Threats of harm?

6th

Just looking for peoples view on this, including the mods from their official POV on here.

I have read of court cases in parts of the world where damages have been award etc to people who claim curses etc put on them have affected some elements of their lives.

I have read of cases where people believe the have been the victim of a "psychic attack" ... including people on this forum.

Would you believe I have even read on people being harrassed by someone via astral travel.

So if someone made threats towards you of a psychical nature that were serious and this affected you, would you approach the authorities? If you did how would they take it? Psychologic abuse?

Mods, if someone on here threatened another user in a psychic or paranormal manner (such as a "psychic attack", voodoo, curse, astral stalking etc) how would you act on it? And to act on it would you be admitting that its a threat the person could carry out?

biko

I never discuss a post that ends in "Discuss."

monkeyfudge

The intent is what matters... not the course of action.

I may think such a manner of threat is nonsense and I wouldn't be concerned if someone threatened me in that manner... but a mod probably should act if such a threat was made by one user to another... no matter what the nature of the threat may be.

Biko: That wasn't a request to discuss... it was probably some form of psychic command!

6th

I agree that intent is whats important in some cases.

What if someone believed they were being affected by someone else without a public threat being made, or that they were being psychically stalked?

On a similar note what about claiming a lack of responsibility due to the likes of someone using their influence over you, possession or as with the resent case below?

Sex offender blames voodoo for attack on teenager

By Eamonn McFadden
Thursday December 06 2007, Irish Independent.

A MAN who committed two sex assaults on schoolgirls in uniform in a year blamed voodoo for his offences each time, a court heard yesterday.

African refugee Joshua Daini (22) with an address at Cliffe View Hostel, Donegal Town, pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting a 14-year-old in a laneway after stalking her near her home in Donegal town on September 21 last.

He was jailed for a year for his offence yesterday at Donegal Town District Court, which heard it was his second similar offence.

Lifting reporting restrictions on naming the defendant, Judge Desmond Zaidan said Daini had already been placed on the sex offenders register at the time of the second offence.

Judge Zaidan said: "His reason offered [was] that voodoo contributed to his behaviour. Now it is clear from his previous record that within months of being released he commits this and offers the excuse of voodoo".

The court was told he had a similar conviction from April 3, 2007, for an offence committed on November 28, 2006, when in Co Wicklow he was sentenced to three months imprisonment for following two uniformed schoolgirls before lifting up the skirt of one his victims, twice, before putting his hand down her underwear.

Judge Zaidan said: "This is a similar type of offence, which involved the stalking of schoolgirls in uniform and then molesting them by putting his hand up their skirt".

He added that he believed the defendant had the attack "well planned and executed", but added he appeared to have "little insight into his behaviour".

The victim was not in court but submitted a written victim impact statement to the judge. Judge Zaidan said despite the early plea and the reasons offered by the defendant, he would exercise his discretion and jail him for the maximum term of one year.

He ordered him to be placed on the sex offenders register, be subject to sex offenders treatment before his release and subject to two years supervision.

monkeyfudge

But Irish school girl uniforms are manky looking... He clearly must have been under some form of voodoo curse...

6th

From another article:

Daisy Early, 57, said in her lawsuit that after she complained about being denied a shift change, Robert Bracco, a manager, told an employee, "Daisy tried to put voodoo on me," and showed the employee parts of his body where he said Early had inflicted voodoo.

Article HERE

iamhunted

So if someone made threats towards you of a psychical nature that were serious and this affected you

i wouldnt let it affect me in the first place. such things are mind tricks and not really paranormal imo. they will only effect you if you let them.

A MAN who committed two sex assaults on schoolgirls in uniform in a year blamed voodoo for his offences each time, a court heard yesterday.

on this I'd say either he really believes he's been affected by voodoo and as a result has psychological problems - again I believe this to be all in the mind - or is using the idea as a defence against the crimes he's charged with.

Whispered

I heard a story once (I dont know how true it is) of a man put under a curse of some sort being told that if he ever ate chicken again he would die. Years passed and this man never ate chicken. One night he was given something by a friend which he was assured contained no chicken. Years later the friend admitted to giving him chicken and the man suffered a heart attack and died. Complete mind over matter (if it's true)

Whispered

wow I said chicken a lot in that last post

kshiel

I dont know enough about voodoo to know if its possible to be cursed or made do certain things under a spell. I think been harrassed by astral travel could and is very real imo. I also think thought transfer is a very serious threat in this manner also (if the thoughts transfered were to harm ones self or another or simply of a meancing nature or invasion of privacy)

It would be extermely hard to prove such things which would be a reason why the person would not report it in the first place but I would hope he/she would report it regardless but again that is easier said than done as again you would have the burden of proof and I dont think someone of the judgement side of things would or could just take someones word for it or even take visable evidence without considering the hows and whys of who they claim is doing this. I would imagine that most of the results of the attack could or would be put down to a run of bad luck or an excuse to get out of something.

None of the above makes this right and I would advise someone who felt they were been done wrong in this way is to seek advice from people they would trust or know in the area in which the threat is coming and tread very carefully and learn to send healing or seek help from there GP depending on what the case maybe or what is happening.

I would imagine that the mods on here would take such claims very serious but I would be at a loss to know how they could or would deal with such matters.

Nevyn

helena.ryan wrote: »

I heard a story once (I dont know how true it is) of a man put under a curse of some sort being told that if he ever ate chicken again he would die. Years passed and this man never ate chicken. One night he was given something by a friend which he was assured contained no chicken. Years later the friend admitted to giving him chicken and the man suffered a heart attack and died. Complete mind over matter (if it's true)

Wow that was a really effective curse. Even more so that he did it to himself
and who ever placed it on him just let him fuel it himself, nice and efficient.

Really many of these things can be shook off and really if you are going to be looking and dabbling then you need to know how to mind yourself.

My personal favorite is to sing the ditty,
"I'm rubber, your glue, bounces off me and sticks to you" and just repel what ever.

If anyone is worried I would suggest reading
Dion Fortune's Psychic Self-Defense: A Study in Occult Pathology and Criminality.

Now under the laws of the land harsshment is harassment but it has to be provable.
Saying someone astral projected into your bedroom would not be grounds for legal action.

biko

6th wrote: »

So if someone made threats towards you of a psychical nature that were serious and this affected you, would you approach the authorities? If you did how would they take it? Psychologic abuse?

Being an atheist I would not fear supernatural attack but it would grieve me that someone would want me harm. If they really believed they could harm me physically with their mind, would that not constitute "intent to harm" even though I don't believe I can actually be harmed?
Of course I, me, would just laugh it off but someone who grew up in a superstitious society would probably be very scared.

It's only a few hundred years since the old witch hunts where neighbours would charge each other for hexings and such.

6th

Thaedydal wrote: »

Dion Fortune's Psychic Self-Defense: A Study in Occult Pathology and Criminality.

Sounds like a good read, I'll pick it up.

Thaedydal wrote: »

Saying someone astral projected into your bedroom would not be grounds for legal action.

So what do they do? What if any protection they try doesnt work for them, some people are simply too weak willed to fight back.

Nevyn

There are things that can be done with out needing a whole heap of engery or drama tbh.
Some people buy evil eye charms


Some will carry tiger's eye, or a bless item on a chain for what ever thier belief system.

There are a whole heap of protection and warding that can be done that don't need a force of will behind them.

You dont need to actively fight back sometimes that is the worst thing to do , sometimes it is best to passively mirror or reflect such stuff back at where ever it came from.

dubtom

By believing in the first place that anyone would have the power to harm you psyhicly, ie,voodoo,curses or whatever,are you then not leaving yourself open to any suggestive abuse that anyone may throw at you.helena.ryan's example about the chicken is a perfect example, because that man believed it would kill him he gave all his 'power,for lack of a better word, away.The curse or the chicken didn't kill him,his belief did.Personally, If I recieved a threat of any of the kind you mentioned and gave it credence, I'd head for therapy rather than the gardai.

SkepticOne

I would agree with Biko that curses are not really paranormal. Best defence is not to believe in such things. I think the main thing someone cursing wants to achieve is the feeling of dread in the other person. They want the person cursed to know that there's someone out there who wishes them harm and that they are willing to attribute coincidental harm to the curse.

Nevyn

Would you also feel that way about a person giving any creedance to the occult, supernatural or the esoteric ?

TheThing!

If somebody threatened me with a psychic attack I would probably be in hospital within the hour...

...with a hernia from pissing myself laughing at him

Red Hand

If you are crazy enough to believe in such tripe, then you deserve what you get.

stevenmu

As a moderator I'd treat it the exact same way as any other threat or directed personal abuse. The threat may be unlikely to be carried out, but the same could be said of threats of physical violence and neither have any place on this forum or site.

On a personal level I wouldn't be too worried about such threats, it may be naievity or ignorance on my part but I've much more faith in my ability to keep myself safe than in anyone or anything else's ability to do me harm

MrJoeSoap

6th wrote: »

I have read of court cases in parts of the world where damages have been award etc to people who claim curses etc put on them have affected some elements of their lives.

Can you please link us to them!? I'd love a good laugh!

6th wrote: »

I have read of cases where people believe the have been the victim of a "psychic attack" ... including people on this forum.

All people who believe that such a thing is possible though. As already mentioned, if you don't believe in it, it won't affect you. Surely that goes some way to proving its all nonsense.

6th wrote: »

Would you believe I have even read on people being harrassed by someone via astral travel.

Whats that when its at home?

6th wrote: »

So if someone made threats towards you of a psychical nature that were serious and this affected you, would you approach the authorities? If you did how would they take it? Psychologic abuse?

I wouldn't let it affect me, because I don't believe in it.

heirenach

A witch doctor can easily cause harm to someone through a curse or spell. They are skilled in herbal drugs and poisons ,and with the use of strong hypnotic suggestions knowing the weaknesses of their victims mental and physical state of being they can easily harm.
Astral projecting ones spirit to do harm to another would require alot of special training. Their psychic and auric field would have to be open to such an attack, by keeping their body totally asleep and their mind totally awake, detached fully from body feelings.

MrJoeSoap

heirenach wrote: »

A witch doctor can easily cause harm to someone through a curse or spell.

Involving nothing physical? How does it work?

dubtom

Thaedydal wrote: »

Would you also feel that way about a person giving any creedance to the occult, supernatural or the esoteric ?

No, there is a difference in having an informed belief in the occult or supernatural than blindly believing someone can harm you just because someone suggests they can. I would guess that a percentage of the users here would have certain beliefs that through time they have come to accept through either study or personal experience, on the other hand there is probably twice as many who believe purely through superstition and because their granny told them so. Blind unquestioned belief is leaving oneself open to all kinds of hocus pocus imho.

Nevyn

Thank you for your consdiered answer.

hiorta

The only thing to fear is fear.

Anyone who wishes harm on another must realise that all imprecations - like all good wishes - rebound multiplied.

You can only attract what you are, what you think with the same type of thought that you aim at others.

Be warned!

Oriel

I'm yet to hear of anybody being physcially harmed through non-contact.

heirenach

In the same way a hypnotist works ,but in a negative way.

6th

heirenach wrote: »

In the same way a hypnotist works ,but in a negative way.

Why limit it to that? If people believe that ghosts can cause knocks and move stuff why not do something simple like drop a marble on the floor.

If you start to over lap different paranormal beliefs you can be create and come up with a number of ways in which harm could be caused.

faceman

funnily enough, a re run of an excellent derren brown show, The heist, was on last night and he demonstrated how he taught individuals to use their mind to "push" other indivuals backward. Anyway, what he really did was made the "pushers" believe they had the power to do it, and ones who would "fall" were made to believe that a wace of pyschic energy as such would push them back. What happened? They fell backwards! the point he was trying to make was that its all in the mind.

So if you are open to influence, a combination of fear and expectation could influence your subsceptibility to astral assault (?) more so than the curse itself. How you prove either way would be impossible i guess

heirenach

Your auric field has to be damaged to suffer astrual attack.
Ghosts can move objects to scare you,but they have to get an energy chanel to do so.<ectoplasm,energyfield neg,pos,etc.These energies can be rechannelled using light,salt,mirrors or other entities guides,angels etc.Most ghosts are trapped in a mental state of fear,conviction and homeless believe it or not.They fear you as much as you fear them.
Neg,entities are more dangerous but you only get them if you call on them.
Things misunderstood are best left alone.< we are not alone>

Gillybean72

6th wrote: »

Just looking for peoples view on this, including the mods from their official POV on here.

I have read of court cases in parts of the world where damages have been award etc to people who claim curses etc put on them have affected some elements of their lives.

I have read of cases where people believe the have been the victim of a "psychic attack" ... including people on this forum.

Would you believe I have even read on people being harrassed by someone via astral travel.

So if someone made threats towards you of a psychical nature that were serious and this affected you, would you approach the authorities? If you did how would they take it? Psychologic abuse?

Mods, if someone on here threatened another user in a psychic or paranormal manner (such as a "psychic attack", voodoo, curse, astral stalking etc) how would you act on it? And to act on it would you be admitting that its a threat the person could carry out?

Hi there. I had a period there where I would say I was under *psychic* attack. It wasnt nice and my head killed me while it happened. I was not the only person in my group atacked and it was v ery scary as we all had same thoughts which I wont go into now.

But I wear amethyst all the time for protection and have many other crystals I do believe help me in many situations.

I think it is so wrong to do this and I feel psychics should lose their abilities if they misuse them at all. At the end of the day, they are for the GREATER good, not evil and some people abuse and use this amazing gift they have.

ladybirdirl

I would have thought that this is possible but also if you do enough self protection then it should be a problem

I do think it's importatn though that if you're going to ask the mods for their official point of view, you should at least give them more to go on, whether it be on the thread or in a pm.

On a practical level I woulf suggest something like aura cleansing

Ladybird

SubjectSean

Cleanse my aura, Dora

kshiel

This might sound a bit bumb but I dont get the whole aura cleansing thing...??

hiorta

The aura is but a reflection of what is the current state of an individual.

'Cleaning' the aura would be like cleaning the mirror instead of your face.

Some benefit can be derived from it, though it is best to improve the self and the aura image will follow.

kshiel

hiorta wrote: »

The aura is but a reflection of what is the current state of an individual.

'Cleaning' the aura would be like cleaning the mirror instead of your face.

Some benefit can be derived from it, though it is best to improve the self and the aura image will follow.

Ok thanks that makes sense to me..

IncredibleHulk

Mods, if someone on here threatened another user in a psychic or paranormal manner (such as a "psychic attack", voodoo, curse, astral stalking etc) how would you act on it? And to act on it would you be admitting that its a threat the person could carry out?

If the attacker had that power why would he have to threaten you? To do so warn you and put you on your guard, something a serious attacker, on a physical or any other possible level, would not do. if you were going to burgle someone's house would you warn them? Why not?

ladybirdirl

hiorta wrote: »

The aura is but a reflection of what is the current state of an individual.

'Cleaning' the aura would be like cleaning the mirror instead of your face.

Some benefit can be derived from it, though it is best to improve the self and the aura image will follow.

Couldn't have described it any better than that Hiorta!

Thanks

LB

ladybirdirl

I was just re-reading this thread (to see if there was an update)

Something sturck me.... the OP never actually says if they are being attacked.

My problem with this is simple


if they are... what good is it to not say it? Can't help if we don't know how

if they are not....that doesn't do the forum's credibility any good imo

This leads me to a question...6th have you been threatened psyhically

Ladybird

takola

I do think most of this would be in your head. I think you'd need to strongly believe in it for it to affect you and even then I would think that you believing it is the issue there. But that would probably be because nobody can really prove that they've been psychically attacked. I wouldn't argue with someone who said they were but I would be very interested to hear about it. I suppose alot of my believing would come down to the person too.

Slightly off topic (I apologise in advance) but I didn't know whether I should start a new thread when it's been mentioned here already:

Would someone mind explaining to me what astral stalking is? I've never heard of it before.

SkepticOne

takola wrote: »

Would someone mind explaining to me what astral stalking is? I've never heard of it before.

Presumably stalking someone through "astral projection" rather than normal methods.

Talliesin

6th wrote: »

Daisy Early, 57, said in her lawsuit that after she complained about being denied a shift change, Robert Bracco, a manager, told an employee, "Daisy tried to put voodoo on me," and showed the employee parts of his body where he said Early had inflicted voodoo.

That's two sentences that don't actually make any sense.

How do you "put voodoo on" someone? With such dreadful English he deserved to be cursed (j/k).

More generally, I'd treat a psychic or magical attack the same way I'd treat a physical attack. If relying upon my normal protections will do the trick, then I'll not worry about it any more, otherwise if building up my protection a bit will do the trick, that's what I'll do, otherwise remove the source of the problem by any means necessary.

Just as with physical attacks, this fortunately doesn't actually happen very often

The best-known classic text on western occult protection is probably Dion Fortune's Psychic Self-Defense and is definitely worth a read (though the style is a bit much sometimes - I remember someone saying that it's best to read it as if you are talking to an old somewhat embarassing aunt, who nevertheless does have some interesting things to say when you adapt for how she's saying it). I also recently enjoyed Jason Miller's Protection & Reversal Magick which is a less good as a thesis but is a more directly accessible in a few ways; though I think it's probably better if you've already read Fortune's book for the more general grounding it gives.

twanda

..was just looking at this thread and it reminds me of something I heard a while back -- I don't know how much faith you would want to put into this story, but for the record, the woman who told it swears that it is true...

My sister's mother-in-law comes from a small village in Galway. She told my sister that years ago, when she was a child (she's in her 70s now) there was a problem with the crops growing in the area - the plants were all failing and people feared that someone had put the 'kybosh' on the town. The local priest, giving his sermon from the pulpit on the Sunday, demanded that the person who was responsible for cursing the crops leave the mass immediately, as they were not welcome. She said that after a few moments, a little old woman got up on front of everyone at the mass, and left the church. They all knew then that it was her who was stopping the crops from thriving.
Now I don't know how she was supposed to have been doing this - maybe she just believed she was responsible but that's the story anyway...

JoeB-

Maybe the woman left because the priest didn't offer to cleanse the person who cursed the crops... after all, the priests viewpoint should have been that such a person would be possesed by the devil and he should have offered an exorcism.. not simply said 'get out, you're not welcome'

(Not that I believe any of this... including whatever the priest believes) <<< (supernatural stuff only)