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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭el dude


    mayordenis wrote: »
    terry and rio arent anywhere near carvalho and gallas it's ridiculous and tbh agger is the best footballing CB i've seen in a long time.

    But they're English mayordenis so they're the best CB's since sliced bread. :o I think they're great players but Carvahlo and Gallas just have so much more about them. They can actually play football, which is why i rate Agger so highly, who for me is the best CB in the world at his age.

    Just for the hell of it. This would be my team from the top four.

    Reina

    Sagna---Gallas---Agger---Evra


    Mascherano
    Fabregas
    Gerrard
    Ronaldo

    Rooney
    Torres

    Think this just proves what a ridiculous statement it was in the first place. You could probably swap 6 or 7 seven players out of that team and it would still be top class.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Jazzy


    im thinking the better CB to put with Carra and i think that terry is better then gallas, tho not by much. carvalho on second thoughts is prob a better bet then rio, although i still rate rio very highly. its not like alex ferguson is completely stupid and misguided when he rates him so highly and is probably, along with rooney and ronaldo one of the first names down on the team sheet.
    ppl like to give him stick cos hes a plonker, which he is no doubt - but so is G-Unit

    and...
    el dude wrote:
    But anyone who picks Terry over Carvahlo, or Rio over Gallas don't really know too much about the game.

    do i not? cos of that yeah? i didnt know... think i might go bang my head off a wall cos im so thick and dont know wat im talking about. we are talking about football here ya? gallas is a pretty good quarter back and he is great at punting the ball to the wide recievers whereas terry is a solid linebacker. Essien is brilliant in the offensive tackle position too......


    i still think ur top 4 team idea is good tho so here goes:

    Cech

    -Finnan--Carvalho-Terry--Evra

    -Ronaldo--Gerrard-Fabregas--J.Cole

    Torres
    Drogba


    its a tough team to pick and the real test would be how fabregas and gerrard play together. they both like to make runs and get forward but the amount of killer balls you'd see would be amazing. they can both tough it out defensively too... except when G-Unit goes wonky and plays through balls for the attackers. ronaldo and joe cole would make full backs cry whereas drogba and torres wouldnt be able to stop scoring together


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Muff_Daddy


    kippy wrote: »
    Hes a far better pundit than 90% of the crap that appears on Sky, BBC etc.
    Kippy


    Nah, he's just as bad as the pundits on Sky and BBC. They are polar opposites in that Sky are overly positive while RTE are overly cynical. On the one hand you have Jamie Redknapp talking about what a brilliant season Steve Howard is having at Derby, while on the other hand you have Dunphy ranting about how he doesn't rate Ronaldo because he's a puffball. 'The Truth' lies somewhere in between Sky and RTE. That said, I'd listen to RTE over SKY etc for entertainment value.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,836 ✭✭✭Vokes


    Ah sure while we're at it, I think is the current best eleven from the Top 4 based on current form:


    Reina
    - Arbeloa - Ferdinand - Gallas - Evra --
    --- Ronaldo - Gerrard - Cesc - Hleb --
    Torres - Tevez

    Agree / disagree ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,392 ✭✭✭✭kaimera


    SofaKing wrote: »
    Ah sure while we're at it, I think is the current best eleven from the Top 4 based on current form:


    Reina
    - Arbeloa - Ferdinand - Gallas - Evra --
    --- Ronaldo - Gerrard - Cesc - Hleb --
    Torres - Tevez

    Agree / disagree ?
    Well Cesc hasn't played the last number of games...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭armour87


    I agree with u on current form, maybe Rooney for Tevez and Sagna for Arbeloa?

    This would be my 1st choice overall, playing to the best of their ability


    Cech
    -Sagna --Carvalho--Toure--Riise-

    -Ronaldo--Fabregas--Scholes--Rosicky

    - - - Torres - - - Drogba - - -

    Bench:
    Reina
    Gallas
    Gerrard
    Van Persie
    Rooney


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Green Giant


    isn't Dunphy some prat all the same? :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    armour87 wrote: »
    I agree with u on current form, maybe Rooney for Tevez and Sagna for Arbeloa?

    This would be my 1st choice overall, playing to the best of their ability


    Cech
    -Sagna --Carvalho--Toure--Riise-

    -Ronaldo--Fabregas--Scholes--Rosicky

    - - - Torres - - - Drogba - - -

    Bench:
    Reina
    Gallas
    Gerrard
    Van Persie
    Rooney

    someone hasn't seen Riise play in a long long time.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hyzepher


    No one rate Flamini then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Jazzy wrote: »
    read my sig for an example
    "c'mon barbie, lets go party" ???
    Jazzy wrote:
    carrick is apparently a nothing player... sure forget his pass completion rate being one of the highest in the league for the past two seasons (highest in 05/06, second highest in 06/07) and tackle completion and vision... hes nothing sure
    Means nothing really. Backward passes and passes to people 2 feet away from you count too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭Kone


    Actually if Dunphy's only value was to have people create threads like this because of what he says on tv then he'd still be worth the licence fee, alone.

    Dunphy, the world's greatest troll

    Best post in ages! :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,677 ✭✭✭genericgoon


    From the top four Id pick

    Cech
    Gallas Vidic Carvalho Evra
    Ronaldo Fabregas Gerrard Rosicky
    Rooney Torres


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭el dude


    Hyzepher wrote: »
    No one rate Flamini then?
    Well he wouldn't get in my team so that means he's ****e! Just kidding. Very handy player.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    I understand differences of opinion and all that, but seriously, how could anyone pick Riise ahead of Cole or Evra or even Clichy?
    How could anyone pick Rosicky ahead of Hleb?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭el dude


    Jazzy wrote: »


    do i not? cos of that yeah? i didnt know...


    Gerrard-Fabregas

    Those two would never be able to play together. I've purposely left out what you went on to say seeing as you done the same to my post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭el dude


    PHB wrote: »
    I understand differences of opinion and all that, but seriously, how could anyone pick Riise ahead of Cole or Evra or even Clichy?
    How could anyone pick Rosicky ahead of Hleb?

    Yep, it's very worrying. I wonder if these people watch any football at all. Or just get all their analyse from Andy Gray. Riise's a donkey in all honesty, yet so many fans of other teams rate him so highly. Baffling!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,303 ✭✭✭✭event


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    I aint saying definatively...cause its a matter of opinion, BUT

    Torres, Gerrard could and would feature in any of them first 11.

    Carragher/Vidic - nothing in it
    Lucas/Anderson - nothing in it
    Babel/Nani - nothing in it
    Finnan/Neville - nothing in it
    Reina/VDS - nothing in it
    Mascherano/Hargreaves - nothing in it

    the above, are all about personal preference or very close decisions.

    thats leaving out Agger and Alonso, who are also good enough to feature in any of the other top 4.

    but you are only comparing to united there

    i wouldnt have lucas, babel, reina, mascherano or agger in chelseas team.
    and i dont think carragher or agger would get into arsenals team, or lucas for that matter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,985 ✭✭✭✭zAbbo


    Lucas can't even get into the Liverpool team :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,966 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    I aint saying definatively...cause its a matter of opinion, BUT

    Torres, Gerrard could and would feature in any of them first 11.

    Carragher/Vidic - nothing in it
    Lucas/Anderson - nothing in it
    Babel/Nani - nothing in it
    Finnan/Neville - nothing in it
    Reina/VDS - nothing in it
    Mascherano/Hargreaves - nothing in it

    the above, are all about personal preference or very close decisions.

    thats leaving out Agger and Alonso, who are also good enough to feature in any of the other top 4.

    In short, Dunphys comments were nonsense.

    But that is a suprise to no one.

    Your having a laugh, right? Why are you just comparing, somewhat wrongly, with united players? The debate covers the top 4 teams.

    Vidic > Carragher as are terry, gallas and carvalho.;)

    If Lucas is so good why doesn't he play every week for liverpool:confused: Lampard, hargreaves, essien all better than him, as is gerrard who you haven't mentioned in this post.

    Babel :rolleyes: mostly a benchwarmer for pool and why compare him to nani, why not with giggs, ronaldo, cole, hleb?

    I agree about finnan and neville

    Reina is a very good keeper as is van der saar, but neither are as good as cech

    Mascherano and hargreaves not as good as essien


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭mayordenis


    reina's record speaks for itself as does cech so for me its to close to call outfield carra, gerrard and torres would get into an outfield 10 from the top 4 and that to me would make the spine of the team all liverpool i'm happy with that.
    and people obviously haven't really watched masch play he's the best defensiv midfielder in the world, factor in that he's so young got so much experience already, and that he costs less than either carrick hargreaves or essien and business wise is one of the best buys(if it goes ahead) of the recent past.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Hobart


    PHB wrote: »
    I understand differences of opinion and all that, but seriously, how could anyone pick Riise ahead of Cole or Evra or even Clichy?
    Totally agree with you.
    How could anyone pick Rosicky ahead of Hleb?
    I'd have an on-form Rosicky ahead of a on-form Hleb.
    fullstop wrote:
    If Lucas is so good why doesn't he play every week for liverpool.
    Torres does not play for Liverpool every week either, are we to deduce something from that as to his abilities?


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭mayordenis


    fullstop wrote: »
    If Lucas is so good why doesn't he play every week for liverpool:confused: Lampard, hargreaves, essien all better than him, as is gerrard who you haven't mentioned in this post.


    liverpool happen to have competition in the centre it's something the other 3 don't know even the slightest thing about, maybe arsenal have an idea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,966 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Hobart wrote: »
    Totally agree with you.
    I'd have an on-form Rosicky ahead of a on-form Hleb.
    Torres does not play for Liverpool every week either, are we to deduce something from that as to his abilities?
    Torres has played twice as many games as lucas, so no ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Em Liverpool have no more competition in the center than United or Chelsea.

    Liverpool: Mascherano-Sissoko-Alonso-Gerrard-Lucas
    United:
    Hargreaves-Fletcher-Carrick-Scholes-Anderson
    Chelsea:
    Essien-Makelele-Ballack-Lampard-Obi Mikel

    IMO, Chelsea have the best 1st choice defensive midfielder. Have the best 2nd choice defensive midfielder. Have the best passing player. Have the 3rd best attacking midfielder, have the 2nd best young midfielder. IMO they have the best central midfield squad.
    I'd have an on-form Rosicky ahead of a on-form Hleb.

    Out of interest, have you watched much of Arsenal this season? I think you could make that argument last year, but this year, Hleb has been utterly utterly amazing.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Jazzy


    el dude wrote: »
    Those two would never be able to play together. I've purposely left out what you went on to say seeing as you done the same to my post.

    so ya kind of missed the whole point basically and didnt read what i said was essential to the team working was if they could play with each other. cesc is a lot more versatile then lampard is and i think between them they would be able to put in the work at the back too. they both can tackle and are good at creating space.
    i did read the whole of your post and tended to agree about carvalho. good of you to notice there ted.

    whos your favorite running back?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,966 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    PHB wrote: »
    Em Liverpool have no more competition in the center than United or Chelsea.

    Liverpool: Mascherano-Sissoko-Alonso-Gerrard-Lucas
    United:
    Hargreaves-Fletcher-Carrick-Scholes-Anderson
    Chelsea:
    Essien-Makelele-Ballack-Lampard-Obi Mikel

    IMO, Chelsea have the best 1st choice defensive midfielder. Have the best 2nd choice defensive midfielder. Have the best passing player. Have the 3rd best attacking midfielder, have the 2nd best young midfielder. IMO they have the best central midfield squad.



    Out of interest, have you watched much of Arsenal this season? I think you could make that argument last year, but this year, Hleb has been utterly utterly amazing.
    QFT


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Hobart


    PHB wrote: »

    Out of interest, have you watched much of Arsenal this season? I think you could make that argument last year, but this year, Hleb has been utterly utterly amazing.
    I have, and I agree that he has been very good. I qualified what I said by adding "on-form" and I'd stick by it. Hleb is an excellent player, as is Rosicky.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭mayordenis


    yes ye have the same amount of players well done ye've ticked the quantity box theirs a vital one missing however.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭An Citeog


    mayordenis wrote: »
    yes ye have the same amount of players well done ye've ticked the quantity box theirs a vital one missing however.

    :confused:

    Edit: Unless you're talking about Sidwell or Arsenal of course!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Hobart


    An Citeog wrote: »
    :confused:

    Edit: Unless you're talking about Sidwell or Arsenal of course!

    Nope, Riise is a midfielder.


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