccork wrote: »

    Off Topic but is Adebayor going to be playing in the African Nations Cup?

    Nope, his country didn't qualify


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    hmm, the key thing here is, are there players there that would IMPROVE the top 4. im not sure if there are many players that would walk into a fully fit top 4 side, but -

    given could defo be one at arsenal. united have been interested in him before, maybe a replacement for van der sar, but foster is the number 1 option atm.

    berbatov, could fit into united, but would he displace rooney/tevez at the moment? would be a good option though. anelka already has had his stints with arsenal and liverpool.

    micah richards would probably be a good option for all 4 clubs, but maybe he is over rated?

    liverpool need to improve in a few positions, but not sure if the type of players they need are there. defo on the winger front anyway.....hunt? thing is Des, how could you adore him if he wore a liverpool jersey?!!seriously like.

    liverpool also need another striker, but im struggling to see who.

    other players who i rate, but not necessarily think would improve the top 4 -

    arteta and cahill, benny mccarthy(though off form this year), friedel, shorey, elano, defoe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    hunt? thing is Des, how could you adore him if he wore a liverpool jersey?!!seriously like.
    :eek:

    I never thought of that. What will I do??

    other players who i rate, but not necessarily think would improve the top 4 -

    defoe.
    Meh, I think Defoe hasn't fulfilled much of his early potential, he was quality with West Ham, but seems to have lost his way a little, and isn't going to get in ahead of Keane/Berbatov once the Festive Madness Fixture List is done with, unless one of them gets injured I suppose.

    I think if Fergie had have wanted him, he would have taken him when he was leaving WHU. So Fergie obviously doesn't see him as good enough for United.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    eoccork wrote: »
    Young would probably start with chelsea, pool and arsenal but I cant see him making the utd team.

    I would say Gordon would have good chance of making the first team in one of the top 4. Petrov for Man City is another player who could make it.

    Off Topic but is Adebayor going to be playing in the African Nations Cup?

    You don't rate Young higher than Giggs or Nani? Mad. And eh Gordon has been dropped from the Sunderland team like on occasion. He isn't that good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭Attractive Nun


    Togo didn't qualify for the African Nations cup, so Adebayor won't be playing.

    Edit: Whoops, answered already.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    DSB wrote: »
    Gordon has been dropped from the Sunderland team like on occasion. He isn't that good.

    i said that when we were interested in him that he just wasnt that bloody good and i was ridiculed, i love it when im proven right


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    i personally like tim cahill, think he has a great approach to the game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,176 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    I think Gareth Barry could be a good squad player for any of the top 4, but I reckon he'd stay with Villa


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭el dude


    I'll just name a few players I'd like to see in the Liverpool side. Cause i really don't give a flying fcuk who would improve United, or give Chelsea more flair, or who would be English for Arsenal.

    Dean Ashton - Would be the perfect foil for Torres. Big strong lad, very very intelligent player. Not the quickest, but wouldn't have to be playing alongside El Nino.

    Anelka - Just a great player. Full stop. Shouldn't be wasting away at Bolton the way he is.

    Berbatov - Crying out for a player of this ilk. Looks disinterested at times. But fcuk it. Holds the ball up so well and brings people into play.

    Bale - Guys gonna be brilliant. We're crying out for a decent left back too. While i think Aurelio is as good as anyone when fit. The poor bsatard is made from glass.

    Man City - Some great talent here. Sven has bought very very well. Elano, Petrov, Corluka would all improve Liverpool somewhat.

    I'd probably throw our Robbie Keane in there too.

    All in all i don't think there's too many outstanding players outside of the 'top 4'(hate that term). And the ones that are, will all be overpriced.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    I reckon the following...

    Nicolas Anelka - Clinical
    Dimitar Berbatov - Intelligent
    Elano - Bags of quality. Great signing for City.
    Shay Given - Remains one of the best goalies in the league
    Micah Richards - Strong and powerful and still young
    Roque Santa Cruz - Impressive player who brings a lot to the table.
    Mikel Arteta - Crafty and cunning. A joy to watch.
    Tim Cahill - Very underrated performer.
    Robbie Keane - Quality on his day.
    Ledley King - Solid defender, when fit of course
    Michael Owen - Super striker, when fit of course
    Richard Dunne - He'd fit in at Liverpool well I reckon
    Obafemi Martins - I think he'd be awesome with regular service provided


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭pd101


    I think Santa Cruz would get into a Top 4 team at the moment and from what Ive seen Nicky Butt could too with the form he has shown this season.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,198 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Petrov would improve any of the top four's left wings, IMO. I think he's been a more useful player than Elano all season for Man City. Roque Santa Cruz could easily display Saha, Voronin, Crouch or even Shevchenko, although it's debatable if these are first teamers and whether he's want to warm the bench at a big 4 club.
    I think Arteta, for all his skill, is best suited in the smaller pond of Everton and wouldn't thrive so much at Manchester United or Arsenal.

    Given is having a terrible season, maybe just a blip, but he wouldn't replace any of the top keepers at the moment (except maybe Cech, who's on a rich streak of turgidity).

    I fail to see the appeal of Dean Ashton or why BBC commentators constantly fawn over him. Berbatov is not all that either. Ashley Young would improve Liverpool (or Liverpool would disimprove Young) if he replaced Benayoun or Pennant, or Kewell, though I think Babel has more potential.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    Robbie Keane is the premiership's top scorer for 2007. Must be in with a shout for one the awards along with Ronaldo and Fabregas.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    Think Laursen would do a job for any of em except United


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭AngelofFire


    Gareth Barry
    Gabriel Agbonlahor
    Benjani
    Nicholas Anelka
    Aaron Lennon
    Darren Bent
    Berbatov
    Roque Santa Cruz
    Arteta
    Micah Richards
    Sol Campbell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,404 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Dont think he's been mentioned, but i'd have Distin at Liverpool in a heartbeat!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Dunne > Distin imo


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭Killme00


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Dunne > Distin imo

    I agree but neither would replace Agger or Carragher

    Also Laursen for Villa is class


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Yeh don't think they are up to that standard. Can't say I think Barry is up to that standard either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Dunne would get more game time than Sami would and Aggers development would be improved by him playing alongside Dunne as well as Carragher.

    But i agree, i wouldnt for a second trade either of them for Agger.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,589 ✭✭✭✭Necronomicon


    Actually I shouldn't have needed last night's game to remind me, but Martin Petrov would go straight into the left wing of any top 4 club.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 662 ✭✭✭JæKæ


    I'd like to see players like Petrov, Bentley and Koumas with one of the bigger sides. They create so much for their respective sides, it would be interesting to see how they fare with better players around them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    petrov on his day can be very very good but i've seen him not turn up to a few games this season. dunno would he be in any of the top 4 until he becomes more consistent.


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