Documenting evidence

IRISH RAIL

Whats the best way to keep track of company wrongdoings is a diary acceptable or would you need to have something more substantial?

CreepingDeath

For what purpose ?

Is this some sort of attempt to cover your own ass if something goes wrong in the future ?

Hypothetically, if say some safety issue came to light after an incident and you had your magic diary but no evidence to show that you tried presenting it to the management then you might be in trouble for withholding information. So building up an "I told you so" book will get you nowhere and might look like you failed to bring up these issues.

Bringing up valid concerns in a professional manner, and having an e-mail trail of your communications to the relevant people would be the better approach I would imagine. Even better would be putting forward suggestions in how to address the problems, eg. changes in procedures.

IRISH RAIL

Ill get straight to the point
its for sueing the ass off them when I leave 3 years there serious h and s breaches no payslips no contract bullying etc its only a small company and the boss has some of his family working there so it would be my word against thiers any advice

Rb

Why not leave now?

IRISH RAIL

Waiting for te right job to come along

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

why not just make on-going complaints against them to the relevant authorities, and then if they let you go, sue them for unfair dismissal?

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IRISH RAIL wrote: »

Ill get straight to the point
its for sueing the ass off them when I leave 3 years there serious h and s breaches no payslips no contract bullying etc its only a small company and the boss has some of his family working there so it would be my word against thiers any advice

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

Waiting for te right job to come along

If they are that bad, then surely 'any job' is the right job?

IRISH RAIL

The money is too good to walk out unfortunatly

Jo King

Make contemporaneous written notes. A diary is fine but you should also consider sending written notes to yourself by registered post. Do not open the envelope when you get it. You should also keep recordings of conversations. Write down what is on the tape shortly after making the recording. Photograph everything relevant. Make sketches of anything relevant. Date your photographs by holding a current days newspaper in the photograph.

Dundhoone

Sueing the ass off them.... why is everyone looking for an easy score in this country now?

Maybe you should raise all of those issues with your employer. If you get no joy then bring them to the H&S authority.

If that yields nothing then move on.

Otherwise take your "good money" do you damn job and let go of the bitterness.

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well he is entitled to be treated correctly - this isn't confined to just pay. Still i'm a bit uneasy about the idea of spending 3 years more in a company just to gather enough evidence to sue them.

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Roundtower2 wrote: »

well he is entitled to be treated correctly - this isn't confined to just pay. Still i'm a bit uneasy about the idea of spending 3 years more in a company just to gather enough evidence to sue them.

Assume he meant he has worked there already for 3 years.

What do you think you can sue them for ?

What you have outlined could get them fined/prosecuted but would not get you any money.

the_syco

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

its for sueing the ass off them when I leave 3 years there serious h and s

Playing the devils advocate here: what makes you so sure that the employer can't say that this was your responsibility?

padser

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

no payslips

If you have always been paid and taxed correctly the lack of a payslip is a minor issue

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

no contract

Loads of companies don't use contracts. What you are entitled to is a sheet stating hours or work, pay etc. Not a contract per say. Again its a minor issue

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

bullying ................... the boss has some of his family working there so it would be my word against thiers any advice

So unlikely really that a that you will far with something as subjective as bullying.

Ideo

OP: You wouldn't work for Irish Rail by any chance would you?

IRISH RAIL

no I dont work for Irish Rail
theres more to this than just health and safety
All I asked for was advice on the best way to document evidence, Thank you for the helpful replies. Im not here for a moral debate on the rights and wrongs of the subject.

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IRISH RAIL wrote: »

All I asked for was advice on the best way to document evidence

Jo King wrote: »

Make contemporaneous written notes. A diary is fine but you should also consider sending written notes to yourself by registered post. Do not open the envelope when you get it. You should also keep recordings of conversations. Write down what is on the tape shortly after making the recording. Photograph everything relevant. Make sketches of anything relevant. Date your photographs by holding a current days newspaper in the photograph.

Dundhoone wrote: »

Maybe you should raise all of those issues with your employer. If you get no joy then bring them to the H&S authority.

think your answer is there, and maybe we should let this strange thread close now.