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Boruc to leave Celtic

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    cson wrote: »
    Ok, the "bust-ups" with fellow players aren't helpful but they aren't uncommon and happen at nearly every club. As for winding up opposition fans.... well thats hardly solid evidence for having a "screw loose" as you so eloquently put it. A lot of players love winding up opposition fans - Gary Neville vs Pool anyone? And the last point; How many players admit mistakes after games? Very very few. And its even seldom a manager will lay the blame at the feet of a single player.

    Imo eirebear you're letting you're misgivings on Boruc cloud your judgement. All the ****e-acting (A lot of players do this, lets be honest) he's a fine keeper and I'm really hoping Wenger signs him. We need a solid keeper.

    Dude...i have already stated in this thread that i rate boruc as "easily the best in scotland" and he is probably up there with the top 3 or 4 the UK at least.
    But i wont back dopwn on the fact that i think he has the potential to become a real liability for celtic if his actions continue to become more and more frequent and if they get a nice wad of cash for him come the end of the season then it would be a good move for them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 184 ✭✭Fwaggle


    cson wrote: »
    Lads, grow up ffs.

    This "hun" and "tim" ****e is getting old.

    Well there's only one person doing that. I don't know how it's allowed to be honest.

    He's calling Rangers fans bigots and he's the one coming out with this rubbish:

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hun

    From this link:

    http://www.theforumsite.com/forum/topic/Hun/120180

    Rangers are reffered to as "huns" because the royal family's bloodline dates back to when the Huns Empire stretched across Europe many years ago into Germany.

    The Royal family's (our current royal family) name is believed to date back to Germany, through another Royal family in more recent years. The Hun empire is believed to be related to this bloodline too.

    So what does the royal family have to do with Rangers?

    Well Rangers are, as you know, a club proud of its British roots, hence the reason there are so many Union flags flown at Ibrox, and indeed there is a picture of Her Majesty in the home teams' dressing room, which as a pre-match ritual, all the players touch before each game.

    Because Rangers are essentially a British club through and through, the term "huns" was used by Celtic fans (who have deep Irish roots) to offend Rangers fans by offending their Queen and essentially, their country. which leads back to the whole Irish vs British thing.

    It is used as a derogatry term, as "huns" (if you read the link below) are seen as barbarians and this suits Celtic fans nicely. It's certainly something you would not call a Rangers fan and not expect them to be highly offended - this is not another possible explanation, but a poorly constructed excuse to cover up bigotry.

    It is as offensive as calling a Celtic fan a "fenian".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Urban Dictionary and another forum as sources? :D

    EB asked me to stop using the term and I will. Note I didnt use it in football topics, just in relation to the mentality of defending bigotry that Gers fans have. See Nazi salutes and goalkeepers getting arrested.

    Calling Celtic fans fenians is not offensive to them by the way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 184 ✭✭Fwaggle


    Urban Dictionary and another forum as sources? :D

    EB asked me to stop using the term and I will. Note I didnt use it in football topics, just in relation to the mentality of defending bigotry that Gers fans have. See Nazi salutes and goalkeepers getting arrested.

    Calling Celtic fans fenians is not offensive to them by the way.

    They were just to show what people think of the term huns and what it means. I don't see the problem. You're not as good a troll as you think you are.

    I'm never met a Celtic fan that doesn't find the term fenian offensive...but then I wasn't aware that some guy who "supports" them because of they're Oirish speaks for proper fans as well.

    EDIT:

    Anyway, that's not the point of this thread so in an effort to get back on topic, I'm not a fan of Boruc as a person but he's a good keeper and I could see him going to some English team that's in or around the UEFA cup spots. Don't know if any of them need a keeper though. Almunia is doing ok for Arsenal so far.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Fwaggle wrote: »
    They were just to show what people think of the term huns and what it means. I don't see the problem. You're not as good a troll as you think you are.

    I'm never met a Celtic fan that doesn't find the term fenian offensive...but then I wasn't aware that some guy who "supports" them because of they're Oirish speaks for proper fans as well.

    so the Celtic fans you know are offended by the term Fenian and hate Artur Boruc.

    and I'm the troll :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 184 ✭✭Fwaggle


    so the Celtic fans you know are offended by the term Fenian and hate Artur Boruc.

    and I'm the troll :D

    Yeah good summary :rolleyes: Bravo.

    I've made my point in my edit. I'm not continuing with this pointless argument. And don't take that as some sort of victory. You're a bigot and there is no reasoning with you so I'm not gonna bother.

    Have a nice day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    OhNoYouDidn't is taking a break from soccer to refresh himself on the rules.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Ach......that wasnt quite the outcome i was looking for....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Ach......that wasnt quite the outcome i was looking for....

    It was nothing to do with you. It was his 5 charter violations and reaction to his ban. anyways Back on topic


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Running around with a flag in an attempt to "wind up" rangers fans after a defeat at Ibrox
    Of all the petty things you mention I can't believe you mention this. He carried a Celtic flag off the pitch at Ibrox after being beaten by Rangers. Rangers fans were ecstatic with winning the match, Boruc (just like any Celtic fan would do) decided to remind them who's champions.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGYa-zzs7zs
    Eirebear wrote:
    for some reason you think this guy is on a one man mission to wipe out bigotry in the west of scotland
    No we don't. As I've said to you many times, Boruc is a football fan fortunate enough to be playing the game. Unlike every other footballer in the rich leagues in Europe, Boruc doesn't hide that fact when he's out on the pitch. He has a bit of banter with the opposition fans who slag him off and he celebrates with the Celtic fans. When he retires he has said that he'll spend his time travelling around with Legia fans. He has been to a few Legia matches in the last couple of years and he sings the chants just like every fan.

    I can't think of anyone else like Boruc. He probably hasn't changed one bit since becoming a footballer. Footballers are expected to act mature when they're around football fans. Boruc still see's himself as a normal football fan and he'd probably just join in with the rest of the fans. He's not doing anything serious. He's not breaking the law. He's having a good time like the rest of us.

    Seriously, you're bias really does cloud your judgement mate.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    As does your bias, eirebhoy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Lads cop on.

    NOW!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    astrofool wrote: »
    As does your bias, eirebhoy
    I don't agree so I'd like if you'd expand on that. I'm biased of course. All I think my bias does is make me look biased. :) I don't think it gives me an opinion that I wouldn't have if I was neutral. For example, if I didn't support Celtic but watched Nakamura every day I'd be singing his praises as much as I currently do, imo.

    The incidents Eirebear mentioned involving Boruc are very petty incidents and any non-Rangers fan I know would agree. I think Boruc is a bit mad as I've said before but he's hardly a bloody liability. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    eirebhoy wrote: »
    Please expand. Seriously. Don't leave me hanging. :) Just look at the incidents Eirebear mentioned involving Boruc and tell me how any of them are in any way serious. Or is it something else?

    I'm biased of course. All I think my bias does is make me look biased. :) I don't think it gives me an opinion that I wouldn't have if I was neutral. For example, if I didn't support Celtic but watched Nakamura every day I'd be singing his praises as much as I currently do, imo.

    As a single incident, none of them are important.
    But they all add up eirebhoy...yes im a little biased, that goes without saying.
    but im open minded enough to say that he is a fantastic goalkeeper, so my opinion isnt completly invalid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    Fair enough.

    Anyway, apparantly these are the actual quotes:
    This is a transcript of Artur Boruc's interview to a Polish newspaper this week:





    Journo: “ Do you want to move to a great club?


    Artur: “Celtic is a great club.”


    Journo: “An even greater one?”


    Artur: “I know there are bigger teams in Europe, but we are in the top 16 again this season. I have said before I would like to move on from Scotland eventually, I want to continue to develop and meet new challenges.


    Journo: “Will you move next season?”


    Artur: “I have been speaking to Celtic about renewing my contract for eight weeks now. The current deal expires in 2009, but Celtic have an option to extend it to 2010. When we part I would like it to be on good terms.”


    Journo: “It has been reported that you could use the Webster law to leave early?”


    Artur: “Fifa ruled that after three years at a club, a player over 28 can leave, with the fee set by Fifa. The Webster law is possible, but that would be a last resort, I expect us to come to an agreement on a new deal.


    “The reported price of £10m is out of this world, but there is more money in British football than anywhere else in Europe.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Didn't he nearly fail a drugs test verbally recently by stating that Aidan McGeady could be as good as Cristiano Ronaldo?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Boruc = legend. It's as simple as that.

    In this PC-gone-mad world of ours (like on here sometimes with these silly bans), it's so refreshing to see a guy like Boruc who is an incredible player as well as someone who loves the game, and "hates" the enemy. :D

    Will be sorry to see him go if he does, but good luck to him. He's a player I'll always watch no matter who he plays for (except maybe Utd.).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    eirebhoy wrote: »
    I don't agree so I'd like if you'd expand on that. I'm biased of course. All I think my bias does is make me look biased. :) I don't think it gives me an opinion that I wouldn't have if I was neutral. For example, if I didn't support Celtic but watched Nakamura every day I'd be singing his praises as much as I currently do, imo.

    The incidents Eirebear mentioned involving Boruc are very petty incidents and any non-Rangers fan I know would agree. I think Boruc is a bit mad as I've said before but he's hardly a bloody liability. :D

    Well I think you basically admitted as much there, of course you're Celtic bias influences your opinion on Boruc, just as the Irish bias here usually leaves Shay Given as the top goalkeeper in the world. I just wouldn't be in the position of calling a Ranger's fan bias against, when you're obviously bias for :)

    Anyway, like all SPL players, he'll never be great until he can prove himself in another league :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Boruc = legend. It's as simple as that.

    In this PC-gone-mad world of ours (like on here sometimes with these silly bans), it's so refreshing to see a guy like Boruc who is an incredible player as well as someone who loves the game, and "hates" the enemy. :D

    Will be sorry to see him go if he does, but good luck to him. He's a player I'll always watch no matter who he plays for (except maybe Utd.).

    paul mate...may i ask what your reaction (HONESTLY ;)) was to these incidents?
    http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/football_paul_gascoigne0s_career_in_pictures/img/8.jpg&imgrefurl=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/football_paul_gascoigne0s_career_in_pictures/html/8.stm&h=300&w=300&sz=16&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=luh38qYVIc5nwM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3DGazza%2BFLute%2B%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.google:en-GB:official%26sa%3DN

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3vgvykuiRk


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    astrofool wrote: »
    Well I think you basically admitted as much there, of course you're Celtic bias influences your opinion on Boruc, just as the Irish bias here usually leaves Shay Given as the top goalkeeper in the world.
    Given has been sensational for Ireland. No keeper would have done any better than him. In his last full season at Newcastle he was in the premiership team of the year. I don't think we overrate him. He is that good.


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Eirebear wrote: »
    paul mate...may i ask what your reaction (HONESTLY ;)) was to these incidents?

    My reaction to those incidents:

    - Gazza: the flute thing just confirmed what I thought of him all along, great player that he was, he's a to55er. ;) Did he anger the fans? Yeah sure, but how many fans went to the police about it?
    - The huddle: done to wind-up the fans, personally didn't bother me. Obviously did some fans to the point of violence, which is ridiculous.

    I don't think you are comparing like with like though. Look at the video of Boruc blessing himself and listen to the dogs abuse he's getting from the Rangers fans - even before he's anywhere near the goal. Now I don't give a ****e about that, but my point is - and I said this before when this blessing thing came about - that if you dish it out, be prepared to take it back like a man, rather than go crying to the police like the Rangers fans did that day. I honestly thought it was pathetic, and shameful that Boruc blessing himself (as he does at every match) became a police issue for Rangers fans.

    I don't hurl personal abuse at matches - it's just not my style - have never done it and never would, but I've no real issue with others doing so if they so choose. If Rangers fans want to abuse Boruc, fine with me - but be prepared to take a bit of stick back and don't go running to the police with this "...he abused us... and... and... then I actually saw him BLESS himself". Pathetic. That's what blew this whole thing out of proportion.

    As an aside on the "hun" thing - I have to admit to using that term a few times, but I guess it's all about how you use it, and I would like to think I use it in a good-natured/banter sense (feel free to throw a barrage of "tim", "fenian", "mhanks" etc. etc, right back at me!). :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Mate....i honestly think the guys who went to the ploice embarrased themselves and the club that day.
    but for me the gesture boruc makes AFTER blessing himself was a very stupid thing to do.
    And boruc behaviour since then leads me to believe that the guy could become a liability.

    on Gazza's flute, he recieved a ban from the SFA for it, they didnt get involved with boruc at any time...including all the other times he has made gestures to fans.
    On the huddle, rangers were punished financially by the SFA for this.

    As for the hun thing...it really doesnt bother me if used in a jokey manner, its all banter. it only gets to me when used constantly as a derogatary term when your trying to have a conversation with another human being.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Eirebear wrote: »
    And boruc behaviour since then leads me to believe that the guy could become a liability.

    on Gazza's flute, he recieved a ban from the SFA for it, they didnt get involved with boruc at any time...including all the other times he has made gestures to fans.

    No way is Boruc a liability. He's off-the-wall, but people who are brilliant at something frequently are. Seriously, what has he done that you would consider more than simply a wind-up? I honestly, and I mean honestly, can't think of anything he's done against Rangers fans outside of wind-ups in response to abuse from them. What's for the SFA to investigate? Not shaking hands? Waving a champions flag? Blessing himself?

    I really think we need more like him, I really do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,454 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    astrofool wrote: »
    Anyway, like all SPL players, he'll never be great until he can prove himself in another league :p

    Ahh, the small mind really does work in wondrous ways :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ziggy


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    ziggy wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    QFT


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Well, I'm half scots, so I can look down on them all I want :p (dons fan btw)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    astrofool wrote: »
    Well, I'm half scots, so I can look down on them all I want :p (dons fan btw)

    then you have no right to look down on anyone sheep lover ;)


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