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Liverpool v Man Utd - Sunday 16th December

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    .

    Wife has decided to take herself out of the house on Sat with the kids as she can't stand to be around me the morning of the build up to this one....I'm usually on a different planet

    You might need to have a word with her so, as the match is on Sunday ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Here's what'll happen -

    1. Ronaldo will dive for a peno then pick himself up and score it.
    2. Rio will be first man over to celebrate, jumping on Ronny's back
    3. Gerrard will score a free kick for 1-1
    4. Reina will drop a clanger for 1-2
    5. Kewell will pull a hammy
    6. Evra will get chopped and claim he's being picked on
    7. Sissoko will hit the corner flag with a shot
    8. People will forget Voronin is playing
    9. Pool will somehow equalise
    10.Carragher will throw himself in front of everything to preserve a point

    and finally.....

    11. John O'Shea will nick a winner in the 8th minute of injury time (play having been held up for Kewell's injury)

    Should be good!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    ^^ I see you have matching chips on your shoulder, one for Liverpool and one for Utd, must make it handier to balance yourself and stuff :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Sizzler wrote: »
    ^^ I see you have matching chips on your shoulder, one for Liverpool and one for Utd, must make it handier to balance yourself and stuff :rolleyes:

    Au contraire. I'm actually looking forward to the game. I just wouldn't be surprised if that's how it pans out. Plus they get to take points off each other!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭herbieflowers


    Man U have the ability to score goals from most areas of the pitch, but in saying that it doesn't necessarily mean they're going to outscore the Pool and win...dpends on what system Rafa plays too, if they go for the attack Utd's pace will kill them (Liverpool's noticeable absence of pace etc)...if they try and play a waiting game, patience etc they could well nick it 1-0 and frustrate Man U, still I'd expect Utd's defence to manage, although it could be a crappy header froma corner or something...

    Liverpool's main golascoring threat comes from Torres and Gerrard...setpieces, as always will be vital for both sides...


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Jazzy


    its gonna be 1-0 on a jammy goal.

    to who u ask ? the jammier of course!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭prendy


    Can Torres be stopped by Rio? Yes. The only defender who is really able to match Torres for pace, indeed might be faster than him, also Torres is the style of player Rio is best against.

    LOL have you seen how quick torres is????
    rio is quick but not as quick as torres!

    you also forgot the flip side of your arguments...can rooney and tevez be stoped...yes
    will ronaldo dive...absolutly

    will the game be an absolute let down...probably as with most of the much hyped games involving the top 4!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    We really are due a win against United, and I think we'll get it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    i do agree that Torres is the type of player that Rio does well against but i dont think that he is as fast. What we havent had in the last few years is a striker that sits on the shoulder of the last defender, Torres is that and he is the type of player that can exploit one of Rio's lapses in concentration and get behind the Rio and Vidic.

    we just need our defence on their top game and Riise not to play!! if arbeloa can take care of Ronaldinho maybe he can do the same to Ronaldo, i know different type of player but still i can hope!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,176 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    prendy wrote: »
    LOL have you seen how quick torres is????
    rio is quick but not as quick as torres!

    you also forgot the flip side of your arguments...can rooney and tevez be stoped...yes
    will ronaldo dive...absolutly

    will the game be an absolute let down...probably as with most of the much hyped games involving the top 4!!!!

    I'd hardly call the last few games in the league between the 2 a let down tbh :cool:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    Call_me_al wrote: »
    i do agree that Torres is the type of player that Rio does well against but i dont think that he is as fast. What we havent had in the last few years is a striker that sits on the shoulder of the last defender, Torres is that and he is the type of player that can exploit one of Rio's lapses in concentration and get behind the Rio and Vidic.

    we just need our defence on their top game and Riise not to play!! if arbeloa can take care of Ronaldinho maybe he can do the same to Ronaldo, i know different type of player but still i can hope!!!

    well he took care of Messi, and he is a far superior player to Ronaldo so i'm not worried.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    PHB wrote: »
    Can Torres be stopped by Rio? Yes. The only defender who is really able to match Torres for pace, indeed might be faster than him, also Torres is the style of player Rio is best against.

    Ha you serious? Richards is quicker than Rio, as is Distin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    I have watched a lot of Torres. Rio is one, if not the, fastest central defenders in the premiership, infact the only ones I can think who matches him for pace is Gallas and Richards. His pace and acceleration is his greatest attribute. Have you ever seen him beaten for pace?

    Can Rooney and Tevez be stopped? They haven't yet :) I don't think a weakened Liverpool defence is gona make it very easier
    Will Ronaldo dive? Maybe, but I don't think that means he can be stopped by Arbeloa :) He will have to be double marked, as he always is. But this will in turn give more space to Tevez and Rooney.

    This is not to mention the fact that Liverpool will be playing a full strength team on Tuesday, while United will rest every player playing in the Liverpool game.

    I think all of these things will lead to Rafa trying to play a very defensive game, looking for a draw or to nick a win. I think if that happens, United will be able to break them down. Hargreaves-Ferdinand and Vidic will be pretty much able to mark Gerrard and Torres, which I think they can do. Liverpools wingers are not their main threat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,176 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    It's hard to tell who has more pace, some players use their pace to so much effect(Henry) that they look the fastest player in the world, when they aren't even the fastest in their squad.

    One thing that shocked me before, Fergusons 1st Prem champions team, Pallister was the fastest player in that squad


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    This will be a very tight game in which liverpool will try and outmuscle Utd.

    They can do it but I don't know if they will.

    Utd's attack is amazing against poor teams who afford them too much space. If Utd fans think this is going to be the case they're seriously mistaken. Also if you think Ronaldo is going to get one on one with Hypia you're mistaken. Liverpools back four and Mascherano will probably not pass the halfway line.

    I expect to see a game very similar to last year, maybe one goal in the difference. Torres could be the key but he's not guaranteed to score as some here seem to think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    PHB wrote: »
    Will Ronaldo dive? Maybe, but I don't think that means he can be stopped by Arbeloa :)
    .
    .
    This is not to mention the fact that Liverpool will be playing a full strength team on Tuesday, while United will rest every player playing in the Liverpool game.
    .
    .

    I dont see why he cant take care of Ronaldo whether he dives or not. i dont think he will be double marked unless both Riise and Arbeloa play on the left side.

    I dont think us playing on Tuesday should make a difference, if professional players cant give 100% for 180 minutes over 6 days it's ridiculous. as Ian Holloway said he played twice every sat and once again every sunday from under 10s up to under 16s or so, it shouldnt be too tough for these players and training will be reorganised to ensure the players are ready.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    PHB wrote: »
    I have watched a lot of Torres. Rio is one, if not the, fastest central defenders in the premiership, infact the only ones I can think who matches him for pace is Gallas and Richards. His pace and acceleration is his greatest attribute. Have you ever seen him beaten for pace?

    Can Rooney and Tevez be stopped? They haven't yet :) I don't think a weakened Liverpool defence is gona make it very easier
    Will Ronaldo dive? Maybe, but I don't think that means he can be stopped by Arbeloa :) He will have to be double marked, as he always is. But this will in turn give more space to Tevez and Rooney.

    This is not to mention the fact that Liverpool will be playing a full strength team on Tuesday, while United will rest every player playing in the Liverpool game.

    I think all of these things will lead to Rafa trying to play a very defensive game, looking for a draw or to nick a win. I think if that happens, United will be able to break them down. Hargreaves-Ferdinand and Vidic will be pretty much able to mark Gerrard and Torres, which I think they can do. Liverpools wingers are not their main threat.

    your so wrong it's not even funny. Despite his reputation, Rafa has almost never gone into a big game and set his team out to play defensively. We went to the Nou Camp last year and had a go and that is a much scarier proposition than United at home. United are a good team, but we have no reason to fear them, especially at Anfield. We've outplayed you in our last couple of home matches, and I see no reason why we can't do the same again. I know United are stronger now than they were then, but so are we.
    I have never seen Rafa play Defensively at home in a big match, certainly not in the last couple of years. The arsenal match may have looked that way, but that was just because we couldn't get the ball. Chelsea, Juventus Barcelona are just three examples.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    I predict a Manchester United win. I think they will win by two goals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,404 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    PHB wrote:

    This is not to mention the fact that Liverpool will be playing a full strength team on Tuesday, while United will rest every player playing in the Liverpool game.

    I don't think this will impact on us in any way from a fitness point of view to be honest. They're professional athletes and they have 4 full days of recovery time. They'll probably fly home on the tuesday night and have some very light training on wednesday, then its pretty much business as usual for thursday and friday with another light one on saturday.

    If anything a decent win in Merseille could be the perfect intro for this game, as id rather not be going into it on the back of the reading defeat. A good win would send them into the ManU game on a high, full of confidence. On the other hand of course, a bad result could have consequences. A player like Torres for example who has always wanted top level european competition couldn't help but be down in the dumps that his first taste of it was such a disappointment if they go out of it on tuesday night.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭prendy


    i would like to see riise play but at left midfield.he can attack but also double up on ronaldo. also i think mascherano has to be on top form to stop their midfield going forward.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    prendy wrote: »
    i would like to see riise play but at left midfield.he can attack but also double up on ronaldo. also i think mascherano has to be on top form to stop their midfield going forward.

    Riise can attack?

    And honestly, Kewell would do a better job marking Ronaldo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭Attractive Nun


    Riise can shoot from the touchline 60 yards out and get within 20-25 yards of the crossbar. That's sort of attacking, I guess.

    But anyway I am not so confident about a United win. So long as Hargreaves plays, I'd be fairly confident that we can contain Liverpool's attack, but with Mascherano and the back 4 undoubtedly going to have instructions to get tight on anything coming from the attacking end of United's midfield, I'd worry where the goals will come from. I doubt Tevez or Rooney will get space, and I think it's too soon to be relying on Anderson to create anything. If ever a game was set up for Ronaldo, this is it however. He's coming into good form, and Liverpool are not as strong out wide as they are in the middle. If he gets any chance to run at Hyypia or Carragher, I think he could get some joy, but he could well be double marked out of the game.

    That said, I predict that United will have the majority of attacking possession despite it being at Anfield, and you can always nick a goal with that being the case. I'll predict a cagey draw, leaning towards a cagey United win.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,392 ✭✭✭✭kaimera


    I can see JoS coming off the bench again to settle the game. :(

    I'm somewhat confident we can beat Utd but it's hard to know with Rafa who'll start.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭smemon


    Man for man, Utd have the better 11 - no doubt about it. liverpool edge it in the defensive side of things, but in midfield and attack, utd have the better players.

    Utd are also in form, and with the gap now just 1 point at the top, they're not under as much pressure as the pool are.

    Had liverpool not lost at the weekend, i would have said both sides would take a draw. But *should* liverpool happen to go out in the CL, all of a sudden this match takes on huge importance and benetiz's head will be on the chopping board.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    Centre of midfield is where this will be won.
    If hargreaves doesnt play theres no way that anderson and carrick will be able to match
    whatever midfield combo that Liverpool play whether it be gerrard-mascherano
    or even mascherano-sissoko-gerrard.
    Liverpool will win the centre midfield battle, united will win the battle on the wings
    Its a case of which strikers play better on the day as both sides will have chances.
    Hard to call, Liverpool will win if carrick plays imho.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Sizzler wrote: »
    You might need to have a word with her so, as the match is on Sunday ;)

    oh rollox


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭AdrianII


    smemon wrote: »
    Man for man, Utd have the better 11 - no doubt about it. liverpool edge it in the defensive side of things, but in midfield and attack, utd have the better players.

    Rubbish.

    Reina, Finnan, Carra, Agger, Arbeloa, Gerrard, Mascherano, Sissoko, Babel, Kewell,Torres

    is as good as or if not better than utds first 11

    Being a Pool fan, im used to listening to everyone under estimate us, in one ear out the other, let the men in red at the weekend do the talking for us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    AdrianII wrote: »
    Rubbish.

    Reina, Finnan, Carra, Agger, Arbeloa, Gerrard, Mascherano, Sissoko, Babel, Kewell,Torres

    is as good as or if not better than utds first 11

    Being a Pool fan, im used to listening to everyone under estimate us, in one ear out the other, let the men in red at the weekend do the talking for us.

    As a liverpool fan, I have to say that United's starting xi is stronger, especially in the front 4, where i'd imagine only Torres would get in their team. But, football can be won and lost in midfield, and I think we're stronger than them there, even without Xabi.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,404 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Ideally i'd like to see Masch Gerrard Kewell and Lucas all playing, but Rafa will probably opt for Momo over Lucas. Never know though.

    Would go for Torres and Kuyt up front. Kuyt throughout his career has had his best games in 'derby' style games. He also adds more if he's having a bad game then Crouch does when he's on bad form. Could be very ugly football if both Momo and Crouch play as well. Benayoun could be an interesting partner for Torres as well.

    Babel definately saved for his impressive substitute performances, give him a good 30 or 35mins if possible.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Anderson is much better than the Liverpool posters seem to think.


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