Disgraceful behaviour (Working title: The Mason and the Moderator)

Karoma

Hi,
Two complaints:

Firstly:
I'd like to complain about myself.
I'm rude, antagonistic and provocative.
I don't think I really need to prove this by providing links. That's just not how we roll.


Secondly:
As of 16:51, 20th December 2007, I declared shenanigans.
The user has since failed to come up with the goods. Instead, they assaulted my character leaving my character seriously bruised. Fortunately, my ego has survived the attack, as has
my sense of righteous-indignation!
I DEMAND A RESOLUTION!
Links? You want links? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE LINKS! (They're sooper sekkrit. I'd have to give your neck the secret handshake first.)

I rang the Masonic hall and they didn't say the WM was "ned78"... Proof enough? I think so.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

we need PEERRRY MAAAASON

Owen

Actually, you were rude to me in PM. And if you check your recent PM, you'll see I gave you correct contact details. Mods, any chance of locking this type of ****e up? It's personal abuse, and it's not funny in the least.

super_furry

Who controls the British Crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We do, we do.
Who keeps Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
We do, we do.
Who holds back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?
We do, we do.
Who robs cave fish of their sight?
Who rigs every Oscar night?
We do, we do

FlutterinBantam

I'd love to know what that spat was all about:)

Karoma

I question the validity of your member.
You refuted the questioning of your member by pointing out that you post in a thread on Masonry. I've posted many times in the LGBTMGFT forum - that doesn't make me a transgender, homosexual, or even a bi-sexual. The shenanigans remain!

Firrst PM:
You started off with profanity and aggression.
I said you had your knickers in a twist - I stand by this. I asked you to prove yourself. I know what I want to read as proof. You, if you are who you say you are, can prove yourself. No, "ask the Masonic hall for ned78" doesn't cut it. Nor does giving me a valid name - how do I know it's you, or you're him, or he's you or that's it's not the bread of doom playing a trick on me?


Another thing you find offensive and cannot joke about? I'll add that to the list... let's see... page 666...done.

Karoma

ned78 wrote:

Actually, you were rude to me in PM.

I don't think so, but if that's how it appeared to you - then, there's not much I can do about that. We can show the PM's to an SMod and let them look over them.
Although, it's good that we agree on at least one thing. I'm usually rude. Thank you. Not that this has anything to do with my posts or this thread or, um, anything - I'm a moderator, not a saint.


What it's really about? That's a sekkrit.
What this is kind of about?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055204456
He jumped in, and pointed out his thread in Help Desk. He entered it as Exhibit A and it was then fair game for discussion in AH. His knickers are getting more and more twisted as we go on.



http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54703755&postcount=38
SHENANANANIGANS!!!
How dare you insult the Masonic symbol?! It's OK for you to do so because you think you're one? but not for a bunch of people who borrowed certain elements of the logo?
SHENANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANIGANS!!!

muffler

Dont sell the film rights to this just yet

Karoma

muffler wrote: »

Dont sell the film rights to this just yet

But...there's drama and laughs and some nudity...

oleras

Karoma wrote: »

But...there's drama and laughs and some nudity...

Depends who gets nude !!

BuffyBot

I'm already going back to the lobby with my half eaten popcorn bucket and twice-slurped diet Coke to demand my money back..

Agent Smith

Karoma wrote: »

Hi,
Two complaints:

Firstly:
I'd like to complain about myself.
I'm rude, antagonistic and provocative.
I don't think I really need to prove this by providing links. That's just not how we roll.


Secondly:
As of 16:51, 20th December 2007, I declared shenanigans.
The user has since failed to come up with the goods. Instead, they assaulted my character leaving my character seriously bruised. Fortunately, my ego has survived the attack, as has
my sense of righteous-indignation!
I DEMAND A RESOLUTION!
Links? You want links? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE LINKS! (They're sooper sekkrit. I'd have to give your neck the secret handshake first.)

I rang the Masonic hall and they didn't say the WM was "ned78"... Proof enough? I think so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNzZzsvOClc

tbh

muffler

Karoma wrote: »

But...there's drama and laughs and some nudity...

There is no way that you are going to have your head digitally attached to my body :eek:

DeVore

Ok, I dunno what this is about and I suspect its about nothing. I've replied to the helpsdesk thread but next time some real feedback please.

DeV.

Beruthiel

Storm in a tea cup Tom.
Knickers in a twist.
I'm important, don't take the piss out of me and my homies.

Take your pick.

Asok

I just don't like white people.

Beruthiel

I don't like people from Roscommon!

oh..
wait...

Agent Smith

Beruthiel wrote: »

I don't like people from Roscommon!

oh..
wait...

meh, dont worry, they wont have teh internets down there till 2014

Hagar

Only about 3 or 4 people had the logo before Ned78 started his Helpdesk thread.
After that it took on a life of it's own.
If he'd said nothing we would be working on our King Herod graphic right now.

RoundyMooney

We're all going to be blackballed now...

Boston

taps signature.

faceman

I thought the L stood for lyons tea tbh. I drink it, but i dont need to tell the world that i do.

azezil

Beruthiel

Hagar wrote: »

Only about 3 or 4 people had the logo before Ned78 started his Helpdesk thread.

There's no such thing as bad publicity

DeVore

To be honest, I've always put "doing something because it will rub someone the wrong way" on the intellectual level of "listening to metal because my parents hate it".
I've no particular objection to the image (as I've said in the helpdesk thread) because I understand there is no malice in its (ab)use but its occupies the same area of my brain as the Danish cartoons of Mohammed... ie: Of course they should be able to print what they like... they should just be more polite and not.

To be fair to Ned78, he's been quite polite (in public, I can't judge the PM's) about the topic. I'm not sure if it was some peoples pet topic having its nose playfully tweaked that they would be quite so restrained...

DeV.

Boston

DeVore wrote: »

To be honest, I've always put "doing something because it will rub someone the wrong way" on the intellectual level of "listening to metal because my parents hate it".

DeV.

When people start to dictate to others what they should and shouldn't hold sacred or of value from an unrelated culture, it puts there back up. You are no stranger to this concept, as this thread from yester-year demonstrates. In that thread when asked to respect the sensibility of others regardless of malicious intent, you're response was "bollix". In the same vain to ned there I simply say, don't go looking for offense when none was intended.

faceman

i dont think the image should be the issue, but what it represents should. But in this case, i personally dont see an issue with it. The lolcaust boardsies are doing their thing behind closed doors, in the same way do freemasons do. So its a kind of art imitating life thing.

Whats more offensive is DeV's comment about listening to metal cos his parents hate it. Im offended cos i listen to metal and i have no parents**.



** parents bit may not be true..

r3nu4l

I'd just like to point out that not all Lolocaust members are using the image in their signature! I for one am not.

DeV, it wasn't designed in the first place to irritate the masons. In this case I believe that it was simply designed as a symbol for fellow lolocaust members to recognise one another as part of 'the club' and imitating the idea of secrets and secrecy that the masons hold dear.

I do believe however that the idea that it annoys some masons has appealed to some lolocaust folk and they are now using it as a result but that was not the original intention. (I think). As I say, I don't use the symbol but that's just my choice, not a statement about the craft one way or another.

DeVore

I said bollox because it was bollox, I cannot see how a light hearted piece about my hair being homosexual "I have gay hair" could possibly offend and I felt people were taking offence on purpose. I also have supported the use of the image on the same grounds, ie: Ned78 shouldnt be offended by it and I said as much.

However what I am criticising is the comments about the organisation AFTER a polite objection was raised, to wit:
"its just a badge yore ma gives out after a good roide."
"you must be of legal age to receive the paddling of the swollen ass"
"Look it's bunch of guys with vagina envy.... just look at the symbol."
etc.

You'll note that when I wrote, and was taken to task over, the "I have gay hair" piece I did NOT respond with "bunch of arse bandits, I shouldn't expect any better from you queens". I explained my reasons and beliefs and stood by them. I called Yoda's (iirc) post Bollox because that neatly summed up what I thought of his point. I did not however lambast his social grouping.

My point is this: When a genuine, if imho misguided, objection was raised a more mature tone and approach could have been taken by a few people who I have seen get on their horses about pet topics of theirs that they feel have been mocked.

You'll notice I've "ruled" in favour of the image being used, I'm simply adding my own point of view on the end.

DeV.

DeVore

r3nu4l wrote: »

I'd just like to point out that not all Lolocaust members are using the image in their signature! I for one am not.

DeV, it wasn't designed in the first place to irritate the masons. In this case I believe that it was simply designed as a symbol for fellow lolocaust members to recognise one another as part of 'the club' and imitating the idea of secrets and secrecy that the masons hold dear.

I completely get that. I have completely backed that too. I thought it was funny, bordering on the "on no they didn't" hilarious!! I have been around here a while you know, I kinda get the humour

I do believe however that the idea that it annoys some masons has appealed to some lolocaust folk and they are now using it as a result but that was not the original intention. (I think). As I say, I don't use the symbol but that's just my choice, not a statement about the craft one way or another.

This is the bit I find a little childish and more then a little hypocritical but I don't hold Lolocaust responsible for the actions of its members. That would be dumb.

DeV.

Boston

I took your comment about people having a right to use pictures of Muhammad but shouldn't out of politeness to indicate that you felt the images shouldn't be used out of consideration. This in my mind contrasted the opinions expressed in the thread I linked to. I should note that I'm not a member of the private forum in question.

r3nu4l

DeVore wrote: »

I completely get that. I have completely backed that too. I thought it was funny, bordering on the "on no they didn't" hilarious!! I have been around here a while you know, I kinda get the humour

Yeah sorry, wasn't trying to be condescending, just wasn't sure how much of the history of this you'd looked into and was trying to add some background just in case.

This is the bit I find a little childish and more then a little hypocritical but I don't hold Lolocaust responsible for the actions of its members. That would be dumb.

Agree with first point, grateful for the second point

/avoids Admin ban hammer this time

DeV.[/QUOTE]

DeVore

Boston wrote: »

In the same vain to ned there I simply say, don't go looking for offense when none was intended.

Thats the problem, he *didn't* go looking for offense... the use of site-wide sigs put it in front of him.

There is far far worse on the forum itself but if someone were to knowingly ask for access and then come crying to me about being "offended" they would get a very swift response from me, of the negative variety. Thats a considerably different matter.

As I've said:

1. I've ruled the image allowable,

2. I am warning against further use of sigs for potentially offensive material because thats what the forum is for, and why its private.

3. I've added a personal comment about my views on the topic.

Sorry, did I forfeit my right to an opinion when I donned an admin hat any more then Mods forfeit theirs?

DeV.

Boston

Inconsistent opinion.

DeVore

Bollox.

DeV.

SimpleSam06

Boston

DeVore wrote: »

Bollox.

DeV.

randylonghorn

DeVore wrote: »

Bollox.

DeV.

Sounds fairly consistent to me!

/hands out glasses of Christmas spirit

DRINK IT!! :mad: :mad:

Kintarō Hattori

I have to say I'm impressed and a little disappointed with the attitude of some people here. As usual there are the few posters who are willing to fairly and clearly listen to another posters query and answer it responsibly. And then there are the few who simply go on the attack and totally demeen and belittle that poster.

Now I don't know the symbol ned78 is referring too, nor do I even know that much about Masons but it is a shame when a poster such as he who is always polite and upfront is belittled and not dealt with in a fair and proper manner. I have never known ned to attack someone or be rude or offensive.

Just adding my 2 cents.

Karoma

Can we script Feedback responses already?

"Now, I don't know what's going on. I haven't read anything. I haven't a clue what's going on, but I am entitled to an ill-informed opinion anyways and you're going to read it. blah blah blah.

Just sticking my oar in."


I started this thread in Feedback because ned78 was being a bit of a dick in PM. I think it's silly that he's bitching about it in Help Desk where LOLocaust cannot reply and LOLocaust are having a discussion/debate where ned78 cannot read/reply. Let's all just sit down and discuss the stupid thing like grown-ups*. People who have some idea of what's going on need reply only.


*I accept now that you are a grown-up, ned78. You still didn't have to get so pissy.

Kintarō Hattori

Karoma wrote: »

Can we script Feedback responses already?

"Now, I don't know what's going on. I haven't read anything. I haven't a clue what's going on, but I am entitled to an ill-informed opinion anyways and you're going to read it. blah blah blah.

Just sticking my oar in."

I have read this thread and the helpdesk thread too. You didn't make it entirely clear what was going on. Perhaps my opinion is ill-informed, but it was the best I could with the limited information you provided.

Now I've no beef with you Karoma, but you did seem to take things rather personally and in fairness based on what we've seen you have come across as being rather childish in relation to this matter.

DeVore

I thought the whole thing has been nicely wrapped up. I'm sure a few people will continue to mock but i think that can be said for most things. I'm not about to ban the image because its not being offensive deliberately but I *have* argued the point and a lot of people have taken that point on board. If it had had a cock or a swastika in it it would have been drawning a connection where there wasnt one.
Quite simply the image was appropriated rather then demonised. There may be a copyright issue but if you want me to solve all of those, well, I'm going to need an extra shot in my latte this morning...

You ever have a mouth ulcer that would go away, if only you'd stop tonguing it??

DeV.

Hagar

So did I.

We are running a competition to come up with a new logo for the forum. Hopefully people will have a bit of time to design something good over the holidays. I expect when the new logo starts to circulate the mason parody one will fade away like last year's Man Utd jersey.

Orion

So an Orange Order parody next then?


I'm not making a comparison

Karoma

DeVore wrote: »

I thought the whole thing has been nicely wrapped up.

As did I. I'm done.

You ever have a mouth ulcer that would go away, if only you'd stop tonguing it??

Please don't seek medical advice...

Get some Bonjela. It rocks.

faceman

Post reported

Owen

Karoma wrote: »

I started this thread in Feedback because ned78 was being a bit of a dick

Pot, kettle, black.

Karoma wrote: »

I accept now that you are a grown-up, ned78. You still didn't have to get so pissy.

People in glasshouses ...

I had tried to make the point as politely as possible, but you chose to immediately wind me up in an open thread. I tried taking it to PM, and when I did that, you started another thread, this one in fact, designed completely to take the piss. It was that type of childish behaviour that I raised in my PM to you when asking you what your particular problem with me is, but that was before I was educated by another boardsie - apparently you're highly skilled at winding people up But if I did anything in particular way out of order Karoma, then apologies, and I hope you accept them

To Hagar, your answer to me was that I started a helpdesk thread without consulting you first. I had to start the thread, as without access to lolocaust, I couldn't see who the mods were. I hope you're not offended or irritated either.

At this stage, while the logo still irks me, I appreciate that people will continue to find it a source of amusement. And there's bugger all I, or anyone else can do about it. Perhaps a new logo competition will fix it, I hope it will, but I think overall the lesson to be learned here is that it's not cool or clever to screw around with an organisation's logo, keeping it almost identical to the original, but changing it's purpose and intent.

Thanks to everyone who's debated in the issue!

Orion

ned78 - the majority of people (myself included) have removed it. The only intention was a bit of a windup and as these kind of things are wont to do it got a little out of hand. As Hagar said I'm sure the replacement will make everyone forget about this one

Karoma

*inhales slowly*


*exhales slowly*



Merry Christmas everyone.

DeVore

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, we're done.

DeV.