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UT3 PC Sells 33,995, Crysis Sells 86,633 in US in November
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16-12-2007 11:39pm#1
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GH3 ftw!!! Got it yesterday for the wii and it's brilliant!!I have all of that top ten cept guitar hero and i have UT and crysis and mario and sonic
Pc + consoles = fact
My pc died so only playing the consoles atm.
kdjac
As for the rest - when is the last time a PC game made the top 10? Consoles have become the front runner in the gaming market and PC gaming is seen as the more "hardcore" gaming system of choice.0 -
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I put it down to the learning curve of playing games on the PC and the non existant learning curve for playing on a console.
Someone with the IQ of a chimp could load up CoD4 on a console. But you need at least a intermediate knowledge of PC's to get the latest graphics drivers, check your disk space is free, configure the graphic settings, debug crashes, apply patchs... then there's overclocking, building PC's, knowing what hardware to get...etc
I could go on. But we usually see a lull in PC sales when a new generation of consoles get released, as, graphically, consoles suddenly become on par (ish) with PC games. Come this time next year it might be a different story with PC games once again blazing ahead of consoles technically, and consoles being left behind until there next gen is released a few years from now. (although the dorment power of the PS3 unerves me
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witnessmenow wrote: »maybe pc games should go down the route half-life2 took?
No, Just no.
Having to register online to play the single player off-line game i just bought is the worst idea ever.
HL2 got away with it because it's quite a good game and the hype machine behind it made people far too curious, but i never, ever want to have to do that again.
I've given you my money, stop making me jump through extra hoops.I could go on. But we usually see a lull in PC sales when a new generation of consoles get released, as, graphically, consoles suddenly become on par (ish) with PC games. Come this time next year it might be a different story with PC games once again blazing ahead of consoles technically, and consoles being left behind until there next gen is released a few years from now. (although the dormant power of the PS3 unnerves me)
I don't know what makes you think that. In a years time buying a top range PC will still be as expensive as it is now, where as buying a ps3 or 360 will be the same, or maybe a bit cheaper.
Yes, the much hyped "generic tech demo #4515 masquerading as a shooter" will be more shiny than anything on those two consoles, but so what?
To the majority of the games buying public, the PC is a nightmare of high expense, strange issues with things called "drivers" and "patches" and the whole thing will be obsolete in six months. And their console of choice is a simple pop-in an play.
So, to the average person, it's cheap, easy and not that much different graphically, Vs complicated, expensive and only slightly shinier.
PC sales will always play second fiddle to the consoles.0 -
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it's very simple and i'm surprised these bigshots at gamespy don't get it.
most expensive console atm is what max 500 euros, to get a pc capable of playing COD4, UT3 and crysis at the sort of level that a PS3/360 would play them, at least 1000 euros.
consoles will always be second rate for first person shooters nothing will change that tbh unless you hook up a mouse and keyboard and play on a decent montior, well then you're basically playing on a pc setup just without the extras a pc can do.
Its nothing to do with the price of consoles vs the price of PC's, its all to do with the fact that if go to google and type in 'crysis torrent pirate bay' ill have crysis for free by the end of the day. The whole pc vs consoles argument youre trying to bring inh ere smacks of clutching at straws tbh. Its the fault of pc owners who are so used to getting everything like patches maps and mods for free that piracy is second nature for the majority of them. And yes i am a PC owner, and no, ive never downloaded a cracked game.
If people insist on pirating PC games, this **** is going to keep happening.I put it down to the learning curve of playing games on the PC and the non existant learning curve for playing on a console.
Someone with the IQ of a chimp could load up CoD4 on a console. But you need at least a intermediate knowledge of PC's to get the latest graphics drivers, check your disk space is free, configure the graphic settings, debug crashes, apply patchs... then there's overclocking, building PC's, knowing what hardware to get...etc
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lol yes he has the iq of the chimp cos he chooses not to have to do that ****.
kdjac
My point is that I don't find it ****e, I enjoy working with PC's, and find it easy. But I know a lot of my friends just want to play games and don't wish to learn anything. They view games as a way to shut their brain off. Having to think about whether their PC can handle a game or if its set up right doesn't interest them. Which is why consoles will always be more attractive to the majority.
If people could get more TV channels, better reception and cheaper prices by buying their own satellite dish, reading up about how to configure it and setting it up themselves they still wouldn't, they'd go with the easier all-in-1 solution.
A simple case in point being the number of threads seeking assistance to build a gaming pc in the building & upgrading forum, compared to the number of set up, install questions being asked in the console forum.
Plus its an unfair comparison looking at UT3, as a lot of UT2004 players view UT3 as inferior and Crysis, while technically advanced, lacks a lot in regards to game length and game play, and also can't run well on anything but the highest end systems. I'd like to see comparison sales of the console games in that list to Crysis in a year or so when more peoples machines catch up with it and the user mods and maps are at the level of Quake III. Crysis, whilst not the best singleplayer game, has a lot more longevity in regards to multiplayer due to its excellent map designer.
Seriously.
good rebut there 0ubliette, really fighting the console gamers corner with that one.0 -
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PC > Console .... FACT!!!
My Ma > Yore Ma .... FACT!!!
Can you provide a source?
If what matters to you is how shiney crysis is then go buy an uber-expensive piece of kit, install, patch, tune and more the power to you tbh.
I enjoy the fact that if i want to play the latest multiplatform/console exclusive game I can just pop the disc in and away I go. If i want to play multiplayer i just hop on xbox live (wii is too fiddly). There hasn't been any pc exclusive that has made me consider buying a new pc for, which may say something either about pc-console multi platform releases, quality of pc exclusive titles or my own personal taste, since my pc is about 8 years old... (except *MAYBE* TF2 but i cant justify that amount of money for just one game).
Why there is so much agro between pc and console gamers is beyond me. Maybe PC gamers feel they have to justify the enormous amounts of money they spend on a regular basis in face of consoles that are becoming more popular? Maybe console gamers dont like their faces rubbed in it when it comes to a 'my 1337 graphix are betterz than yerz lol!!oneone!111!' pissing contest?
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Why cant we all just get along
But in all seriousness, it is aggravating to hear people ****e on about Halo saying that it is THE multiplayer experience fullstop. when in fact It has nothing on any decent PC shooter, and thats a FACT.
Consoles have advantages too but most of the age old console arguments are now flawed..
ITS CHEAPER! How many of you have bought 1000 euro TVs to use these consoles to their full potential? Halo costs what 70 euro? Orange Box on the PC had FIVE excellent games, each scoring 90% average in reviews all for around 40 euro...
IT JUST WORKS! How many have had issues with Xbox360s dieing, game patches etc. How frustrating is it to have to send your console away for a month to be fixed when 99% of Pc problems can be fixed in minutes, and if a component is broken, a new part can be had in days...
Im just after buying a PS3, because consoles are better lots of things like sports games and local multiplayer...
Anyway, in a Nutshell Halo is ****e and the PC is the only playform for shooters 0 -
My Ma > Yore Ma .... FACT!!!
Why there is so much agro between pc and console gamers is beyond me. Maybe PC gamers feel they have to justify the enormous amounts of money they spend on a regular basis in face of consoles that are becoming more popular? Maybe console gamers dont like their faces rubbed in it when it comes to a 'my 1337 graphix are betterz than yerz lol!!oneone!111!' pissing contest?
Meh, different strokes for different folks
Tbh, the price differences between pc gaming and consoles isnt as vast as some people believe. The PC im currently using will run anything except crysis at max settings, and coupled with my monitor cost me about €1150. A PS3 and a decent HDTV would cost around €900. A small difference in price, considering:
PS3 has a far smaller library of games
Said games are more expensive (by quite a margin in some cases)
The PC can be used for a wide range of applications in addition to gaming
The PC is graphically superior (imho)
But as you say, different strokes. I can understand the appeal of "just working", although in 90% of the cases I have problems trying to run a game, a quick google search sorts me out in five minutes.0 -
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I think the problem is PC users (I am one) feel threatened by the ever increasing market share of consoles. I can see it eventually getting to the stage where there'll be f**k all released on the PC, and anything that is will be a several months late console port
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I think the problem is PC users (I am one) feel threatened by the ever increasing market share of consoles. I can see it eventually getting to the stage where there'll be f**k all released on the PC, and anything that is will be a several months late console port
Yup
Even COD4 and UT3 were heavily affected by being multiplatform, COD4 is still awesome on PC but UT3 has suffered a lot...0 -
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conzymaher wrote: »Why cant we all just get along
But in all seriousness, it is aggravating to hear people ****e on about Halo saying that it is THE multiplayer experience fullstop. when in fact It has nothing on any decent PC shooter, and thats a FACT.
In fairness, your arguements are even more flawed. Few people say Halo is the ultimate gaming experience, it won't win game of the year or online experience of the year for the 360, never mind of all time. CoD4, for instance, blows it out of the water.
And there are very few PC shooters out these days not also on a console.
Orange Box was on 360 and PS3 as well? And could be got for not much more than €40 online.conzymaher wrote: »ITS CHEAPER! How many of you have bought 1000 euro TVs to use these consoles to their full potential? Halo costs what 70 euro? Orange Box on the PC had FIVE excellent games, each scoring 90% average in reviews all for around 40 euro...
You could hook your console upto the same monitor you use for your PC, so thats another moot point.
If your console breaks, you send it off and it comes back fixed. No going out and buying new parts, no opening it up and fiddling with things most people don't have a clue what they are/do. If you want to, most of the console problems can be fixed yourself, but why bother?conzymaher wrote: »IT JUST WORKS! How many have had issues with Xbox360s dieing, game patches etc. How frustrating is it to have to send your console away for a month to be fixed when 99% of Pc problems can be fixed in minutes, and if a component is broken, a new part can be had in days...
If you were waiting on parts to be repaired on a PC without buying a replacement most likely you'd be waiting a month or more too while it is RMA'd. Game patches are automatic, no having to go find them and install.
To be perfectly honest, you sound like one of the anti-Halo brigade, and because you don't like that one game, you hate all consoles.
And yes I have a PC capable of running most recent games, and the last one I bought for PC was HL2 the day it came out (and that was on my old PC).0 -
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most aren't the same as pc versions though. eg. UT3 on the console is 30% slower than pc. you cant play console vs pc multiplayer games, can you? Is CS on console? Quake? most of the UT's (bar ut3)? the real reason games are being made for console now is just to sell more, and get more profit.In fairness, your arguements are even more flawed. Few people say Halo is the ultimate gaming experience, it won't win game of the year or online experience of the year for the 360, never mind of all time. CoD4, for instance, blows it out of the water.
And there are very few PC shooters out these days not also on a console.
yeah, but you had to waitOrange Box was on 360 and PS3 as well? And could be got for not much more than €40 online.
You could hook your console upto the same monitor you use for your PC, so thats another moot point.
anyway, you're telling me that most people actually thought of that? I'd say most saw something about hd tv's and ps3 somewhere, and went and bought brand new HDTV's. not connecting it to their pc monitor.
I'd say roughly, 75%+ of pc gamers, build their own pc's. So saying they dont know what they're at.. would be a bit wrong. oh and if you get a good RMA it will take maybe 2 weeks at very most. thing is, with pc's you CAN actually get a replacement in the meantime. consoles you cant. obviously why you decided to exclude it.If your console breaks, you send it off and it comes back fixed. No going out and buying new parts, no opening it up and fiddling with things most people don't have a clue what they are/do. If you want to, most of the console problems can be fixed yourself, but why bother?
If you were waiting on parts to be repaired on a PC without buying a replacement most likely you'd be waiting a month or more too while it is RMA'd. Game patches are automatic, no having to go find them and install.To be perfectly honest, you sound like one of the anti-Halo brigade, and because you don't like that one game, you hate all consoles.
And yes I have a PC capable of running most recent games, and the last one I bought for PC was HL2 the day it came out (and that was on my old PC).
He also didn't mention about console games not being controllable at all, eg. in game configs, etc etc.
God knows where all the pro fps players would be without weapon binds.. oh and it doesnt matter if your pc isnt 1337, you can just turn down the gfx quality.0 -
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DemocAnarchis wrote: »Tbh, the price differences between pc gaming and consoles isnt as vast as some people believe. The PC im currently using will run anything except crysis at max settings, and coupled with my monitor cost me about €1150. A PS3 and a decent HDTV would cost around €900.
I still play my 360 on SDTV. When I buy a HDTV it wont be just for the consoles, it'll be for DVDs too (pc's can do) and TV (pc's can do, but with a bit of trouble setting up PCI cards etc). Plus cant you play pc games on a HDTV if you have the correct DVI / HDMI output?
When did you buy your pc btw? Surely if you built it recently then you would have made sure it'll run crysis at max? thats what i'd do anyway seeing as there's a high rate of redundancy for top of the range graphics cards (and to a lesser extent CPU).
Games only look as good as they're programmed to. PCs will always be more powerful than consoles due to the more frequent hardware cycles. Does PC COD4 look much prettier than the 360 version or are they roughly the same?DemocAnarchis wrote: »although in 90% of the cases I have problems trying to run a game, a quick google search sorts me out in five minutes.
You can do that but i'll be playing five minutes more than you
and Halo 3 = meh, even online. I've had more fun playing TFC all those years ago than playing Halo 30 -
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challengemaster wrote: »most aren't the same as pc versions though. eg. UT3 on the console is 30% slower than pc. you cant play console vs pc multiplayer games, can you? Is CS on console? Quake? most of the UT's (bar ut3)? the real reason games are being made for console now is just to sell more, and get more profit.
yeah, but you had to wait
anyway, you're telling me that most people actually thought of that? I'd say most saw something about hd tv's and ps3 somewhere, and went and bought brand new HDTV's. not connecting it to their pc monitor.
I'd say roughly, 75%+ of pc gamers, build their own pc's. So saying they dont know what they're at.. would be a bit wrong. oh and if you get a good RMA it will take maybe 2 weeks at very most. thing is, with pc's you CAN of tactually get a replacement in the meantime. consoles you cant. obviously why you decided to exclude it.
He also didn't mention about console games not being controllable at all, eg. in game configs, etc etc.
God knows where all the pro fps players would be without weapon binds.. oh and it doesnt matter if your pc isnt 1337, you can just turn down the gfx quality.
Again, another load of uninformed, incorrect points.
Counter Strike was on a console (albeit not as good). Most of the Quakes and UTs were/are.
The Orange Box was released at the exact same time on PC and 360, so no waiting.
In Shadowrun you can play PC vs Console (though I don't see how this would be solely a point down for consoles and not the PC also if it were not doable).
If people decide to buy a HD TV instead of a monitor, that is not a disadvantage of a console, its their choice, just like some PC owners hook their PCs upto big HD TVs.
The fact that most PC Gamers know how to use/build a PC does not nullify the fact that a lot of the gaming public don't. It's a disadvantage to the rest of them, hence why they don't buy gaming PCs.
Most console games are at least somewhat configurable, and as a big FPS fan, K&M or joypad is a personal preference and K&M is supported by the PS3.0 -
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Counter Strike was on a console (albeit not as good) Most of the Quakes and UTs were/are. The Orange Box was released at the exact same time on PC and 360, so no waiting.
LOL ok Quake 4 doesn't work on Xbox 360, both technically and gameplay wise... You just cannot play quake on a console, Quake has movement that is difficult to master even with a keyboard and mouse... Counterstrike on console? I bet about 6 people still play it compared to the millions of CSS players on PC.... Orange Box was primarily a PC title and is just a totally different experience.. also most of it wasn't released at the same time as PC, We had Half Life 2 before the 360 was even conceived... to say that UT was on console before is an insult, UT requires so much skill and technique that can only be accomplished on a PC and that Unreal Championship ****e was not UT....Most console games are at least somewhat configurable
Invert Y axis is about it tbh....You could hook your console upto the same monitor you use for your PC
Hmmmmmmm wouldn't that require a PC?!
Anyway these arguments are never resolved, but you just CANNOT compare multiplayer FPS gaming on a console with PC....
Pc has dedicated maintained servers with up to 64/128 players in some cases
Console has some guy hosting a server on his 360 on his 512k Internet connection, and when he starts losing he can just unplug his Ethernet cable
Pc has keyboards and mouse controls with per pixel accuracy and you can make a 360 degree turn in milliseconds..
Console has a joystick, where you have very inaccurate control aided by varying degrees of "Aim assist" or "hacking" as its sometimes called
You can have a somewhat accurate controller if you turn the sensitivity down but it then takes the best part of a week to do a 360 degree turn...
Pc gaming also has a much better gaming community / competitive scene
And all those 10 million WoW players seem to be having a whale of a time
Anyway, Consoles still have their charms but it IS NOT fps..
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