Hip Hop - would it survive without image

mise_me_fein

Just notice that a lot of hip hop sounds the same in the past while. I mean it is the pop music of the day. I know there's a lot of underground stuff that might be very different and cool, but the majority of people in hip hop are there to make money and are only to happy to be pop.

Question is, would these "artists" survive without Video and visual advertising in your opinion.

tom-thebox

It would be a lot harder that would be for sure

Orizio

I fail to see whats wrong with making money. Basically all music artists like making money, its quite a human trait you see...:rolleyes:

As for the majority of Hip-Hop artists being 'pop', you actually don't listen to a lot Hip-Hop do you? (note that the odd glance at MTV Base does not count)

Kold

Making money these days is a case of marketing and exploitation. I see a problem with that. Art is cheapened by money.

Orizio

Orizio wrote: »

I fail to see whats wrong with making money. Basically all music artists like making money, its quite a human trait you see...:rolleyes:

As for the majority of Hip-Hop artists being 'pop', you actually don't listen to a lot Hip-Hop do you? (note that the odd glance at MTV Base does not count)

I fail to see how that is NOT the biggest problem in music as a whole these days. Music is an art form, not a business venture.
It is interesting though, is popular music "art" anymore?
When you have people out to make a buck, can they call themselves artists? I personally think the whole hip hop (pop) genre is out to make a quick buck, whereas the hip hop (underground) genre is there because they do what they love.
Also, record companies (Majors) would have a lot to say about what your image should be too.

mise_me_fein

Orizio wrote: »

I fail to see whats wrong with making money. Basically all music artists like making money, its quite a human trait you see...:rolleyes:

As for the majority of Hip-Hop artists being 'pop', you actually don't listen to a lot Hip-Hop do you? (note that the odd glance at MTV Base does not count)

what age are you 12? So I suppose taking into account what you have written, when Simon Cowell got the WWE Superstars and Mr Blobby to make a record, this was both art and a human trait - hey Blobby 50 cent, it's all the same right?

I know a decent amount of hip hop actually. I used to listen to it a lot but I play music myself and I've come to the belief that other than lyrically(which most of the time is crap), there is no place for rappers in music.

Orizio

Papa Smut wrote: »

I fail to see how that is NOT the biggest problem in music as a whole these days. Music is an art form, not a business venture.
It is interesting though, is popular music "art" anymore?
When you have people out to make a buck, can they call themselves artists? I personally think the whole hip hop (pop) genre is out to make a quick buck, whereas the hip hop (underground) genre is there because they do what they love.
Also, record companies (Majors) would have a lot to say about what your image should be too.

Of course I never said music should/is just a business venture, rather that there is nothing wrong with making money and making music. Even musicians have to pay bills. Only the most hypocritically puritanical human could argue today that music artists shouldn't be rewarded finacially for there hard work like the rest of us.

The problem is when majors and certain artists put the money before the art. But I do not believe the majority of Hip-Hop artists, or rock or electronic, do that. Its a situation of the majors having the money and contacts to put the 50 Cents on the TV before the best indie artists, not a genre 'dying' because of the evil temptations of money.

Orizio

mise_me_fein wrote: »

what age are you 12? So I suppose taking into account what you have written, when Simon Cowell got the WWE Superstars and Mr Blobby to make a record, this was both art and a human trait - hey Blobby 50 cent, it's all the same right?

I know a decent amount of hip hop actually. I used to listen to it a lot but I play music myself and I've come to the belief that other than lyrically(which most of the time is crap), there is no place for rappers in music.

Go listen to some Cunninlynguists, Zeph & Azeem, Panacea, Immortal Technique, Brother Reade etc and get back to me.

mise_me_fein

Orizio wrote: »

Go listen to some Cunninlynguists, Zeph & Azeem, Panacea, Immortal Technique, Brother Reade etc and get back to me.

Just ****in ban me man, no need to send your personal insult cr*p via email.

Plenty of personal insults in hip hop I might ad.

I made a valid point and I got insulted as to whether I listen to anything of hip hop other than MTV Base.

You're a knob.

Orizio

mise_me_fein wrote: »

Just ****in ban me man,

No problem.

Executive Steve

Orizio wrote: »

I fail to see whats wrong with making money. Basically all music artists like making money, its quite a human trait you see...:rolleyes:

As for the majority of Hip-Hop artists being 'pop', you actually don't listen to a lot Hip-Hop do you? (note that the odd glance at MTV Base does not count)

but what she said was the opposite surely, and that most pop is hip hop?




don't think anyone would really disagree with that...

grass roots stuff will always be there, and there will always be the heads who keep it real on a local and international level doing absolutely fine without "image" - whereas getting your picture taken with donald trump and your face in hello magazine seems to be quite important for your p.diddys and more power to them.


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KrazeeEyezKilla

but what she said was the opposite surely, and that most pop is hip hop?

Most mainstream Hip-Hop & Pop resembles R&B now.

Kold

Well considering R'n'B doesn't stand for 'Rhythm & Blues' anymore, "Pop music made with a black person involved" would be closer to the mark...

AckwelFoley

Orizio wrote: »

No problem.

LMFAO!!

Yes, im a life long fan of rap, rytham an bulls**t, soul, Motown etc..

here is some ok ..commercial stuff, but as stated there is tonnes of good new rappers out there.

Messiah J and the expert from Ireland being one of them.

all the stars

Em, Messiah J & Expert are interesting to watch live. thats about it. Have seen them twice. Very "micheal stype". Not sure i would rate their lyrics too highly.. I really like Scaryeire, good music - are amazing live and write about relateable things.

Its very hard to get anywhere musically in Ireland, no doors open really unless you are another singer songwriter with guitar in tow... well, down in the midlands that is for sure ( not sure if thats how it is in Dublin & cities)

Executive Steve

irish hip hop faces the exact same difficulty as irish novels set and films set in cities to be honest.

not enough happens here and we're not culturally distinct enough to have themes that set us apart from the rest of the world map; and what local colour you can put in there generally ends up being boiled down to rhyming about guinness and using the word bollocks ad nauseam.

BLITZ_Molloy

Rapping is storytelling. No reason the Irish couldn't be world class at it because we never stop spinning tales. There are plenty of examples like Scary Eire's Dole Q that show how it's done.

Problem is there are a bajillion avenues for kids to learn the guitar and get into bands, even in small population centers. My local youth club has had 5 or 6 bands playing every single saturday night, and many of them were excellent. But there's no structure set up for people to learn to rap in Ireland. In Scotland for instance Respek BA does workshops with kids to teach them. In the UK they have battling and pirate radio.

I'm sure it'll all pick up eventually. It'll just take another 20 years. Maybe if UK hip hop wasn't in the doldrums as well things might be a bit healthier over here.