Christmas Present from RTE

watty

Mt Leinster CH39 now DTT



4 Tv channels and 8 radio services



Happy Christmas from RTENL

L1011

Now, do up Kippure and I can take down my second aerial... pretty please :P

JohnC.

We used to get terrestrial from Mt Leinster but I've not had a terrestrial aerial connected for years. If we used to get analogue terrestrial does that mean DTT should also work, or would there be issues like maybe it not having as much of a range or something to throw a spanner in the works?

DMC

MYOB wrote: »

Now, do up Kippure and I can take down my second aerial... pretty please :P

Some people are never satisfied

Wow. Nice one.

L1011

DMC wrote: »

Some people are never satisfied

Wow. Nice one.

I'll be satisfied when the Arranmore Relay is done, thank you very much

Our man in Havana

Where can i get a Set top box?

watty

Well I can "hear" some other UHF transmissions here nr. Limerick from Mt. Leinster.

I shall try a Quad x 18 Element array if it's still running in January.

watty

Bond-007 wrote: »

Where can i get a Set top box?

Don't.

Some cheap PCI PC cards do DVB-t (Maplin possibly?). Unlike a UK "freeview" box they use upgradeable PC software.

DMC

Bond-007 wrote: »

Where can i get a Set top box?

It begins.

Sponge Bob

when/where was this announced ??

mpeg 4 or mpeg2 ??

Our man in Havana

Receiving nothing atm.

Antenna

watty wrote: »

Well I can "hear" some other UHF transmissions here nr. Limerick from Mt. Leinster.

I shall try a Quad x 18 Element array if it's still running in January.

I don't think so Watty as Wood Cock Hill uses the same channel (39) for RTE1 analogue, and same polarisation.

Strange that they didn't put this Mt Leinster DTT on either Ch 30 or 34 - as these would be in the same antenna Group (A) for all existing UHF aerials its viewers have for existing analogue services. (30 and 34 are unused analogue allocations to Mt Leinster)

Mossy Monk

What is the broadcast range for DTT from Mount Leinster?

lawhec

If someone adds Truskmore I'll (self gratifying image not to be published!)!

Foggy43

When in Ireland I can get both Analouge UHF transmissons from Mount Leinster. Just point my aerial east! It normally points just west of north at Woodcock Hill and receives from there. To be honest the roof top aerial has had no function since Sky was installed.

I would love to be there to play with my antenna :eek:

I presume it has nothing to do with that BT trial presently going on in Dublin and Louth.

byte

lawhec wrote: »

If someone adds Truskmore I'll (self gratifying image not to be published!)!

If someone adds Truskmore, I'll... buy a DTT box

watty

Antenna wrote: »

I don't think so Watty as Wood Cock Hill uses the same channel (39) for RTE1 analogue, and same polarisation.

The path is nearly at right angles to Woodcock and DTT signal different from Analogue. I'm also screened from Woodcock by 70ft trees. If I put Woodcock into the null of the Yagi there is some slight chance Also Woodcock is only 100W ERP AM vestigial Sideband. If Woodcock was 5KW DTT, and Mt. Leinster 100W Analogue, then it would be impossible.

watty

Foggy43 wrote: »

I presume it has nothing to do with that BT trial presently going on in Dublin and Louth.

AFAIK it's a RTENL show.

e17

It is a trial Also on ch42 about 20kw erp for 6 months:)

Dulchie

This is a disaster!
Ch 39, 42 etc are already in use from Presley West Wales for DTT.
Many viewers in the South East have UHF aerials pointing to Mt. Leinster for TG4 and TV3 and another to Presley to pick up U.K. analogue.
In most weather conditions at least four DTT multiplexes are available in parts of Wexford and surrounding areas from Presley.
Are RTE trying to jam the U.K. DTT signals ?

John Dough

Dulchie wrote: »

This is a disaster!
Ch 39, 42 etc are already in use from Presley West Wales for DTT.
Many viewers in the South East have UHF aerials pointing to Mt. Leinster for TG4 and TV3 and another to Presley to pick up U.K. analogue.
In most weather conditions at least four DTT multiplexes are available in parts of Wexford and surrounding areas from Presley.
Are RTE trying to jam the U.K. DTT signals ?

I would not worry m8 as the welsh transmitters are only on 10% power atm so will be ok in time.

ffocused

Antenna wrote: »

Strange that they didn't put this Mt Leinster DTT on either Ch 30 or 34 - as these would be in the same antenna Group (A) for all existing UHF aerials its viewers have for existing analogue services. (30 and 34 are unused analogue allocations to Mt Leinster)

according to this

www.comreg.ie/_fileupload/publications/ComReg0765.pdf

on page 41 it lists channels 39 42 45 & 49 for DTT transmissions from Mt. Leinster

lucernarian

Well this answers a niggling question in the back of my head since I came home on Monday. The UK reception seemed slightly off especially on BBC1 (Ch. 39). Ch4 seems virtually the same though.

I'm delighted because the difference is barely noticeable except in comparison to a much clearer BBC2. I expected Mt. Leinster DTT would make our Kilkeel reception a lot worse.

Happy days!

Ganymede

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

Well this answers a niggling question in the back of my head since I came home on Monday. The UK reception seemed slightly off especially on BBC1 (Ch. 39). Ch4 seems virtually the same though.

I'm delighted because the difference is barely noticeable except in comparison to a much clearer BBC2. I expected Mt. Leinster DTT would make our Kilkeel reception a lot worse.

Happy days!

Don't get too excited - I believe it was operating on reduced power and also it hasn't been on-air since last weekend.....

bassy

i,m in kilkenny,what do i need to receive the dtt from mt.leinster?

i have a old uhf outdoor antenna,would this be any use?.

Foggy43

How are you receiving TV3 and TG4 at the moment?

bassy

rabbit ears

Foggy43 wrote: »

How are you receiving TV3 and TG4 at the moment?

Foggy43

It really is impossible to say what to do now as it is a trial and seems not be be on air at the moment. I'm sure over 10 years ago when RTE first drew up plans for DTT an indoor aerial would suffice.

I am pretty sure Ch.39 and CH.42 ideally require a UHF Group B aerial. Does your TV have a built in DTT receiver? If not you will need a set top box but again I feel it is a little too early to be buying DTT equipment. No one is sure if the UK Freeview boxes will be compatible. The 'will they use MPEG2 or MPEG4' issue. Personally I feel it will be MPEG2 as so many people have bought TV's with MPEG2 DTT receivers built in. Some stores in the UK expect the prices of these LCD and Plasma TV's to seriously drop in 2008 as no home team has qualified for Euro 2008. My advise is wait.

bassy

no lcd or plasma here,only have 32 crt widescreen.
just wanted to mess about and see if i could receive the dtt trial from mt.leinster

watty

They have already agreed it will be MPEG4 "mostly" for SD as well as all HD. That does not preclude some MPEG2 initially.

The spec needed for Irish DTT is now quite definite. MPEG4 (which includes MPEG2) and MHEG5 for EPG/Interactive/Text.


A CRT does not preclude an DTT tuner, but it would be very unusual in Ireland.

A LCD/Plasma does not automatically mean a DTT tuner. Only a few very recent sets have MPEG4 DTT tuners. Some older models had only DTT tuner option on UK model, not Irish Model.

bassy

is the dtt trial still broadcasting from mt.leinster now?.

BowWow

Can anyone confirm they have actually picked up this test?

mjsmyth

I had a look at one of the transmitter maps for Mount Leinster http://www.irish-tv.com/mount-leinsterplot.jpg and it would sem like Naas is covered, at least for analogue signals.

I hooked up my cheap a$$ technsonic DTT receiver and did a scan on 2k and 8k and got nothing.

So..... is this because:

a) the transmissions have stopped?
b) i just can't get them in Naas?
c) they are mpg4? (my box only does mpg2

Thanks,
MJ

watty

(a) and (c) are very likely. It was some sort of engineering test.

To me it would seem it could depend on how good your outdoor aerial is and exact location as to if Naas is possible.

Our man in Havana

I suspect the DTT footprint is much smaller than the analogue one.

mjsmyth

My aerial is in my attic... and I can't complain about the analogue signal I receive. It is roughly pointing south.

I had a look on Google Earth and there does not seem to be any hills in the way of my house and Mount Leinster.

Hopefully someone round here has an mpg4 compatible receiver and can confirm or deny whether they got a signal.

thanks,
MJ

lucernarian

So when exactly was this trial running?? It's a big coincidence that BBC1 and CH4 were the worst-performing channels last time I checked. I shall be going to a part of Tipp which is served by Mt. Leinster tomorrow. Sadly I'm not at home so I can't bring the mpeg4 box.

I might bring down a freeview box with me to see what happens.


When I get home to Louth I will try using a grid aerial from the house facing away from Kilkeel to pick up the test on the Humax box. I know that I can pick up TG4 with perfect reception (no boosting) using it. I expect that I should pick up something if it is running at 20 kW but not by much.

L1011

Is this proof that DTT is for Christmas and not for life?

bassy

says something here about mt.leinster having started trials

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_terrestrial_television_in_Ireland#Multiplexes

Our man in Havana

You should take what wikipedia says with a pinch of salt.

channelsurfer

so does that mean if mount leinster is working it would be worth getting a box here in tullamore to see if its receivable?

lawhec

Might try and generate a coverage map later. I'd say with the frequency the multiplex is on it's unlikely to be using the current UHF analogue aerial, more likely a spare/temp one lower down the mast.

marclt

John Dough wrote: »

I would not worry m8 as the welsh transmitters are only on 10% power atm so will be ok in time.

Yip, but when they get turned up in just over 18months time - what then...? There is a great deal of spillover along the coasts of each country - will the services be 'protected' in each direction - which effectively ends long distance reception.

I think the Irish Govt. needs to do a bit of a PR job in terms of people living in the south east in the run up to what is happening in Wales. Despite digital sat and mmds - there is still a reliance on analogue services from the UK and the snowy pictures in wexford and wicklow and beyond. My concern is that come digital switchover in the UK, vulnerable members of the community are going to be an easy target for dodgy installers looking to make quick bucks by selling overpriced aerial systems!!

Getting some sort of permanent (if not in name) service from Mt. Leinster should be a priority due to the high penetration of UK analogue services.

lawhec

Why should the Irish government really run any PR regarding the reception of what is foreign broadcasts?

The frequencies for Mt. Leinster & Presely for DTT were agreed at the ITU conference last year where I assume any concerns about interference would have been raised. To change the frequencies of one of the transmitters in question would need a replanning alongside neighbouring transmitters and their reserved frequencies.

Mossy Monk

lawhec wrote: »

Why should the Irish government really run any PR regarding the reception of what is foreign broadcasts?

Agreed. I do not see why tax money should be spent to prevent stupid people from being shafted.

Foggy43

Mossy! I hope you are in no way referring to vunerable people as stupid.

Mossy Monk

Foggy43 wrote: »

Mossy! I hope you are in no way referring to vunerable people as stupid.

I am not referring to vulnerable people. I do not think my post even came close to suggesting it. I am referring to the people who throw money at the con men without even investigating what options are available.

Foggy43

Cheers! I was afraid it maybe picked up the wrong way.

Sponge Bob

There is already a need for education of the 'vulnerable 'from the snake oil merchants .

DTT spillover coverage

1. Post DSO in the UK
2. Post boost to Output Levels of UK transmitters

may well never be as good as analogue. If it works now pre DSO ( closer to the border) it may stop working once we turn a transmitter or two on ourselves.

Its utterly pointless replacing lots of large aerials dotted along the Galway Dublin road between Ballinasloe and Dublin ....and at great cost .

SPDUB

Bond-007 wrote: »

You should take what wikipedia says with a pinch of salt.

Actually in this case very accurate since someone ( not me ) was posting as soon as Watty made the announcements

marclt

Mossy Monk wrote: »

I am not referring to vulnerable people. I do not think my post even came close to suggesting it. I am referring to the people who throw money at the con men without even investigating what options are available.

True, but people are easily conned and technology naturally confuses some people - particularly older people.

I can imagine some people of my grandmothers generation parting with cash for an aerial setup in order to keep watching countdown or cash in the attic or whatever. In their eyes, tv is just tv they aren't necessarily thinking about how (in terms of equipment) they receive it.

Why else is there such a publicity campaign in the UK... people switching to digital isn't really making money for the broadcasters who have to pay for the advertisements to go out. Information on this matter is a public service.

I think the issue in the south east and along the border is unique (probably in Europe) for nearly 50 years viewers have actively accessed 'foreign' services so they aren't necessarily seen as something foreign to most people. they just appear on whatever channel numbers they've been set to on the tv.

Perhaps it shouldn't be seen as a waste of money by the Irish taxpayer (heaven knows there's enough floating about) but as the perfect opportunity to market the irish dtt system, and face those aerials to mount leinster instead of presely?

just a thought....