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Liverpool v Man Utd - Sunday 16th December

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,176 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    Fergie abviously resting the big players for the weekend game. Wish we were in the same position!

    The game tonight is really going to effect liverpools form on Sunday, if its a battle then i'd worry about fatigue for sunday. especially with fergie resting the above.

    Nah I wouldn't hold that against Liverpool. Tuesday to Sunday is a lot of time to recover and be fit. Only risk I can see happening is morale dying if you go out, but could equally be the opposite if you win.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,404 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Unearthly wrote: »
    Nah I wouldn't hold that against Liverpool. Tuesday to Sunday is a lot of time to recover and be fit. Only risk I can see happening is morale dying if you go out, but could equally be the opposite if you win.

    agree on both points. 4 full days should be plenty of recovery time for pro's, pshcologically could give an edge to United if pool go out tonight alright though.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭herbieflowers


    although if Pool win they'll be well fired up and on a buzz!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    All things being equal, you'd prefer to have Utd's preparation for this game (resting players), I doubt it will matter much come to match time. Where it may make a difference is in subsequent matches.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    agree on both points. 4 full days should be plenty of recovery time for pro's, pshcologically could give an edge to United if pool go out tonight alright though.
    OR, if they go out tonight, they could be more likely to think "alright lads, we're goin for the league this year!" and destroy us :D Ya never know


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    or they could win, and think they are destined to the CL and not care next weekend :) This is all guesswork :) The key thing to note is that if you asked Rafa or Fergie which situation he'd prefer, a 4 day break or a 7 day break, they'd pick the 7 day break each time. Fergie and Carlos are fully focused on the Liverpool game. Rafa can only do that after tonight.

    The one thing I would say about the possible effects of tonights game is that if they lose, Rafa's job will be in serious trouble. That will have an effect, whether it be unsettling to the team or make them want to win to save Rafa all the more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭justfortherecor


    Another obvious benefit for United in resting players for the last CL group match is that they wont risk any injuries to their major stars (bar Rooney).

    Tonight will be a full-blooded fixture and could see some crunch tackles. Players can easily pick up knocks or worse in these types of games.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭StickyMcGinty


    Tonight will be a full-blooded fixture and could see some crunch tackles. Players can easily pick up knocks or worse in these types of games.

    exactly what i'm worried about, i can see the ex-liverpool contingent out to prove a point aswell


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    IrishMike wrote: »
    Good point!
    The fact of all the famous wins they have had over the past 3 years when
    the odds were completely stacked against them should of course be
    completely ignored. Point well made !!

    Yes Liverpool really lasted the pace and put up brilliant title challenges over the years didn't they? Oh wait...
    IrishMike wrote:
    Liverpool have the strongest central midfield in the premiership and the second best defense. Who will overwhelm who?
    You have obviously never seen lucas, mascherano or sissoko play.
    As a unit liverpool are the best defensive team in the premiership since
    fat sam left bolton.

    What are you smoking? Tell that to the Reading players. They could be crashing out of Europe very soon by the way.
    IrishMike wrote:
    The top tier must be coming either first or second so if thats the case?
    By that same logic then arsenal must also not be in the top tier.
    Pity as on their day they are the best side in Europe.
    Might email Wenger and break the bad news that being a top 4 side no
    longer qualifies as being in the top tier of the premiership.

    The top tier are those teams that can actually maintain a title challenge. Liverpool always drift away when the going gets tough. The same will happen this season.
    IrishMike wrote:
    Do us all a favour Mr Nice Guy and stop trolling or you will get banned.

    Yes it's trolling to point out Liverpool's inconsistencies and to make a prediction. :rolleyes:

    Will you stop talking utter ****e. I know you're a Liverpool fan and all but still...

    2-0 to United. Bank on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Sissoko getting dropped tonight suggests Rafa won't be playing him on Sunday either.
    So I think we could see two possible line ups,
    a 4-4-2
    with Gerrard and Mascherano in the middle
    Kewell and Yossi on the wings
    Torres and Crouch/Kuyt/Voronin up front

    Or a 4-5-1
    with Lucas and Mascherano deep lying
    Gerrard free role
    Kewell and Yossi/Kuyt on the wings
    Torres up front

    Personally I'd prefer to play against the first, but would be much happier to play in a team with only one defensive midfielder.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005




    I also think Arsenal will lose points against Chelsea, so the chance to close the gap will be there for the taking.


    or open a gap as far as united are concerned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭smemon


    PHB wrote: »
    Personally I'd prefer to play against the first, but would be much happier to play in a team with only one defensive midfielder.

    no way will liverpool go with a 4-4-2 :)

    they'll want to play the high tempo, highly charged game which gets the crowd going at home.

    the only way they can do that is by packing the midfield and winning the ball, moving forward and back as unit.

    what may appear to be a 4-4-2 will end up on the day as a 4-5-1, same with Utd.

    neither will risk it from kick off...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    What are you smoking? Tell that to the Reading players. They could be crashing out of Europe very soon by the way.


    2-0 to United. Bank on it.

    So because we lost 1 game that means we dont have one of the best defences and centre midfield in the premier league? Surely by that logic Bolton have a better attack than United since they beat them a few weeks ago.

    So sure that United win 2-0 put your money where your mouth is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    dunphy is going on some rant about the liverpool team at the moment -

    kuyt - no class
    carragher - slow
    hypia - too slow
    risse - dodgy
    yossi - not good enough to be a top class player
    kewell - he is finished,no threat will make no telling contribution to this game.

    wonder will he be made eat his words, especially about kewell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭herbieflowers


    Ah Dunphy and his Pool rants...remember the one last season or the season before?

    Kewell: too slow
    Cisse: the only one who thinks he worth xmillion is his mother

    etc!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭DaBreno



    wonder will he be made eat his words

    Eamon has eaten his words so many times he could start a new diet craze.

    But we shouldnt mock the afflicted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    I agree with 5 of 6 of those comments, think one is accurate but irrelevent (Carragher. Terry has no pace either, but he gets by), and one is downright silly (Kewell). ALso Yossi isn't gona be a great player, but not every player in your squad is gona be.

    That said, I don't think Dunphy even thinks these things. He's just slating Liverpool so United fans will go, hehe, this is entertaining. He'll do the same thing to Ronaldo tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    well, according to dunphy now, only 2 players would make the united or arsenal or chelsea team, gerrard and torres. and to think, some people had 6 on their united/pool team yesterday.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    well, according to dunphy now, only 2 players would make the united or arsenal or chelsea team, gerrard and torres. and to think, some people had 6 on their united/pool team yesterday.

    Well to be honest, he's a muppet who thinks Rafa signed harry kewell.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Ruskie4Rent


    Melion wrote: »
    Well to be honest, he's a muppet who thinks Rafa signed harry kewell.

    He never said that. He was talking about the players that rafa has signed and added that to the fact that he's still playing kewell who is, in his opinion,not very good.

    The Cheyrou thing is unforgivable though. Do some decent research!!


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    He never said that. He was talking about the players that rafa has signed and added that to the fact that he's still playing kewell who is, in his opinion,not very good.

    The Cheyrou thing is unforgivable though. Do some decent research!!

    He was running through the players Rafa signed and Harry's name was in the middle of them along with Pellegrino, Gonzalez, Josefi(????) etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Ruskie4Rent


    Melion wrote: »
    He was running through the players Rafa signed and Harry's name was in the middle of them along with Pellegrino, Gonzalez, Josefi(????) etc.

    Yes but he never said that rafa bought him, just that he still plays.
    Not defending dunphy.

    Peno!!! looked like a dive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Melion wrote: »
    So because we lost 1 game that means we dont have one of the best defences and centre midfield in the premier league? Surely by that logic Bolton have a better attack than United since they beat them a few weeks ago.

    So sure that United win 2-0 put your money where your mouth is.

    Firstly it was alleged that they have THE BEST central midfield and second best defence which is fanciful to say the least. My logic for my views is not based upon one game but rather Liverpool's form over the past number of seasons.

    Yes United did badly against Bolton and likewise Arsenal did badly against Middlesbrough but these teams have shown the ability to be consistent whereas Liverpool have not.

    And don't worry I intend to put my money where my mouth is. Man Utd beating Liverpool 2-0 is an 11-1 shot at Paddy Power. Too good to pass down. ;)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    Firstly it was alleged that they have THE BEST central midfield and second best defence which is fanciful to say the least. My logic for my views is not based upon one game but rather Liverpool's form over the past number of seasons.

    Yes United did badly against Bolton and likewise Arsenal did badly against Middlesbrough but these teams have shown the ability to be consistent whereas Liverpool have not.

    And don't worry I intend to put my money where my mouth is. Man Utd beating Liverpool 2-0 is an 11-1 shot at Paddy Power. Too good to pass down. ;)

    It is fanciful because i think we have the best defence, not the second best. Why base your opinion on the past seasons, we are a much better team this year than we were 2 years ago. We have a solid defence and dont have to rely on the likes of Traore.

    So United played badly against Bolton, Arsenal against Boro but thats ok. Liverpool play badly against Reading and we're a poor side, confusing.

    Want to just give me the money? Could sort a xmas present out for my nephew ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    Melion wrote: »
    Want to just give me the money? Could sort a xmas present out for my nephew ;)

    you seem very confident considering liverpool aint beaten united in the league in 3 seasons.....and, speaking about money, i hear you still haven't paid up on your CL bet you made last year with one of your mates, a united fan. i was going to bet money wit you until i heard this. money i will never see.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    you seem very confident considering liverpool aint beaten united in the league in 3 seasons.....and, speaking about money, i hear you still haven't paid up on your CL bet you made last year with one of your mates, a united fan.

    Thats because we havent been this good in 3 seasons. And tell my mate that he needs to worry about paying other people the money he owes them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    homerjay-i'll take that bet if its going :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    Firstly it was alleged that they have THE BEST central midfield and second best defence which is fanciful to say the least.

    How is that fanciful may i ask?
    United have leaked 8 goals and Liverpool 9, 3 of which was in their last game.
    This is the second best defence in the league.
    Now please explain to me how this is fanciful?


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 18,115 ✭✭✭✭ShiverinEskimo


    Considering Hyypia has one or two from those 9 technically other teams have only put 7/8 past you. ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    homerjay-i'll take that bet if its going :)

    20 quid?


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