243 for fox

airy-fairy

Hi all,

I have been shooting .22 for a few years now and was going to apply for a 2nd rifle in .243 for fox (Was thinking .243 so that I could go on to deer in the future if I get a licence for that).

In general how to the Gardai look on 243 for fox?

Cheers,
AF

johnfaul

i dont think .243 is legal for foxes it is usually the .223 but i stand corrected on this:)

E. Fudd

It's not that it isn't legal, it's just you will find it hard to justify getting a .243 rifle solely for fox shooting!
Why don't you try to get a deer hunting permit before applying for it. You'll need letters of permission to shoot deer on land where there is deer exsistent, it's free and you should have it in about a month. Then you'll be all set to shoot deer aswell.

Mellor

If you have a .243 for Deer, its it acceptable to use it for Foxes too, is there any reason not to?

kerryman12

not that i know of just select ammo to suit

E. Fudd

Of course theres no reason not to. But he will have hassle getting an fac for a 243 solely for fox shooting.

airy-fairy

Thanks for the responses.

I have letters of permission from two farmers with deer on their land. I have talked to the ranger and the application should be with him next week. Rather than waiting for the deer license to come first I was hoping to fast track the rifle license to give me a chance of getting out before the season closed this year.

But I can practice on the foxes before September if not. I have heard great things about 55gr v-max for foxes from the .243.

All the best.
AF

sounder

there is nothing stopping u shooting with a 243 but got at get the deer cert to i know i said i would not post here again but i can't resist, here's last nite delete if ye want:D

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bogteal

well done sounder there will not be a fox left for the christmas, think about the rest of us poor hunters.

johnfaul

good shooting sounder:)

airy-fairy

that's a mighty bag of foxes!

Does the moderator reduce the BANG a lot? Not that anyone would have notice in the howling wind last night!
AF

sounder

bogteal wrote: »

well done sounder there will not be a fox left for the christmas, think about the rest of us poor hunters.

i am thinking of u i shot one in your back garden:D

sounder

airy-fairy wrote: »

that's a mighty bag of foxes!

Does the moderator reduce the BANG a lot? Not that anyone would have notice in the howling wind last night!
AF

ya shot 2 in same field.i have the t8 mod

kerryman12

thats a good result, what did it set you back?

kerryman12

the moderator i mean

sounder

kerryman12 wrote: »

the moderator i mean

350 fitted it adds abit of weight to the front of the gun but it worth it.you need to get a perment for it to from the super

kerryman12

yea i know about the letter, but need to get one next year as the rifle makes a fare crack when fired. not the thing for night shooting.

but it must be effective if you got two in the one field. is it easy to strip down any clean?

sounder

kerryman12 wrote: »

yea i know about the letter, but need to get one next year as the rifle makes a fare crack when fired. not the thing for night shooting.

but it must be effective if you got two in the one field. is it easy to strip down any clean?

you don't strip this one down well u can't its like women maintinance free

kerryman12

:D:D

yea i think not..........

sounder

kerryman12 wrote: »

:D:D

yea i think not..........

when she 50+ ha:D

kerryman12

was looking at the new t10 but think they were recalled due to issues with the materials used

sounder

kerryman12 wrote: »

was looking at the new t10 but think they were recalled due to issues with the materials used

there is another one there a a-tec one it as good and it the same as the t8 but it can be striped cheers sounder

.243

or a pes moderator,stainless,strippable and no rusting problems

kerryman12

stainless sounds like a good idea must look into that a bit - prices etc
might be heavy though if I remember correctly the T10 used aluminium to cut down on weight

sounder

kerryman12 wrote: »

stainless sounds like a good idea must look into that a bit - prices etc
might be heavy though if I remember correctly the T10 used aluminium to cut down on weight

youb pay for what you get in this country

.243

the stainless pes weighs about the same as a reflex

kerryman12

anyone have any idea on price?

sounder

kerryman12 wrote: »

anyone have any idea on price?

t8 350 fitted that all i know sorry

kerryman12

thanks for the info sounder need to price around

Gerri

sounder wrote: »

there is nothing stopping u shooting with a 243 but got at get the deer cert to i know i said i would not post here again but i can't resist, here's last nite delete if ye want:D

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That's a long legged rabbit under the rifle,right? 'Cos nobody would be dumb enough to shoot a hare illegally with a rifle and then post the pic on boards.ie, would they? If it WAS a hare, it would'nt have been shot at night using a lamp because that would be illegal also,right? So it MUST be a rabbit.

sounder

yes it is a hare it was killed on the lamp by my lurcher not shot i bring my lurcher
with me shooting to find or kill fox's that are not hit right not like ye shower of **** that do think ye know it all ye want to give up talking **** this is a hunting thread cheers sounder

E. Fudd

Maybe it was a bit silly to picture the hare beside the rifle if your lurcher killed it. He does have a point Sounder, don't think there was any need for the obscenities, even if you did blank them out.

BryanL

it's more sensible to for guys to point out what they may think is, ill eagle, via PM

Gerri

sounder wrote: »

yes it is a hare it was killed on the lamp by my lurcher not shot i bring my lurcher
with me shooting to find or kill fox's that are not hit right not like ye shower of **** that do think ye know it all ye want to give up talking **** this is a hunting thread cheers sounder

Still think it's ok? Section 38 Wildlife Act;

Use of lamps, mirrors etc. in hunting prohibited. 38.—Any person who uses any lamp, light, torch, mirror or other artificial light-reflecting or dazzling device or appliance in hunting any protected wild bird or protected wild animal, otherwise than while either—

[GA] ( a ) attaching thereto any band, ring, tag or other marking device, or

[GA] ( b ) hunting for educational or scientific purposes.

[GA] pursuant to and in accordance with a licence granted under this Act by the Minister, shall be guilty of an offence.

Question from ISPCA website;
Can a person hunting a protected wild bird or animal use a lamp, mirror, light, torch or other artificial light - reflecting or dazzling device or appliance?

No, Section 38 prohibits the use of the aforesaid unless they attach a "band, ring, tag, or other marking device to the same or are hunting for scientific or educational purposes pursuant to a licence issued by the Minister."

It would be smarter if people would think before posting pics, comments, instead of hurling abuse at posters who try to provide solid information for those with an interest in hunting legally. Sending sounder a PM would not provide factual information to others who may be under the impression that what he did was legal. Sorry if you are upset by my comments but your behaviour makes it easier for the ICBS and other Anti's to condemn our sport, so I am sure you will apologise to me for your abuse and ensure that your future lamping/hunting activities are strictly legal. Thanks.

P.S. I am not a know all, but it would be clear to most hunters that what was in the pic was illegal. Might be a good idea to remove the pic.

BryanL

pursuant to and in accordance with a licence granted under this Act by the Minister, shall be guilty of an offence.


the farmer of any land can apply to the minister for said licence which is then issued to a named person/s for a specified time period(not confined to seasons) and location. this licence can also provide for the use of a lamp.
it is normally issued where an animal/s are causing damage and most frequently for deer and hares! you dim wit. there is no need to be getting your information from the ISPCA sites. the had a flyer in Cork saying that badger digging was legal!!!! until i pointed it out to them.
the icbs and other antis comdemn us out of hand they are not concerned about seasons,lamps,predator control etc.
the first survey into the Irish hare showed a healty population and also commented on the benifits of predator control.
i think Sounders picture shows that he is doing his bit for Irish wildlife and his previous pictures show he is also of benefit to the farmers on who's land he hunts.
hurling abuse?how thin is your skin man? that just friendly banter
Bryan

foxhunter

BryanL wrote: »

pursuant to and in accordance with a licence granted under this Act by the Minister, shall be guilty of an offence.


the farmer of any land can apply to the minister for said licence which is then issued to a named person/s for a specified time period(not confined to seasons) and location. this licence can also provide for the use of a lamp.
it is normally issued where an animal/s are causing damage and most frequently for deer and hares! you dim wit. there is no need to be getting your information from the ISPCA sites. the had a flyer in Cork saying that badger digging was legal!!!! until i pointed it out to them.
the icbs and other antis comdemn us out of hand they are not concerned about seasons,lamps,predator control etc.
the first survey into the Irish hare showed a healty population and also commented on the benifits of predator control.
i think Sounders picture shows that he is doing his bit for Irish wildlife and his previous pictures show he is also of benefit to the farmers on who's land he hunts.
hurling abuse?how thin is your skin man? that just friendly banter
Bryan

Very well said.

meathstevie

And by the way Gerri, your interpretation of that bit of legislation is completely off : foxes are vermin not a protected wild animal.

The hare indeed is unfortunate but as long as Sounder didn't let the lurcher of the lead on purpose to go after the hare unfortunate is as far as it goes. Wouldn't be the first time a walkers' dog upsets a brooding pheasant either for example. This one, and I think we can take Sounder's word for that, is exactly that sort of unfortunate incident.

Rovi

Right, let's all calm down.
Infractions have been administered for the inappropriate language and personal abuse that has crept into this thread, let this be an end to it.

On the subject of the picture, I'm willing to accept sounder's account of how the hare was killed, but I question the probity of posting a picture that is so open to misinterpretation.
It was indeed deeply unfortunate that the lurcher was able to get to the hare in the scant few seconds the lamp was on it before the lamper identified it as a protected species and switched the lamp off or moved it elsewhere.

I'll leave the picture for the moment, but I'll ask everyone to consider the content of their pictures before posting them in future.

sounder

and what about us yes us hunters ye are quick to pull us on thing that antis say but whats stopping anti makeing fault allegations on what i did just by looking at a photo that wrong to and i don't see mod stopping that this is a hunting thread not a anti-hunting thread.my dog was not in the photo because
he had his job done.where do ye stand as mod on this.sounder

Gerri

BryanL wrote: »

pursuant to and in accordance with a licence granted under this Act by the Minister, shall be guilty of an offence.


the farmer of any land can apply to the minister for said licence which is then issued to a named person/s for a specified time period(not confined to seasons) and location. this licence can also provide for the use of a lamp.
it is normally issued where an animal/s are causing damage and most frequently for deer and hares! you dim wit. there is no need to be getting your information from the ISPCA sites. the had a flyer in Cork saying that badger digging was legal!!!! until i pointed it out to them.
the icbs and other antis comdemn us out of hand they are not concerned about seasons,lamps,predator control etc.
the first survey into the Irish hare showed a healty population and also commented on the benifits of predator control.
i think Sounders picture shows that he is doing his bit for Irish wildlife and his previous pictures show he is also of benefit to the farmers on who's land he hunts.
hurling abuse?how thin is your skin man? that just friendly banter
Bryan

Piles of assumptions there Bryan. My post was intended to point out that the use of the lamp on the hare was illegal, no difficulties with the foxes. Incidentally , disturbing protected mammals with a lamp is also an offence.The info was from the Wildlife Act, I just included the ISPCA question. No problem with hares being hunted, just prefer to see legal methods used, that's all.

Thin skinned, not at all, don't particularly like someone spouting off at me. Possible that you are correct on the ICBS and Antis but why feed them? Please explain to me and others what exactly is gained by showing pics like that and how does it promote a positive image of hunters?

Does it ever occur to anyone who posts on boards that difficulties experienced by some shooters in obtaining licences in some areas may be down to the tone of some of these threads? No doubt this would be denied by Gardai if asked but it could be connected. Good to see that reasonable debate and discussion hasn't reached the shooting forum and that people still seem to have a need to name call people who have differing views to theirs, sorry to disappoint Bryan but I am not a dimwit, just someone who gets a little annoyed when silly things are posted here. Oh, by the way I would prefer if any replies to this didn't include any "friendly banter". I still think the pic should be deleted as it does nothing positive for the image of hunters.

Gerri

meathstevie wrote: »

And by the way Gerri, your interpretation of that bit of legislation is completely off : foxes are vermin not a protected wild animal.

The hare indeed is unfortunate but as long as Sounder didn't let the lurcher of the lead on purpose to go after the hare unfortunate is as far as it goes. Wouldn't be the first time a walkers' dog upsets a brooding pheasant either for example. This one, and I think we can take Sounder's word for that, is exactly that sort of unfortunate incident.

Never implied that foxes were protected so I am not "completely off". Perhaps you should consider , if what you say is true, the wisdom of including the hare in the picture? I also fail to see why "we" should take sounders word for what happened, I don't know him other than from posting here and he seems quite abusive, at least towards me, and all I did was give an opinion on one of his posts.

Mellor

Gerri wrote: »

the wisdom of including the hare in the picture?

Well, he he removed the hare in photoshop or similar, then a hare shaped blank area would look far more suspect, and nobody would believe him would they
"if it was the dog, why did you try hide it" etc

Rovi

sounder wrote: »

and what about us yes us hunters ye are quick to pull us on thing that antis say but whats stopping anti makeing fault allegations on what i did just by looking at a photo that wrong to and i don't see mod stopping that this is a hunting thread not a anti-hunting thread.my dog was not in the photo because
he had his job done.where do ye stand as mod on this.sounder

You posted a picture of a bloodied hare under a rifle without any further information, except for the statement: "here's last nite".
Are you seriously suggesting that everyone is supposed to somehow know that the hare wasn't in fact shot with the rifle, and actually it was the dog did it?
I strongly suspect that, given the absence of any other information or explanation, everyone (except yourself) who looked at the picture naturally assumed that the hare was shot in the same way as the foxes were shot.

Given that hares are a protected species, I fail to see how you're surprised at getting negative feedback.


Yes, this is a 'hunting' forum, and as such, is something of a safe haven here on Boards.ie for hunters and field sports enthusiasts; it is also a PUBLIC forum, and it behoves everyone to remember that.


Finally sounder, can I please ask you to use some capital letters, punctuation marks, and spaces in your posts; some of them can be tough enough to interpret?

sounder

Rovi wrote: »

You posted a picture of a bloodied hare under a rifle without any further information, except for the statement: "here's last nite".
Are you seriously suggesting that everyone is supposed to somehow know that the hare wasn't in fact shot with the rifle, and actually it was the dog did it?
I strongly suspect that, given the absence of any other information or explanation, everyone (except yourself) who looked at the picture naturally assumed that the hare was shot in the same way as the foxes were shot.

Given that hares are a protected species, I fail to see how you're surprised at getting negative feedback.


Yes, this is a 'hunting' forum, and as such, is something of a safe haven here on Boards.ie for hunters and field sports enthusiasts; it is also a PUBLIC forum, and it behoves everyone to remember that.


Finally sounder, can I please ask you to use some capital letters, punctuation marks, and spaces in your posts; some of them can be tough enough to interpret?

wil u please remove me from this board as i think it a joke
and ye can all **** off thanks sounder

rrpc

sounder wrote: »

wil u please remove me from this board as i think it a joke
and ye can all **** off thanks sounder

The option is there for you to remove yourself sounder. Nobody's forcing you to post here.

Rovi

sounder wrote: »

wil u please remove me from this board as i think it a joke
and ye can all **** off thanks sounder

Fair enough, banned.

johnfaul

give ye all not just give him a break can ye all not just take sounders word for it he says it was his dog and i believe him

It wasn't me!

From when he said it, it was no longer suggested that he shot it. That has little to do with what subsequently happened.